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carnation 01-19-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PNMmom18 (Post 2472824)
Right no invitation to preference, I am sorry I must have worded it wrong. Still I thought that was impossible?

No, you can be cut totally at any stage before Bid Day.

BBH 01-19-2020 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PNMmom18 (Post 2472823)
Sorority and Fraternity Life - Indiana University for Parents

Didn’t know about that page. Just scrolled through it.

APhi2KD 01-19-2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 95SisterMom19 (Post 2472801)
Why are some of these "top tier" houses playing into this game of being proud of their rank when it's based on the men they are associated with vs what THEY as a group of women bring to the table?!?!?! I know this is the exact opposite of what the founding women of my sorority (and I'm sure ALL of the other 21 on campus) would want their organizations "rank" to be based upon.

It is DISGUSTING to me that holding on to their perceived status is more important to IU NPC houses. All of the power is in the hands of 18-22 yr old ‘boys’ and what they “value” in a group women. So the houses do everything but pimp their members out. (And that’s optimistic.)

Lottery, lottery, lottery—with severe punishments for non-participation.

IUMomof2 01-19-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by APhi2KD (Post 2472833)
It is DISGUSTING to me that holding on to their perceived status is more important to IU NPC houses. All of the power is in the hands of 18-22 yr old ‘boys’ and what they “value” in a group women. So the houses do everything but pimp their members out. (And that’s optimistic.)

Lottery, lottery, lottery—with severe punishments for non-participation.

No kidding. Hurray for female empowerment.

Last year I browsed that stupid site. My dd ended up pledging one of the "lower" ranked chapters. What was said about that chapter by both males and females on that site (I won't refer to them as men and women...they don't deserve it) was disgusting. The women at my dd's chapter are wonderful. I'm glad to have her associated with them.

But unfortunately, this goes beyond the IU Greek system. Pretty much reflective of society sad to say. :(

I have been watching the FB page and commenting a bit. There are some sad mommas on the page right now and I can relate. I was there last year. And I don't think anything anyone said could have made me feel better. Hopefully everyone comes out stronger on the other end and knows themselves a bit better.

BBH 01-19-2020 06:42 PM

I saw a few comments about a chapter passing notes to the PNM, I thought that was against the rules?

FSUZeta 01-19-2020 07:54 PM

It's possible. It is ordinarily if you attend pref parties and list all chapters where you attended pref, that you will receive a bid.

IUmom20 01-20-2020 12:08 AM

Hey all! Mom of a rushing freshman this year. Round one was a shock, but she was happy with some options. Then round two was a major shock and lots of tears, but she regrouped and reassessed her list (kudos to the rho gam for getting the girls their lists hours before the first party. Lots of time to cry it out and gather themselves.). Really enjoyed one of her sisterhood houses. Got Two invites to preference round. Loves one, is borderline with second. But her rho gam (who is very invested in her group) encouraged her to put both down. I personally would have encouraged her to suicide so if she didn’t get the bid to her first choice (which was originally in her top 5 during 22 round) then she could have been eligible for informal. But it isn’t my process or experience and she and the rho gam made the decision together. Cheers to trusting the process. Praying it works out.

Also praying for those poor mamas who have devastated daughters without invitations.
I read that on the fb page also.

I’ve been a stalker, and have enjoyed your comments.

ivyrose2 01-20-2020 12:59 AM

Cheers IUmom20 and glad you posted! Glad to hear that your daughter's rho gam was helpful! Best to you and welcome to the group!

33girl 01-20-2020 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BBH (Post 2472835)
I saw a few comments about a chapter passing notes to the PNM, I thought that was against the rules?

In what context?

BBH 01-20-2020 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2472847)
In what context?

On the FB page, one PNM didn’t get any houses back for pref, the mom posted that an active sent her a note after a round that said they really liked her implying that she would be invited back. It sounded like the PNM was being told she’d be invited back and then was cut.

Anyone can join the FB group, just send the request to the admin.

FSUZeta 01-20-2020 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BBH (Post 2472849)
On the FB page, one PNM didn’t get any houses back for pref, the mom posted that an active sent her a note after a round that said they really liked her implying that she would be invited back. It sounded like the PNM was being told she’d be invited back and then was cut.

Anyone can join the FB group, just send the request to the admin.

That is dirty rushing. I would encourage your daughter to think about turning that chapter in.

ivyrose2 01-20-2020 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PNMmom18 (Post 2472824)
Right no invitation to preference, I am sorry I must have worded it wrong. Still I thought that was impossible?

I'm not an expert on this by far, but seems to me like it would be very difficult to end up with no parties at the end when there are houses that are struggling to make quota, IF you are listing EVERY house you are invited back to EACH time. I would think it is more likely that the PMN with no houses at the end chose to list only certain houses at some point (which, I would think, her rho gam would advise against). I am also thinking that a PMN who actually maximized options at every round would be helped by her rho gam at this point to be available for a snap bid if she was open to it? Of course, I am not talking about someone who may have been eliminated due to negative behavior, making negative comments about houses, or a rush infraction.

80sHoosier 01-20-2020 09:03 AM

I think it is possible to end up with no invites to preference. One way would be to be released by every sorority. Based on what my daughter knew of other's invites two years ago when she went through, I'd say this does not happen often. It seemed like the PNM's in her group at least had one of the two chapters back that are lower performing in formal recruitment. But I'm sure there are some PNMs that get released by every sorority.

But another way it could happen is if after the open house round the PNM ranks these sororities last, ends up with a full plate of 16 sororities back which excludes say the 3 or 4 weakest recruiting sororities. However, over the course of philanthropy and sisterhood, this PNM gets released by all the other sororities she had at 16. No invites left for Preference.

ivyrose2 01-20-2020 09:12 AM

If someone was a "faithful PMN" would the system assist her to make herself open to a snap bid? Again, assuming there are still chapters out there who are not making quota at the end of recruitment.

33girl 01-20-2020 09:27 AM

She’ll be on the list of women who have not received bids, yes.

While there is a quota, there is still no chapter total, so if a chapter had approval from its HQ to take quota +200, they could. Obviously this won’t happen, but just pointing out that IU is still not running rush the way they should be.

IUmom20 01-20-2020 09:42 AM

I thought the same thing about was it even possible to be dropped by all? My daughter said her rho gam explained it. Yes, if you only got back well established houses during 9 round, and none of the newer houses who struggle a bit more, then it’s possible to be cit by all. I’m devastated for those girls and their moms. I can’t imagine. My daughter’s recruitment has been difficult, but at least her preference round included two of the newer chapters on campus and one that she feels will be a great fit. It only takes one. And these poor girls don’t even have that option. My heart breaks for the all

80sHoosier 01-20-2020 09:57 AM

This almost happened to me back in the 80s. I returned to all but one of my top choices between 18 and 12, so I had eliminated 5 of the weaker sororities. By the time I got to Preference, I only had 1 invite, but luckily one I was very happy with and received a bid. But I could have easily received no invites. This was much more common back in the 80s. With RFM, it is supposed to push you down more quickly to chapters that are realistic for the PNM. But I'm sure sometimes the numbers just don't work out right.

carnation 01-20-2020 10:20 AM

That has happened to several women we know who rushed at SEC schools. They said that had they known it was a possibility, they would have ranked several "middle" chapters that they liked up at the top instead of choosing all campus powerhouses.

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2020 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 80sHoosier (Post 2472853)
But another way it could happen is if after the open house round the PNM ranks these sororities last, ends up with a full plate of 16 sororities back which excludes say the 3 or 4 weakest recruiting sororities. However, over the course of philanthropy and sisterhood, this PNM gets released by all the other sororities she had at 16. No invites left for Preference.

This is exactly what happens. A PNM ranks the stereotypical "top" 16 chapters, gets them back and does the same thing each round until preference when she receives no invitations back. This happened to a girl in my dorm when I went through. She ended up picking up an informal bid about two weeks after bid day to a very solid middle chapter she ranked low after first invitational. A girl from her hometown helped her out when a pledge dropped out due to finances and made a last minute spot available.

IUMomof2 01-20-2020 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2472861)
This is exactly what happens. A PNM ranks the stereotypical "top" 16 chapters, gets them back and does the same thing each round until preference when she receives no invitations back. This happened to a girl in my dorm when I went through. She ended up picking up an informal bid about two weeks after bid day to a very solid middle chapter she ranked low after first invitational. A girl from her hometown helped her out when a pledge dropped out due to finances and made a last minute spot available.

I'm really struggling with the desire to post something on the FB page regarding this, at least, something touching on this. There are several parents posting about their daughters going single intentional preference after preference night. And they are using phrases like "my daughter just didn't feel a connection at the other houses," or "she got cut from all her top choices." Well, that means that if they don't get a bid, it's because they completely discounted the chapters that DID ask them back.

I'm speaking from experience, because last year my dd was cut from all but 2 chapters after 2nd round. She was devastated and dropped. And it wasn't that she wasn't willing to consider the 2 chapters, it's really that after being told that all but 20 chapters didn't want her (including 2 legacies), it was just too much for her to pull herself together and go to those two chapters for sisterhood round. I supported her decision.

The next week, she was offered two snap bids, one from each chapter that had originally invited her back for sisterhood rounds. She and I talked about it quite a bit. There was one chapter that throughout the process she never felt connected to, although she thought the women were nice enough. The other one, she realized, she really liked the women and the "atmosphere" of the group. But they were the one unhoused chapter at the time. At to be fair, I think the majority of the PNMs see themselves living in a sorority house as part of their sorority experience. I think that's reasonable, especially given that's the norm at IU. However, once she had time to reflect and think about why she had gone through rush in the first place, she decided to give this chapter a chance. She accepted her bid and was able to participate in bid night.

All this to say, I think a lot of parents of current PNMs might have an unrealistic expectation of what their daughters' choices are actually going to be if they dropped, or SIPed because they didn't like their invites. In all honesty, the chapters that offer snap bids or participate in informal spring recruitment, are most likely going to be the chapters that they "didn't feel a connection to." I mean seriously, if you low ball the numbers, you are looking at about 1100 spots available (rough estimate based on 50 PNMs in a pledge class for 22 chapters). I saw somewhere that 1800 women rushed this year? So how will there be 2-3 chapters that don't make quota?

I've heard people refer to some of these chapters as "being willing to take anyone." First of all, not true. Secondly, if the game being played is "I want to be in an exclusive chapter," then sadly, someone has to be on the losing end of that. My daughter likes the idea of how accepting her sisters of all women who come through the doors. And that's not to put down ANY of the other chapters. They are not responsible for women choosing to drop if they can't make it a certain chapter. But when it comes down to it, the price of exclusivity is sometimes you're the one excluded, and that never feels good.

I just hope that the PNMs that don't find a home during formal rush give some of the other often overlooked chapters a chance. There are some AMAZING women doing AMAZING things there.

ivyrose2 01-20-2020 12:05 PM

Good to hear that there are some from this thread that are also in the FB group. Hopefully, the information on that site was not biased and was supportive of the process and encouraging to the PMN's. Sometimes you just have to hear "It's going to be OK-continue on!" "There is a larger greek community out there and we all come from different groups but we are all sisters in the Panhellenic process!!"

I am also curious as to how the FB group was promoted and advertised, as so many parents ended up there. Again, hoping the information was not biased. This forum is open, moderated by several, and a mixture of greek members from different organizations.

ForeverRoses 01-20-2020 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by IUMomof2 (Post 2472862)
I'm really struggling with the desire to post something on the FB page regarding this, at least, something touching on this. There are several parents posting about their daughters going single intentional preference after preference night. And they are using phrases like "my daughter just didn't feel a connection at the other houses," or "she got cut from all her top choices." Well, that means that if they don't get a bid, it's because they completely discounted the chapters that DID ask them back.

I'm speaking from experience, because last year my dd was cut from all but 2 chapters after 2nd round. She was devastated and dropped. And it wasn't that she wasn't willing to consider the 2 chapters, it's really that after being told that all but 20 chapters didn't want her (including 2 legacies), it was just too much for her to pull herself together and go to those two chapters for sisterhood round. I supported her decision.

The next week, she was offered two snap bids, one from each chapter that had originally invited her back for sisterhood rounds. She and I talked about it quite a bit. There was one chapter that throughout the process she never felt connected to, although she thought the women were nice enough. The other one, she realized, she really liked the women and the "atmosphere" of the group. But they were the one unhoused chapter at the time. At to be fair, I think the majority of the PNMs see themselves living in a sorority house as part of their sorority experience. I think that's reasonable, especially given that's the norm at IU. However, once she had time to reflect and think about why she had gone through rush in the first place, she decided to give this chapter a chance. She accepted her bid and was able to participate in bid night.

All this to say, I think a lot of parents of current PNMs might have an unrealistic expectation of what their daughters' choices are actually going to be if they dropped, or SIPed because they didn't like their invites. In all honesty, the chapters that offer snap bids or participate in informal spring recruitment, are most likely going to be the chapters that they "didn't feel a connection to." I mean seriously, if you low ball the numbers, you are looking at about 1100 spots available (rough estimate based on 50 PNMs in a pledge class for 22 chapters). I saw somewhere that 1800 women rushed this year? So how will there be 2-3 chapters that don't make quota?

I've heard people refer to some of these chapters as "being willing to take anyone." First of all, not true. Secondly, if the game being played is "I want to be in an exclusive chapter," then sadly, someone has to be on the losing end of that. My daughter likes the idea of how accepting her sisters of all women who come through the doors. And that's not to put down ANY of the other chapters. They are not responsible for women choosing to drop if they can't make it a certain chapter. But when it comes down to it, the price of exclusivity is sometimes you're the one excluded, and that never feels good.

I just hope that the PNMs that don't find a home during formal rush give some of the other often overlooked chapters a chance. There are some AMAZING women doing AMAZING things there.

Please do and I’ll second it!!

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2020 12:40 PM

IUMomof2 your daughter has a good head on her shoulders. You should be very proud.

I agree that you should post on that FB page and let parents know there is another way to handle things. From what I understand many of the parents on that page were not Greek or were Greek somewhere else, so it is hard for the to understand what is really going on in Bloomington.

I go to several sporting events each year and when we tailgate, I always look around and notice the sorority women around us. Most of the time, they are nice girls just enjoying a nice Saturday afternoon. The rare few occasions I witness the contrary. I make a mental note. Over the last couple of years, I have met some really sweet girls in over half of the chapters. I can honestly tell parents and PNMs that there are beautiful, intelligent, kind, accomplished women in every chapter on campus. I know that other site would like to tell you otherwise, but I know what I see.

IUmom20 01-20-2020 01:18 PM

The parents IU page referred people to the Sorority and Fraternity fb page anytime a question was posted. So that’s where we went to ask questions and it was related to IU. This page intimidated me at first, It’s not really user friendly and it’s difficult to find info specific to IU. I’m still not sure I’m using it correctly. I keep just using quick reply. So I get why they are all on Facebook.

All the parents on the FB page have been posting encouraging comments about informal, but i know for a fact that the information about trusting the process and giving all the chapters a chance is already out there. I think they just chose to ignore it. I have been stalking and researching IU sorority recruitment for months and I can’t think of a single resource where I didn’t read that exact statement.

IUmom20 01-20-2020 01:33 PM

Oh and if you are brave enough to post on the Facebook page, could you please include that EVERY chapter at IU has a strong nationals. There isn’t a single chapter that is weak or undeserving.

hiro11 01-20-2020 03:38 PM

First post here. I'm a father of a freshman daughter at IU. She had two "pref" parties yesterday and has rank-ordered both on her MRABA.

I wasn't familiar with rush prior to my daughter going through it. This is a tough processes to put these young women through. Rush places high demands on the self-confidence, endurance, perseverance and tolerance of everyone involved. I'm proud of my daughter for gutting this out as I'm sure most parents here are. There are aspects of "character building" to this process that I can appreciate dispassionately, but this is frankly stressful if you have a kid going through it yourself.

A few things for IU to consider:
1. Please make better transportation options available during rush. I understand banning Uber, but the houses are all far apart and the weather is terrible. More buses going more places, please.
2. Speed up the 22-9 process. I know classes start to slow things down here, but allowing a full week for these cuts seems excessive.
3. Similarly speed up the pref-bib process. The houses should know who they're going with very soon after pref.
4. Consider making the Greek system bigger at IU. I know there are many factors here, but having only 50-60% (from what I've heard) of women get a bid seems pretty tight. Maybe offer "social membership" or something similar?

BTGorman 01-20-2020 04:05 PM

IU Rushee's mom
 
Hi everyone!
I just came upon this site today... a little late into the process.

My daughter is at IU and completed preference round yesterday. She seems happy and excited, but it has been a very difficult week for her best friend. This is taking away some of our joy as we await word tomorrow night.

Can anyone explain Snap Bids to me? I was in a sorority back in the dark ages and we didn't have that process.

My daughter's best friend was heartbroken over first round cuts and again after second round cuts, and again after third round. For preference round, she only had two invites and neither was one she could see herself at, and she dropped out. Would she be able to get a snap bid? Or she could go through informal rush? How does that work?

She's just such a great girl. Fun, interesting and has 3.8 GPA, too. So disappointing.

Also, can you tell me if my daughter is at risk of not receiving a bid Tuesday night? She went to 2 final sessions for preference round, loved them both, and submitted her preferences. Back in my day, you could still get cross cut in this stage, if you just ranked them a certain way. Is she safe from that? Will she get a bid from one of these houses?

Way more nervous going through this as a mom than I was for myself back in the day.

Also, how important are recs at IU? I made sure to get some for my daughter and her best friend, but only at about 5 houses. Could that have impacted her friend? Could it impact my daughter receiving a bid tomorrow night?

And finally, do houses cut gals who are legacies because they assume they will follow the legacy route? I wondered if her best friend could've been cut by some houses because they assume she won't choose them.

OK, sorry I wasn't on the site until now and you're getting all of my questions at once!

But this will keep me busy & distracted as i wait for her answers tomorrow night. :-)

Thank you!

carnation 01-20-2020 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hiro11 (Post 2472875)
First post here. I'm a father of a freshman daughter at IU. She had two "pref" parties yesterday and has rank-ordered both on her MRABA.

I wasn't familiar with rush prior to my daughter going through it. This is a tough processes to put these young women through. Rush places high demands on the self-confidence, endurance, perseverance and tolerance of everyone involved. I'm proud of my daughter for gutting this out as I'm sure most parents here are. There are aspects of "character building" to this process that I can appreciate dispassionately, but this is frankly stressful if you have a kid going through it yourself.

A few things for IU to consider:
1. Please make better transportation options available during rush. I understand banning Uber, but the houses are all far apart and the weather is terrible. More buses going more places, please.
2. Speed up the 22-9 process. I know classes start to slow things down here, but allowing a full week for these cuts seems excessive.
3. Similarly speed up the pref-bib process. The houses should know who they're going with very soon after pref.
4. Consider making the Greek system bigger at IU. I know there are many factors here, but having only 50-60% (from what I've heard) of women get a bid seems pretty tight. Maybe offer "social membership" or something similar?

Hiro, "social membership" is not practiced for many reasons, liability being a major one.

Also, enlarging the system won't work. If that many girls aren't getting bids, it's because they dropped when they didn't get a bid from a (usually) selective group they desired and they sure aren't gonna jump at the chance of joining a new, unhoused group. There are already some new groups that have a difficult time rushing because of that.

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2020 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hiro11 (Post 2472875)
4. Consider making the Greek system bigger at IU. I know there are many factors here, but having only 50-60% (from what I've heard) of women get a bid seems pretty tight. Maybe offer "social membership" or something similar?

Congratulations on your daughter making it through the process! I know it is a long grueling process and I do agree with you that the process could be made easier. The transportation has always been an issue, some things never change. When I went through recruitment, I had my car there and I crammed as many girls as I could into the car between parties with the heat blasting and definitely offered rides to PNMs going my way.

The reason for the delay between preference and bid day is the MLK observance. I have often wondered if chapters could have preference earlier in the day maybe 9 or 10 a.m. and then having bid night later that evening. With everything being computerized, it might be feasible to explore.

Your last point is one that I wanted to specifically address. I do believe around 2000 women registered for recruitment. Not all of them make the grades to continue. Then you have the women who are dropped completely from recruitment which is a very small number each year. Add to that the women who CHOOSE to drop out, that's why the placement rate looks like it's 50-60%. In reality typically between 1200 and 1100 women are eligible for preference. Then a few of those don't match because they listed only one chapter or drop before attending parties or right after parties. Once you take all of that into consideration, the placement rate is much higher. I don't believe that you should count women who voluntarily drop into the overall placement rate, as they chose to not continue with the process.

I hope your daughter is on cloud 9 tomorrow night! :-)

I read a recent post about "cross cut". That is a myth someone devised to ease the sting of a PNM being too low on both chapter lists to match. Now that IU is utilizing all of the features of RFM, a PNM will be matched with one of her two choices if she lists both. If she has only one chapter at pref and lists that chapter, she will match. If she has two chapters, but lists only one, she is decreasing her odds to match. She may not be high enough on her preferred chapter's list to be matched with them before they close.


Good luck to all of the PNMs tomorrow night!

IUMomof2 01-20-2020 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoses (Post 2472864)
Please do and I’ll second it!!

Lol, done.

Let the onslaught from mad mommies begin :cool:

GreekOne 01-20-2020 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BTGorman (Post 2472876)
Hi everyone!
I just came upon this site today... a little late into the process.

My daughter is at IU and completed preference round yesterday. She seems happy and excited, but it has been a very difficult week for her best friend. This is taking away some of our joy as we await word tomorrow night.

Can anyone explain Snap Bids to me? I was in a sorority back in the dark ages and we didn't have that process.

My daughter's best friend was heartbroken over first round cuts and again after second round cuts, and again after third round. For preference round, she only had two invites and neither was one she could see herself at, and she dropped out. Would she be able to get a snap bid? Or she could go through informal rush? How does that work?

She's just such a great girl. Fun, interesting and has 3.8 GPA, too. So disappointing.

Also, can you tell me if my daughter is at risk of not receiving a bid Tuesday night? She went to 2 final sessions for preference round, loved them both, and submitted her preferences. Back in my day, you could still get cross cut in this stage, if you just ranked them a certain way. Is she safe from that? Will she get a bid from one of these houses?

Way more nervous going through this as a mom than I was for myself back in the day.

Also, how important are recs at IU? I made sure to get some for my daughter and her best friend, but only at about 5 houses. Could that have impacted her friend? Could it impact my daughter receiving a bid tomorrow night?

And finally, do houses cut gals who are legacies because they assume they will follow the legacy route? I wondered if her best friend could've been cut by some houses because they assume she won't choose them.

OK, sorry I wasn't on the site until now and you're getting all of my questions at once!

But this will keep me busy & distracted as i wait for her answers tomorrow night. :-)

Thank you!

Yes, the friend is eligible for a snap bid from any chapter (those that were remaining on her list and those that were not). She can sign up for informal recruitment. The link is up on the Panhel website to register. This is her way of letting the chapters know she still has interest.

Your daughter should be okay. She should have a bid on Tuesday. There is no "cross cutting". She would at least be a quota addition and should be on one of those chapter's lists.

No matter what anyone says about recs, they can only help. People at IU like to say they don't matter. However, having been in membership selection meetings, I know firsthand that when you have hundreds of pnms with very little to differentiate one from another, a rec can break the tie.

I do not think listing a chapter as a legacy hurts your chance of getting a bid. Most chapters look at having Greek affiliation in your family as a plus, indicating that you are aware of financial commitments and lifelong benefits of membership.

Cookiez17 01-20-2020 05:18 PM

In a thread I found in the archives (this was before the big expansion they did over the last few years), IU did say that eventually they did want all 26 NPC orgs on campus one day which sounds insane. I bet that could happen one day and there would still be gripes over everything being unfair. I know that recruitment is extremely competitive here but it's crazy that people will drop just because they didn't get into (I don't know anything about IU rankings) what 3 houses that the loads of PNMs are vying for? It stinks how hard the ranking goes and it even extends to the parents telling their daughters to drop instead of giving their lists a chance.

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2020 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookiez17 (Post 2472882)
In a thread I found in the archives (this was before the big expansion they did over the last few years), IU did say that eventually they did want all 26 NPC orgs on campus one day which sounds insane. I bet that could happen one day and there would still be gripes over everything being unfair. I know that recruitment is extremely competitive here but it's crazy that people will drop just because they didn't get into (I don't know anything about IU rankings) what 3 houses that the loads of PNMs are vying for? It stinks how hard the ranking goes and it even extends to the parents telling their daughters to drop instead of giving their lists a chance.

The idea of all 26 NPCs at IU was under a previous FSA, and there have been two FSAs since this one. I no longer think that is IU's goal. They have issued a moratorium on land sales which would definitely keep some nationals from pulling the trigger.

Cookiez17 01-20-2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2472883)
The idea of all 26 NPCs at IU was under a previous FSA, and there have been two FSAs since this one. I no longer think that is IU's goal. They have issued a moratorium on land sales which would definitely keep some nationals from pulling the trigger.

Yeah as I said it was an extremely old thread. I would like to see tri sigma and tri delta back there at some point, certainly not now since they have a ton of houses.

33girl 01-20-2020 05:40 PM

Tri Delta left under extremely acrimonious circumstances. I don’t think they will want to give that a try for quite a while.

Cookiez17 01-20-2020 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2472885)
Tri Delta left under extremely acrimonious circumstances. I don’t think they will want to give that a try for quite a while.

Yeah it was really sad especially reading how they were on suspension for a good while and nationals was the one to pull the charter, not the school, which means something really bad must've been going on.

Cookiez17 01-20-2020 05:45 PM

Not to steer the topic hard but the amount of dropping I'm hearing from the IU page is crazy. There was one parent whose daughter's rho gamma group when from 18 to 6!

IndianaSigKap 01-20-2020 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cookiez17 (Post 2472887)
Not to steer the topic hard but the amount of dropping I'm hearing from the IU page is crazy. There was one parent whose daughter's rho gamma group when from 18 to 6!

That is so sad. I wish the girls would stick it out until the end, they can always drop after their last pref party and they would be eligible for snap bids and informal. Sometimes pref really is a game changer, you see the chapter at its best and you gain a new appreciation for the women in it.

BBH 01-20-2020 05:54 PM

I saw that too. I also saw a post from a mom who said her daughter only had one house for pref, selected them but was called and told no bid. I didn’t think that could happen this year since she would have maximized her options.

Rod D 01-20-2020 05:54 PM

Most will not agree, but I believe IU is out to eventually eliminate greek life altogether. An uber competitive recruitment process will only help that. Add greek agreement which are unworkable and designed to cause "violations." It won't be this year or next, but it's coming one day.

As for sorority recruitment, it seems to me that girls need to be strategic and realistic in who they target. Very similar to college admissions -- don't just apply to the most competitive schools. It's a tough process. Good luck to all.


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