Mccain, just saying what he thinks we want to hear?

[a.e.B.O.T.]

There are two contradicting articles out today based on McCain's statements...

One talks about he criticized Obama for his willingness to lose the war Friday
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/25/mccain-i-question-obamas-judgment/

and then I watched him tell Wolf Blitzer that his TOP priority as president is to remove the troops for the middle east???

So, put that contradiction aside... he went on to discuss how he will "bring Osama Bin Laden to justice"... ... ... ... ... don't we need to find him first? I mean, we haven't found him for 6 years, the optimism needed to talk about how he will be punished is long dead, and all discussion on the topic should be led to how to capture him first, no?

Sure, Obama is a little thin on, well, EVERYTHING, but seriously? Is McCain delirious that he can't keep a sense of reality for ONE day?

[DSTCHAOS]

They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

Voters need to remember that campaigns are largely based on hypotheticals and hopes for the future. Unless these candidates have psychics on their campaigns, there is no telling what can realistically be done with most of the issues on their platforms.

Will tax increases and other changes reduce the inequality gap and improve conditions for the average American? Maybe not and at least not immediately.

Will we be able to remove troops from the Middle East and/or will it have the outcome that we hope for? Maybe not and at least not immediately.

Will we be able to find Bin Laden and bring him to justice? Maybe not and at least not immediately.

Either candidate could completely flop as POTUS. Voting is similar to a more informed game of chance in that sense.

[DaemonSeid]

There are two contradicting articles out today based on McCain's statements...

One talks about he criticized Obama for his willingness to lose the war Friday
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/07/25/mccain-i-question-obamas-judgment/

and then I watched him tell Wolf Blitzer that his TOP priority as president is to remove the troops for the middle east???

So, put that contradiction aside... he went on to discuss how he will "bring Osama Bin Laden to justice"... ... ... ... ... don't we need to find him first? I mean, we haven't found him for 6 years, the optimism needed to talk about how he will be punished is long dead, and all discussion on the topic should be led to how to capture him first, no?

Sure, Obama is a little thin on, well, EVERYTHING, but seriously? Is McCain delirious that he can't keep a sense of reality for ONE day?

maybe we didn't watch the same clip:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/07/25/tsr.mccain.6p.cnn

(tell me if this is the same interview BTW....)

But it didn't sound that way to me....mcCain sounded (as he said it many times here) he will only remove troops as conditions allow it to be...

What I find a bit bothersome is that he believes that once our troops are gone that we will never have to go back....I can only hope that this is true....

[DeltAlum]

They are both saying what they think we want to hear.
Which is the proverbial "bottom line" on any election.

As a cynic might say, "How do you know when a politician is lying? Whenever his lips are moving..."

That's a little too cynical even for me. I think both candidates are smart, honorable men, but unfortunately elections seem to be to have become more of a popularity contest than they should be, with decisions and arguments being made for a lot of the wrong reasons.

It's interesting to me that a Republican woman is supposedly on Obama's potential VP list. That would certainly shake up "politics as usual."

[nittanyalum]

It's interesting to me that a Republican woman is supposedly on Obama's potential VP list. That would certainly shake up "politics as usual."
See, and the super-cynic in me would consider that pandering of the highest order if he were to actually go that route.

[DeltAlum]

See, and the super-cynic in me would consider that pandering of the highest order if he were to actually go that route.
You might be right.

It's a question that occurred to me.

Caroline Kennedy is leading the search committee.

Is she politically savvy enough to pull off this kind of thing -- or is it someone else's idea?

I guess we'll see how it all ends up.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.


Please show me proof that Obama has said what he thought we wanted to hear, and not what he truly felt... please... in return for each piece of evidence, I will show you at least TWO proofs of evidence for McCain...

the flip flop name calling worked in the last election, but it is hard for the Republican party to do so this time when they have a candidate whose political views LITERALLY change every two seconds... he use to be considered rather liberal for a republican... until he ran for the Republican Candidacy, and then suddenly he is conservative... until he GOT the candidacy and now he is moderate?

I, in my very cynical and skeptical methods, have researched and researched contradicting terms of Obama, and find them to be way to few than McCains

[KSigkid]

They are both saying what they think we want to hear. They need us to believe them and vote for them, afterall. At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.

Voters need to remember that campaigns are largely based on hypotheticals and hopes for the future. Unless these candidates have psychics on their campaigns, there is no telling what can realistically be done with most of the issues on their platforms.


This is especially since what most people get are out-of-context statements and sound bites, which are then dissected by media members who want an above-the-fold story, or the lead story on a broadcast.

I've learned, from having friends and family members with important jobs in big campaigns, to take everything with a grain of salt.

[DSTCHAOS]

Please show me proof that Obama has said what he thought we wanted to hear.....

Show me proof that he hasn't.

See how this works?

Great.

If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did. ;)

[DSTCHAOS]

This is especially since what most people get are out-of-context statements and sound bites, which are then dissected by media members who want an above-the-fold story, or the lead story on a broadcast.

I've learned, from having friends and family members with important jobs in big campaigns, to take everything with a grain of salt.

Exactly.

I have friends who work for big campaigns and I laugh at them because they are so passionate about the candidate. It sucks to be passionate about a candidate because politics should be "business never personal." I don't foresee myself working for a big political campaign because 1) I hate politics and 2) I would hate the conflict between my loyalty to the person (and, I guess, the platform--right) and calling BULLISHT on certain things.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Show me proof that he hasn't.

See how this works?

Great.

If you truly read my post, you wouldn't have responded as you did. ;)

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

[KSig RC]

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

Well, I read your post and frankly, I think it' a load of kool-aid-drinking ivory tower bullshit.

Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it?

CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE.

The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude.

[KSigkid]

Well, I read your post and frankly, I think it' a load of kool-aid-drinking ivory tower bullshit.

Seriously, you don't think Obama has ever said something just because he thought people wanted to hear it?

CHANGE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO HOPE FOR AS CHANGE IN YOUR CHANGEHOPE CHANGE.

The guy is a rhetorical wizard - that's basically the definition of "saying what you think people want to hear. Come on, dude.

The idea that Obama is infallible, or that he doesn't practice the same type of campaigning as other politicians, is hilarious.

Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions.

If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too.

[DSTCHAOS]

Well, I TRULY did read your post... and quite frankly, I think its a load of mumbo jumbo superiority crap, so I mainly dismissed it.

Superiority of whom over whom? That doesn't even make sense.

Anyway, if you TRULY read my post, you'd know that the main point is that voters don't know with certainty who is lying and who is telling the truth. Or if both are lying. Or if both are telling the truth. The outcomes are uncertain either way.

At the same time, they may both believe what they are saying.


I, personally, believe that politics are about lies. You believe in Obama. I don't believe in candidates. Ever. Politics won't stop because of the differing opinions of it. :)

[DSTCHAOS]

The idea that Obama is infallible, or that he doesn't practice the same type of campaigning as other politicians, is hilarious.

Also - no one who knew anything about McCain ever thought he was "liberal" for a Republican. Even during his "crusader" days, he still held a ton of conservative positions.

If you want Obama as President, support him, by all means. However, please don't act like he's some exception to the rule. He's playing the game too.

I keep telling people that Obama walks on water. :rolleyes:

It's interesting how people respond to me when I critique Obama in everyday interactions. The whites are shocked that a black person would think of Obama as a typical politician and the blacks are ready to revoke my "black card" and throw me off of a building. It can get heated but I always find it amusing.

This doesn't mean that I don't think Obama is a promising candidate, as promising as politicians can be, or that I might not vote for him. It means that if I vote for him it isn't based on my loyalty to Obama.

ETA: Obama seems like a cool person but that likeability doesn't a President make. Hell, Dubya seems like a cool person sometimes.

[KSigkid]

I keep telling people that Obama walks on water. :rolleyes:

It's interesting how people respond to me when I critique Obama in everyday interactions. The whites are shocked that a black person would think of Obama as a typical politician and the blacks are ready to revoke my "black card" and throw me off of a building. It can get heated but I always find it amusing.

This doesn't mean that I don't think Obama is a promising candidate, as promising as politicians can be, or that I might not vote for him. It means that if I vote for him it isn't based on my loyalty to Obama.

Obama has become quite the Teflon politician in this campaign. If you talk to many Obama supporters, they'll find it inconceivable that anyone could disagree with Obama on any issue. He's an extremely intelligent guy with a fantastic educational background, parts of his platform have issues where reasonable people may disagree.

I understand being passionate about a candidate, and really buying into his/her message. What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies.

[DSTCHAOS]

Obama has become quite the Teflon politician in this campaign. If you talk to many Obama supporters, they'll find it inconceivable that anyone could disagree with Obama on any issue. He's an extremely intelligent guy with a fantastic educational background, parts of his platform have issues where reasonable people may disagree.

I understand being passionate about a candidate, and really buying into his/her message. What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies.

It's just like the marketing of a "no spin zone--the spin stops here." I like Fox News but I know that there's spin. It's just a matter of where the spin is, which is sometimes not in the obvious places.

Oh and I know people who will talk about how Obama has probably had to play the politics game but these people say he's doing what needs to be done for the necessary change. That spin is amazing. It's "whatever means necessary" if one candidate plays politics and may have to be less forthcoming with info. Aren't lies and withholding info part of what pissed Americans off about this war? Slipper slope alert.

[DeltAlum]

What I don't understand, though, is the creation of a halo effect around Obama, and the indignation some people have towards anyone who would dare question his policies.
I suspect that if we look back over the past several years we would see the same phenomenon for President Bush.

People can be pretty myopic when it comes to "their" candidate.

[Tinia2]

mccain's champaign ran,as a paid commercial about 12 times, an ad criticizing obama for not visiting troops while on his recent overseas trip. it was run free as a news story over a hundred times. the minor problem is that it is not accurate; it is an attack ad. and it has not always been corrected. and people are taking it a hard face value. and it seems to be running and showing despite champaign's pledge not to run attack ads. the criticisms and accusations have even been part of a chain email. which made an appearance here in greek chat.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902286.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/us/politics/30ads.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper&oref=slogin

[KSigkid]

I suspect that if we look back over the past several years we would see the same phenomenon for President Bush.

People can be pretty myopic when it comes to "their" candidate.

I see where you're going with your little dig there, but I have to disagree...many Republicans (including myself) haven't been happy with Bush's Presidency, and are happy that we'll have an alternative (although many of us wish it had been someone other than McCain). Many of us voted for Bush in the last election because of our aversion to Kerry.

Also, you'll notice that we haven't been saying that it's an issue with ALL Democrats, just Obama supporters (who could be Democrat, Republican, or whatever). I know many Democrats who aren't happy with Obama, or his platform.

So, nice try in attempting to make this as a partisan thing but it's not.

[DSTCHAOS]

Well, I don't think so...many Republicans (including myself) haven't been happy with Bush's Presidency, and are happy that we'll have an alternative. Most of us voted for Bush in the last election because of our aversion to Kerry.

So, nice try in attempting to marginalize this as a partisan thing, but it's not.

It actually can be a partisan thing and just a human thing. There are still Bush loyalists. And before Bush proved to be a sucky President, there are people who swore that God sent Bush to bring America back to Christianity (and some other ideals that I won't get into).

The Obama Messiah phenomena is about timing, because people are desperately looking for something better, and about what people think change looks like. What better way to symbolize change than to have a charismatic, well-spoken, accomplished, and well-mannered (read: "not like the others" and "not how we're used to seeing 'them'" and "not a loud Reverend like Jesse Jackson") black man who people around the world are going googoo over. I don't think it holds much substance below the surface, but on the surface it makes America and the world look like a great deal of change is on its way.

None of what I typed makes any of this any less humorous, of course.

[KSigkid]

It actually can be a partisan thing and just a human thing. There are still Bush loyalists. And before Bush proved to be a sucky President, there are people who swore that God sent Bush to bring America back to Christianity (and some other ideals that I won't get into).

The Obama Messiah phenomena is about timing, because people are desperately looking for something better, and about what people think change looks like. What better way to symbolize change than to have a charismatic, well-spoken, accomplished, and well-mannered (read: "not like the others" and "not how we're used to seeing 'them'" and "not a loud Reverend like Jesse Jackson") black man who people around the world are going googoo over. I don't think it holds much substance below the surface, but on the surface it makes America and the world look like a great deal of change is on its way.

None of what I typed makes any of this any less humorous, of course.

Ok, fair enough - I don't entirely see this as a partisan thing though, because there's a portion of the Democrats (mostly former Hillary supporters) who aren't fully embracing the Obama candidacy.

There were a few Bush loyalists, absolutely - but I think (outside of the time right around 9/11, and that small group of loyalists lasting to today), that he had far more detractors, and that his following paled in comparison to Obama's current following. If nothing else, Bush's spending while in office alienated a large portion of the Republican party early on.

I see what you're saying, and I agree with almost all of it - I just don't think (again, outside of the time around 9/11) that the support for Bush ever reached that "Messiah" level. Maybe that's because I never fully embraced his Presidency myself, who knows.

[DSTCHAOS]

I hear what you're saying and don't really disagree. :)

Ok, fair enough - I don't entirely see this as a partisan thing though, because there's a portion of the Democrats (mostly former Hillary supporters) who aren't fully embracing the Obama candidacy.

It's not just a partisan thing but it also operates on partisan lines. There are other lines that it operates on, such as race and gender.

There were a few Bush loyalists, absolutely - but I think (outside of the time right around 9/11, and that small group of loyalists lasting to today), that he had far more detractors, and that his following paled in comparison to Obama's current following. If nothing else, Bush's spending while in office alienated a large portion of the Republican party early on.

I see what you're saying, and I agree with almost all of it - I just don't think (again, outside of the time around 9/11) that the support for Bush ever reached that "Messiah" level. Maybe that's because I never fully embraced his Presidency myself, who knows.

Yes, the difference is that people had a chance to experience the Bush Presidency and choose to be a loyalist or a detractor. Obama and McCain folk are still going based on promises and hopes for the future. Hell, there are still Ron Paul and Ralph Nader loyalists---who knows what the hell that's about? :)

Bush never represented hope and change and that was never his platform, aside from 9/11 as you said. However, when 9/11 came around he never had a chance to make that about him--maybe because he seems kind of like a socially inept dork who lacks charisma. It was always about GOD/National prayer, the people who lost their lives, and the terrorists. Poor Bush couldn't be the Messiah and effectively say "I am so cool and I will....." :)

[KSigkid]

Poor Bush couldn't be the Messiah and effectively say "I am so cool and I will....." :)

Heck, I wish I could just say "I am so cool and I will..." Maybe someday...

[DSTCHAOS]

Heck, I wish I could just say "I am so cool and I will..." Maybe someday...

"mo promises mo problems." :)

[DeltAlum]

I see where you're going with your little dig there, but I have to disagree...
Certainlly not a dig at you personally, but as I think back over the "debates" on these pages over the past several years, whichever candidate some people supported was held nearly godlike and the other in total disrespect.

I've seen the past few elections as a race between the lesser of two evils -- but in the case of Bush, II, I just never trusted him. Easy as that.

But no group or candidate is free of your teflon analogy within their own circle of supporters.

[Tinia2]

perhaps going back to the op, while mccain seems to say at every possible moment that he is against any and all new taxes, his actions and deeds seem to indicate other wise http://www.slate.com/id/2196336/

[a.e.B.O.T.]

perhaps going back to the op, while mccain seems to say at every possible moment that he is against any and all new taxes, his actions and deeds seem to indicate other wise http://www.slate.com/id/2196336/

EXACTLY... I don't know if Obama is feeding us a bunch of shit, or he is absolutely serious, because if it is shit, they make sure it don't stink... but it is shit like this from the McCain Campaign that just gets me flabbergasted that McCain made it this far in the election. And now it is a ruthless mud slinging contest, because McCain KNOWS the military does not support campaigning on military bases, and thus the Pentagon asked Obama not to attend European bases as he does not have any official business that needs to take place there. Obama respected the wishes of the Pentagon, there is nothing wrong with that. On and On and On... and now they are playing the race card again by shouting here and there that Obama is playing the race card.

Now, I expect all this mud slinging mumbo jumbo from the campaigns and the fundraisers and the protesters, etc... But all this coming straight from McCain's mouth... the guy who one the republican nomination by saying he will run a high-minded campaign...

[Tinia2]

EXACTLY... I don't know if Obama is feeding us a bunch of shit, or he is absolutely serious, because if it is shit, they make sure it don't stink... but it is shit like this from the McCain Campaign that just gets me flabbergasted that McCain made it this far in the election. And now it is a ruthless mud slinging contest, because McCain KNOWS the military does not support campaigning on military bases, and thus the Pentagon asked Obama not to attend European bases as he does not have any official business that needs to take place there. Obama respected the wishes of the Pentagon, there is nothing wrong with that. On and On and On... and now they are playing the race card again by shouting here and there that Obama is playing the race card.

Now, I expect all this mud slinging mumbo jumbo from the campaigns and the fundraisers and the protesters, etc... But all this coming straight from McCain's mouth... the guy who one the republican nomination by saying he will run a high-minded campaign...
thank you and i agree with your posting. but bear in mind this is what happens when a campaign signs on to it every available former w. campaign worker. does it matter to them that once out their work gets taken apart? no it does not. one reason is that they get free broadcast of it as a news story. others are that many people will not hear, learn or take their own time to find the errors. and it will leave doubt remaining in voters minds. however mccains saying that he is proud of their work is surprising.
and for those here who may not know of a rather well known non-political fact check site http://factcheck.org/ check out just how they take apart the ads that mccain is so proud of. as well as other ads.

added: i just heard that mccains group has a new ad out with obama and charles heston. mccain claims that they are just having fun and sees nothing wrong with ad campaign.

[a.e.B.O.T.]

added: i just heard that mccains group has a new ad out with obama and charles heston. mccain claims that they are just having fun and sees nothing wrong with ad campaign.

Yes, I saw that ad... Its weird and unorthodox.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-5NLDM26_4

It reminded me of a stereotypical church video... kind of like the Cruise Scientology one or the late night informercials. The video has this mockery of him being the messiah, but its whole point in the end is asking if he is ready to lead, which is weird, because the video does not sell this question. This was probably done by some campaign aide, and not someone who is involved with the PR of the campaign.

[Tinia2]

and now they are going after the new york times. this, out of all the junk mccains champaign has pulled this week alone, almost just about makes some sense and as the story shows could have some benefit to them in some areas or quarters:
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/mccain-at-war-with-newspaper/115090?icid=200100397x1207006970x1200352336

[KSigkid]

Obama's shift on drilling?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/02/obamas_shift_on_drilling.html

I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues.

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.

[Tinia2]

Obama's shift on drilling?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/02/obamas_shift_on_drilling.html

I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues.

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.
i agree with you ksgkid. this from factcheck.org, while not about this story, is about drilling and may give some context and background to it. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_full_tank_of_nonsense.html and
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/a_false_accusation_about_energy.html
after this weekend, factcheck and other sites like it will not doubt have updates sometime this upcoming week.

[SWTXBelle]

I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.

[KSigkid]

I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.

This is just a natural product of a longer election cycle, and a media that covers every single word.

I love politics, and find all this talk very interesting, but I agree that it gets to be a bit much.

[DSTCHAOS]

Obama's shift on drilling?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/02/obamas_shift_on_drilling.html

I hate posting this stuff, because these types of story are useless without context. But, I'm kind of sick of this ridiculous idea that McCain is shifting more or less than Obama on issues.

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.

This is an Obama-fan/anti-McCain thread. Stop leveling the field.

[DeltAlum]

I really wish the Republicans hadn't used the "flip-flop" strategy against Kerry the last time around. Politicians have changes of heart and policy throughout the campaign anyway, and there were LOTS of other areas to use to criticize Kerry.
Amen.

I'm tired of politics becoming this giant game of "gotcha!" where everyone waits to jump on a candidate if he/she misspeaks, changes his/her mind, or seems to "flip/flop". I'm certainly all for holding candidates accountable, but it is being taken to an extreme.
And Amen.

[KSigkid]

This is an Obama-fan/anti-McCain thread. Stop leveling the field.

Haha, sorry about that; I am, after all, a great thread-killer (threads seem to die out after I post).

[DSTCHAOS]

Haha, sorry about that; I am, after all, a great thread-killer (threads seem to die out after I post).

It has withstood the both of us. It's here to stay. :)

[DeltAlum]

It has withstood the both of us. It's here to stay. :)
God help us. (Sorry, I don't use little smilies -- but if I did, there would be one here)

[DSTCHAOS]

God help us. (Sorry, I don't use little smilies -- but if I did, there would be one here)

LOL. Isn't it funny that it's gotten easier to convey and grasp sarcasm and humor with a smiley? The internet is evil.

Oh yeah...back to McCain's flip flops. Much better than Crocs.

[DeltAlum]

sarcasm and humor with a smiley? The internet is evil.
Sarcasm on GC? Say it ain't so!

(Hey! Crocs are made by a Colorado company and help our economy. Lay off!) (Imagine a little smilie here)

[DSTCHAOS]

Sarcasm on GC? Say it ain't so!

(Hey! Crocs are made by a Colorado company and help our economy. Lay off!) :):mad::p:o:(;):D:cool::eek:

I have forced smilies upon you. Thank me later.

I wonder what the candidates think about Crocs? Do they wear them? If not, what is that saying about their stance on the economy?

On another note, whoa at international Crocs: http://www.crocs.com/international/

[DeltAlum]

I have forced smilies upon you. Thank me later.
Getting back to the thread, maybe I'll have to flip/flop on the use of smilies.

On the other hand, I'd rather use Crocks than flip/flops.

(Actually, I don't wear either)

You can all groan now.

[Tinia2]

this sort of falls into this thread. seems as if mccains campaign got a supporter upset with him as a result of last weeks ad with hilton and obama. ie the hilton family.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_en_ce/mccain_hilton_s_mom

added edit-full story from original site
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/03/kathy-hilton-calls-mccain_n_116625.html

[KSigkid]

this sort of falls into this thread. seems as if mccains campaign got a supporter upset with him as a result of last weeks ad with hilton and obama. ie the hilton family.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_en_ce/mccain_hilton_s_mom

added edit-full story from original site
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/03/kathy-hilton-calls-mccain_n_116625.html

This is a complete shock - a mother is upset about a TV ad that negatively depicts her daughter.

Donors never agree with every move a candidate makes. I understand, because of the Huffington Post's political leanings, why they posted on this, but I don't understand why this is a story outside of that forum.

[Tinia2]

perhaps because it rather directly relates to mccains campaign style, of the week, of playing to peoples ignorance instead of their intelligence.
and that it is in the general news.

and to continue with their new style or way of campaigning, they seem to have already forgotten about one of their earlier ads. what was it that mccains campaign said just the other day about obama raising the race card first?
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/setting-the-rec.html
or was that the real start of their humorous, fun campaign style? which they seemed to have indicated started last week.

This is a complete shock - a mother is upset about a TV ad that negatively depicts her daughter.

Donors never agree with every move a candidate makes. I understand, because of the Huffington Post's political leanings, why they posted on this, but I don't understand why this is a story outside of that forum.

[Tom Earp]

What amazes me is that both candidates are going to say what the feel the people want to hear.

But realize, who ever gets into the Big White House are only a small part of our Government and does not pass legislation!

They may promise any and everything, the Congress enact the laws.

Obama is a better orater than McCain, McCain has more experience and I wonder who in their right mind would want the damn job anyway?

[Tinia2]

true. congress does enact the laws. and for how many years has one party controlled the congress? and made some pretty strong efforts to control the supreme court? and now seems to have been caught attempting to politicize several agencies?

and yes, one can wonder why people wish to run for any type of political office anymore.
What amazes me is that both candidates are going to say what the feel the people want to hear.

But realize, who ever gets into the Big White House are only a small part of our Government and does not pass legislation!

They may promise any and everything, the Congress enact the laws.

Obama is a better orator than McCain, McCain has more experience and I wonder who in their right mind would want the damn job anyway?

[Tom Earp]

true. congress does enact the laws. and for how many years has one party controlled the congress? and made some pretty strong efforts to control the supreme court? and now seems to have been caught attempting to politicize several agencies?

and yes, one can wonder why people wish to run for any type of political office anymore.


LOL and the moronic ideas for some intelegient people who want to do it and the people behind them?

So who may be in power?:rolleyes:

[Tinia2]

while this may just be one of the oddest political ads ever done, it is most likely the hottest:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/64ad536a6d