Hazed: A greek tragedy at Northwestern-Lambda Phi Epsilon

[jon1856]

The seven pledges stood, shoulder to shoulder and in silence, on the newspaper-covered floor of an apartment on Foster Street. Across a row of seven empty trash cans, 14 actives held gallon jugs of liquid, which looked from their colors as if they had been selected at random from the coolers of a 7-Eleven.
A brother known as the "pledge father" told the pledges that though it seemed like a lot to drink, that was just a mental barrier. Each jug they drank was one fewer their pledge brothers would have to finish, he continued. "We want to see you down this stuff, balls to the wall," he said.
The first active handed a jug across the trash cans to the first pledge. Unscrewing the top, he took a hesitant sip. It was spicy and thick, likely a mixture of ketchup and Tabasco sauce. He started sucking it down. He got through about half of it. Then he puked. By the time the first jug reached the seventh and final pledge, it was still unfinished. But he swallowed its last drops and went to work on the second jug. This continued for four or five hours until the last jug, brewed from a time-honored recipe called "Death," had been swilled. Each pledge drank about two gallons before the "takeout," as the pledge events are called, ended. This one was called DTYD: Drink 'Til You Drop.......
http://www.uwire.com/Article.aspx?id=811702

Hazed: A Greek Tragedy

After enduring countless "takeouts," the freshman pledges of Lambda Phi Epsilon called it quits

http://media.www.dailynorthwestern.com/media/storage/paper853/news/2008/05/01/TheWeekly/Hazed.A.Greek.Tragedy-3360461.shtml

[Tom Earp]

How damn stupid!:mad:

I hope the whole chapter is removed from the school! Why, because they were all involved in it!

[preciousjeni]

That's disgusting. What purpose does this serve? And, are there not other less ridiculous ways to demonstrate to the pledges that they have to have each others' backs? I wouldn't go so far as to say that they need to be removed from campus, but they do need to have a fraternity rep oversee what they're doing to keep things within reason.

ETA: Lambda Phi Epsilon really needs to work on oversight in general. If I'm not mistaken, each chapter is essentially a local organization with its own rules and such. If their pledges keep dying, they won't be around much longer to fix the problem.

[PANTHERTEKE]

This kind of hazing is just stupid and ridiculous.

These guys should get kicked off campus, not necessarily because of the hazing, but just because they are complete idiots.

[jon1856]

That's disgusting. What purpose does this serve? And, are there not other less ridiculous ways to demonstrate to the pledges that they have to have each others' backs? I wouldn't go so far as to say that they need to be removed from campus, but they do need to have a fraternity rep oversee what they're doing to keep things within reason.

ETA: Lambda Phi Epsilon really needs to work on oversight in general. If I'm not mistaken, each chapter is essentially a local organiation with its own rules and such. If their pledges keep dying, they won't be around much longer to fix the problem.
I agree-in fact there is a link showing that this already has happened two years ago at another chapter in a Southern school.:(

[nwu43]

I agree-in fact there is a link showing that this already has happened two years ago at another chapter in a Southern school.:(

Oy, I knew it would be a matter of time before this was brought up here.
Look I'm not even gonna bother because you guys seem to have bought into everything this guy has written in his sensational article.

But if you want to see this thing from our side of it as well, look for our statement in response (it will be published on Monday). Also FYI, we're not alone here trying to defend ourselves, as MGC and NPHC chapters here have also got our back and supports us.

[Kevin]

Is the article true? If so, then it's sort of hard to defend you. You broke campus policy and probably the law. Read through a few articles on here. Kids go to jail for much less than what is alleged in these complaints.

As far as the "outrage," if you read the article, you'll note that the "emasculation" comment was a quotation from a professor of Asian-American studies. You can't blame Jackson, he was just out to get some answers.

[cp.pride]

Hey guys,

I just stumbled onto this site today and was surprised to find this article here. I am a student at Northwestern currently and believe every word written in this article. I know Peter Jackson very well as we are very good friends. I believe that there is no possible way for him to lie.

He does have a penchant for breaking the rules but what he unearths is the truth.
I am delighted to see another member of the Multi-cultural greek council go down.
Although it is unfortunate, this had to be done. I mean come on, they were forcing them to drink stuff.

the rumors about this chinese frat also were crazy on campus. That's how Peter wrote the story, from all the rumors. He went to each source of the rumors, and EVEN WHEN none of them were even willing to talk to him. HE STILL DUG UP THE TRUTH from the tiny bits each of them had to say.

Peter had to DIG UP THE TRUTH, by putting together the details bit by bit and pieces by pieces until he discovered everything and put it down on paper. HOW IS THAT UNETHICAL OR HALF TRUTHS? he constructed the WHOLE story by using small details. Do you realize how much effort that would take?

True his assignment was to do a piece on MGC (...no one wants to read about them) but Peter found something the people wanted to read about, true or not.

and you know what, who cares if all his sources were freshman who didn't receive bids.
IT DOSEN"T MATTER. THE TRUTH STILL CAME OUT. AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS.

HE IS AN SENSATIONAL JOURNALIST AND SHOULD BE GIVEN AN AWARD FOR THIS ARTICLE.

[Senusret I]

PJITY?

[nwu43]

Hey guys,

I just stumbled onto this site today and was surprised to find this article here. I am a student at Northwestern currently and believe every word written in this article. I know Peter Jackson very well as we are in the same Fraternity. I believe that there is no possible way for him to lie.

He does have a penchant for breaking the rules but what he unearths is the truth.
I am delighted to see another member of the Multi-cultural greek council go down.
Although it is unfortunate, this had to be done. I mean come on, they were forcing them to drink stuff.

I do realize that this might sound a bit hypocritical as rumors about my fraternity float around on campus just as much as this Latino or asian or wahtever one.
But to clarify, the pledge who had his neck slit with a box cutter was a complete accident, he did not press charges, and he is a happy member of our fraternity today.

PLUS the rumors about this chinese frat also were crazy on campus. That's how Peter wrote the story, from all the rumors. He went to each source of the rumors, and EVEN WHEN none of them were even willing to talk to him. HE STILL DUG UP THE TRUTH from the tiny bits each of them had to say.

Peter had to DIG UP THE TRUTH, by putting together the details bit by bit and pieces by pieces until he discovered everything and put it down on paper. HOW IS THAT UNETHICAL OR HALF TRUTHS? he constructed the WHOLE story by using small details. Do you realize how much effort that would take? How long the whole 3 days he was working on the article actually took? He worked on this for so long.

True his assignment was to do a piece on MGC (...no one wants to read about them) but Peter found something the people wanted to read about, true or not.

and you know what, who cares if all his sources were freshman who didn't receive bids.

IT DOSEN"T MATTER. THE TRUTH STILL CAME OUT. AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS.

HE IS AN SENSATIONAL JOURNALIST AND SHOULD BE GIVEN AN AWARD FOR THIS ARTICLE.


"chinese frat"

Wow. I honestly don't know what to say here... I didn't think there'd be people this ignorant on our campus.

[nwu43]

As far as the "outrage," if you read the article, you'll note that the "emasculation" comment was a quotation from a professor of Asian-American studies. You can't blame Jackson, he was just out to get some answers.

A quote from the article: "He says some of the Lambdas he knows feel "emasculated" because they're Asian"

The professor later told us that he never said that. And he mentioned that many of the other things he was quoted to say were completely taken out of context.

[Kevin]

Well, if PJ is worth a crap, he taped the interview so he wouldn't misquote. The quote sounds pretty ignorant anyhow. Groups don't haze because they feel emasculated, they do so because it's effective at team building.

That said, I guess you're not taking issue with the hazing accusations?

[nwu43]

Well, if PJ is worth a crap, he taped the interview so he wouldn't misquote. The quote sounds pretty ignorant anyhow. Groups don't haze because they feel emasculated, they do so because it's effective at team building.

That said, I guess you're not taking issue with the hazing accusations?

Of course we do. But I have to be extremely careful about that, which is why I don't want to write about it just yet because anyone can take my words out of context as well and twist them around. (you've already gotten my PM right?)

[Kevin]

Of course we do. But I have to be extremely careful about that, which is why I don't want to write about it just yet because anyone can take my words out of context as well and twist them around. (you've already gotten my PM right?)

Actually, no. I never got a PM from you.

[nwu43]

Actually, no. I never got a PM from you.

Ugh.. that's strange. I'll write you again later (it took me awhile to write that PM reply). Thanks for at least keeping an open mind though and not immediately jumping to conclusions.

[Kevin]

Ugh.. that's strange. I'll write you again later (it took me awhile to write that PM reply). Thanks for at least keeping an open mind though and not immediately jumping to conclusions.

If you sent it, you might want to check your "sent" folder in your email box and make sure it was correctly addressed.

[my apologies everyone, I'll clean this up when I get his PM]

[pReciouSdRaguN]

Peter had to DIG UP THE TRUTH, by putting together the details bit by bit and pieces by pieces until he discovered everything and put it down on paper. HOW IS THAT UNETHICAL OR HALF TRUTHS? he constructed the WHOLE story by using small details. Do you realize how much effort that would take?

But this idea of "truth" doesnt necessarily mean that EVERYTHING he writes about is accurate, although it may hold some truth to it. And it's hard to say what has/is really happening if he had to "dig up the truth" and "put together the details bit by bit." Who's to say that they are 100% accurate? The media does distort certain details.

And this isnt to say that your friend isnt a good journalist. Im just saying that there are other sides and perceptions to take into account. That's all.

[DGTess]

These guys should get kicked off campus, not necessarily because of the hazing, but just because they are complete idiots.

If they kicked complete idiots off of campuses, most schools would have to close.

[APOBee7519]

I know that being a member of Alpha Phi Omega they have strict standards of how they pledge people, but to know that Northwestern a prestige school would allow frats and sorrorities to haze people. I can understand little things like harmless jokes, but when they get you to binge drink until you pass out is crossing the line. It was past generations of fraternity and sorrority members that passed on their ignorant and harmful tactics to get freshman to pledge. It's bad that schools don't shut down the chapters and report them to the organizations national headquarters. What makes no sense is that you should be able to pledge without the dangerous pranks and binge drinking. I was given honorary status with the frat/sorrority organization I was with to progress into full membership with all the rights and privileges.

[PhiGam]

I scanned the article... did a kid die or did the entire pledge class just pussy out and rat out the older brothers?

[Kevin]

I scanned the article... did a kid die or did the entire pledge class just pussy out and rat out the older brothers?

Door #2.

[jon1856]

Oy, I knew it would be a matter of time before this was brought up here.
Look I'm not even gonna bother because you guys seem to have bought into everything this guy has written in his sensational article.

But if you want to see this thing from our side of it as well, look for our statement in response (it will be published on Monday). Also FYI, we're not alone here trying to defend ourselves, as MGC and NPHC chapters here have also got our back and supports us.
Well, it is Monday.
Where is that statement?

[33girl]

I was given honorary status with the frat/sorrority organization I was with to progress into full membership with all the rights and privileges.

No, you weren't. (But then again, if you are referring to APO as a "frat/sorrority" that's another problem right there.)

[nwu43]

Well, it is Monday.
Where is that statement?

Sorry, we've decided over the weekend to get it to print later. We all know that the earlier that people can see our side to it, the better, but we now have a good reason not to rush this thing.

It will hopefully be out on Thursday (won't jump the gun and say "will" this time), after we've ensured that our response will not get edited and censored.

[jon1856]

Sorry, we've decided over the weekend to get it to print later. We all know that the earlier that people can see our side to it, the better, but we now have a good reason not to rush this thing.

It will hopefully be out on Thursday (won't jump the gun and say "will" this time), after we've ensured that our response will not get edited and censored.

Could you please explain your last line???

[Senusret I]

nwu43, stop talking. You don't owe us anything. This is a matter for your national organization to handle -- it's bigger than you. Trust me on this.

(And I still owe you a reply to a PM from March - sorry!)

[DSTCHAOS]

nwu43, stop talking. You don't owe us anything. This is a matter for your national organization to handle -- it's bigger than you. Trust me on this.

The best post in this thread.

[nwu43]

nwu43, stop talking. You don't owe us anything. This is a matter for your national organization to handle -- it's bigger than you. Trust me on this.

(And I still owe you a reply to a PM from March - sorry!)

Thanks Senusret I.

I've been trying to be as careful as I could with what I say, but you're right (I was afraid not saying anything would make us look even worse).

[aggieAXO]

Personally having ALL of your pledges drop out makes you look pretty bad to me. I admit I am a little biased after hearing about the death of one of your pledges here in Austin 3 years ago.

[DSTCHAOS]

(I was afraid not saying anything would make us look even worse).

No, not saying anything means that the GC Court of Opinion is unimportant. ;)

[jon1856]

nwu43, stop talking. You don't owe us anything. This is a matter for your national organization to handle -- it's bigger than you. Trust me on this.

(And I still owe you a reply to a PM from March - sorry!)
BON I was thinking along these lines as well.
I truly thought that he was going to add to prior posting something along the lines of "under the advise of attorney" rather than what he did write in post.

[pReciouSdRaguN]

Personally having ALL of your pledges drop out makes you look pretty bad to me. I admit I am a little biased after hearing about the death of one of your pledges here in Austin 3 years ago.

Not that Im trying to get involved in this debate of sorts, but I just have to say.. just because a whole pledge class decides to DP doesnt mean the organization itself is doing a bad job or anything. It could've happened to anyone. It just s0o happens that they felt Lambdas wasnt for them.

And secondly, we shouldnt compare one chapter's pledging style with another because pledging styles and traditions do vary depending on the school and location, although they may have some similarities. I feel that it's a little unfair to base one chapter's actions against their national organization. I mean, you can be biased towards that chapter, but not nationally. Ok, that's all. Thanks for reading :)

[SoCalGirl]

Not that Im trying to get involved in this debate of sorts, but I just have to say.. just because a whole pledge class decides to DP doesnt mean the organization itself is doing a bad job or anything. It could've happened to anyone. It just s0o happens that they felt Lambdas wasnt for them.

And secondly, we shouldnt compare one chapter's pledging style with another because pledging styles and traditions do vary depending on the school and location, although they may have some similarities. I feel that it's a little unfair to base one chapter's actions against their national organization. I mean, you can be biased towards that chapter, but not nationally. Ok, that's all. Thanks for reading :)


Seriously???? If your entire pledge class drops you're doing all sorts of wrong things. Be it picking the wrong people or hazing the hell out of them or something in between. Don't blame the pledges for the chapter's problem.

[pReciouSdRaguN]

Seriously???? If your entire pledge class drops you're doing all sorts of wrong things. Be it picking the wrong people or hazing the hell out of them or something in between. Don't blame the pledges for the chapter's problem.


Im not saying that it's solely the pledges' problem if they dont cross, but it's also not solely the chapter's either. Sometimes they [the pledges] feel the organization is just not right for them or they cant hack it.. sometimes it's the organization's fault for their methods of teaching. There are times when organizations dont cross a class; it's unfortunately, but it happens. Im just saying there are many perspectives to see this from, not just one.

But then again, I dont go to Northwestern and I didnt pledge Lambdas there, s0o I wouldnt really know if there really would be someone to blame.. not like I was pointing a finger to begin with.

[Kevin]

I don't think anyone is ready to conclude guilt.

Back in my active days, I had a little something to do with getting a pledge kicked out. I was, of course, accused by both this kid (and his mother) of hazing, which was a lie. In fact, they went so far as to try to seek redress through the University and through our Headquarters. Fortunately for me, no one found them credible enough to even take it to the next step.

All we know is this: An entire pledge class dropped.

As to why, consider this clip from the story:

Four of the pledges, who were granted anonymity because they feared retribution from active Lambdas, had slightly differing accounts of DTYD and other pledge events. (Some of them attempted to retract their tape-recorded statements in similarly worded e-mails sent earlier this week, denying they ever pledged the fraternity.) All accounts in this story were reconstructed from coinciding details.

Often when pledges drop out or are asked to leave, they will want to take revenge. There are other possible explanations here.

[PhiGam]

I really don't see what the big deal is. Nobody died or got hurt. Of course hazing is wrong but this is not newsworthy IMO.

[Kevin]

I really don't see what the big deal is. Nobody died or got hurt. Of course hazing is wrong but this is not newsworthy IMO.

Feelings were hurt.

Aren't feelings important?

[L.O.C.K.]

I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.

As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are).

While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with.

Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young.

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/805040359&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL


If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Sincerely,
Nate

[CULater]

I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.

As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are).

While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with.

Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young.

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/805040359&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL


If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Sincerely,
Nate

that's so sad, i know people who go to Cornell and Binghamton...

mentioning Cornell, they have a Sunshine Policy where greeks who have gotten hazing sanctions are put on blast:

http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incidents/hazingBlotter.html

Lambda Phi Epsilon has gotten into trouble twice, both alcohol and calinsthetics related

[PhiGam]

Feelings were hurt.

Aren't feelings important?
Not important enough to warrant a damn newspaper article or an "outrage." Most pledges would be happy if this "drink til you drop" was the worst part of their pledgeship.

[Senusret I]

I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.

As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are).

While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with.

Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young.

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080504/NEWS01/805040359&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL


If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Sincerely,
Nate


Nate, I take issue with this..... Theta Nu Xi hasn't joined the National Multicultural Greek Council and both they and NMGC are doing fine. LPE might not feel your council is the best fit for them, and that's okay.

[Educatingblue]

nwu43, stop talking. You don't owe us anything. This is a matter for your national organization to handle -- it's bigger than you. Trust me on this.

(And I still owe you a reply to a PM from March - sorry!)

I was going to PM him this...I think coming on GC and trying to defend your org is one of the biggest mistakes younger orgs make. As hard as it may be, you have to read and ignore.

[Kevin]

I agree.

Younger organizations would do well to understand when it's time to circle the wagons and when it's time to speak.

That said, anything anyone needs deleted regarding this (that is false), PM me.

I'm thinking about locking this thread, but I'm not there yet.

[33girl]

mentioning Cornell, they have a Sunshine Policy where greeks who have gotten hazing sanctions are put on blast:

http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incidents/hazingBlotter.html



The problem with that is, some of them are ridiculous (the toilet paper) and it just makes everyone laugh at it...so even if you got caught "hazing", if it's something the general populace finds funny or not bad it's not going to hurt your numbers....it will more likely help them because it gives you PR.

[nittanyalum]

Most pledges would be happy if this "drink til you drop" was the worst part of their pledgeship.
I think Kevin's post was meant to be sarcastic (dripping with it, in fact).

And the danger of the statement above is that too quickly, these sentiments could turn into ridiculous things like boiling water being poured on pledges and disfiguring them for life.

[Kevin]

I think Kevin's post was meant to be sarcastic (dripping with it, in fact).

And the danger of the statement above is that too quickly, these sentiments could turn into ridiculous things like boiling water being poured on pledges and disfiguring them for life.

Yes, that was sarcastic, but as far as the correlation between PhiGam's sort of hazing and the pouring of boiling water, I just don't see it. One most certainly does not lead to the other.

While both from a risk standpoint are bad things, of course, and both would for some result in serious bodily injury or possibly death, they just aren't related.

[nittanyalum]

Yes, that was sarcastic, but as far as the correlation between PhiGam's sort of hazing and the pouring of boiling water, I just don't see it. One most certainly does not lead to the other.

While both from a risk standpoint are bad things, of course, and both would for some result in serious bodily injury or possibly death, they just aren't related.
I was trying to relate the impression that the false bravado that I think is too prevalent among guys who start upping the ante on "how tough" their pledging is/was/should be can get out of hand. Saying that guys would wish their pledging was "as easy" as just drinking 'til they drop leaves the door too wide open to suggestions that more = brand of cool/real pledging. Add alcohol and older brothers egging each other on, and clearly, anything can happen. I mean, really, how else do things escalate to the level where idiots will put a pot of boiling water on a stove with the intent to shower pledges with it? Reacting to tales of pledging with a "psht, that ain't nothin'" doesn't move organizations forward and protect the young men coming in to the greek system from boys who get too caught up in their own braggadocio.

[Kevin]

braggadocio.


I'm not being dismissive of the rest of what you said, but that really is a great word.

[Impulse]

I agree because the pledges did not die and were not seriously hurt, so the sitution is not that bad....but i think its pretty dumb for making the pledges to drink mixed ketchup and hot sauce. There are better ways to unify a pledge class.

To my knowledge, Northwestern Lambda Phi Epsilon will be hosting their National Convention later this month. I honestly hope this situation will not cause too much of a negative effect.

[CULater]

I agree because the pledges did not die and were not seriously hurt, so the sitution is not that bad....

wow....we might have to agree to disagree on this one.

[CULater]

The problem with that is, some of them are ridiculous (the toilet paper) and it just makes everyone laugh at it...so even if you got caught "hazing", if it's something the general populace finds funny or not bad it's not going to hurt your numbers....it will more likely help them because it gives you PR.

it may be funny but would you want to go through it and risk the university reporting you to the police for theft (they could if they wanted to)? (btw, that toilet paper wasn't done by a frat or sorority)

[Low C Sharp]

If they kicked complete idiots off of campuses, most schools would have to close.

Selective private schools like Northwestern aren't most schools. For every kid who's admitted, 3 or 4 are turned away. If the accusations are true, get these fools off campus and give those seats in the college to kids who deserve them more. Bright young people are lining up to get into schools like Northwestern.

[chaos07]

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

[Senusret I]

Hush your fool mouth.

[Unregistered-]

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

If you spent time reading the message boards instead of spouting off right away, you'll see in this very forum that it's not just this fraternity getting trouble...mmkay?

Reading is fundamental.

And I think there's room for only one Chaos.

[Tom Earp]

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.



??? what ???

Being on a campus or a National has nothing to do with it.

If not condoned then what?

[barbino]

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

Sorry, I just cannot resist editing this --

This organization may be ........ more prone to being hated by others.
English 101 is still a requirement for college graduation. :)

[nate2512]

Sorry, I just cannot resist editing this --

This organization may be ........ more prone to being hated by others.
English 101 is still a requirement for college graduation. :)

English 101 should be required to graduate high school. I took English 101/102 in high school, and I very much think that I generally do better on writing assignments, which due to a new initiative by the University to raise the quality of writing in discipline, is mandatory in ever class. As far as some GCers though, you would be surprised they made it to college with their writing skills.

[PhiGam]

I agree, I took Eng Comp 1101-1102 in HS and it helped me immensely. High school english classes (at least in FL) are a joke.

[starang21]

Oy, I knew it would be a matter of time before this was brought up here.
Look I'm not even gonna bother because you guys seem to have bought into everything this guy has written in his sensational article.

But if you want to see this thing from our side of it as well, look for our statement in response (it will be published on Monday). Also FYI, we're not alone here trying to defend ourselves, as MGC and NPHC chapters here have also got our back and supports us.


dude is your name really hooters? seriously?




LOLOL

[exlurker]

Update September 24, 2008: Four-Year Suspension Upheld

Story from the Daily Northwestern's site:

http://media.www.dailynorthwestern.com/media/storage/paper853/news/2008/09/24/Campus/Lambda.Phi.Epsilon.Suspended.Following.Rules.Viola tion-3448862.shtml

Excerpts:
After losing all appeal attempts this summer, Lambda Phi Epsilon fraternity received a four-year suspension from Northwestern, said Jim Neumeister, director of judicial affairs. The sanction was the result of a hearing in front of University Hearing and Appeals System last spring.

The board found the historically Asian fraternity violated four university rules, Neumeister said: hazing, a rule prohibiting violence or threatening the safety of any person, restrictions on recruitment until Winter Quarter of a student's freshman year and failure to cooperate with the investigation and student conduct hearings.

Knowledge of the hazing practices became widespread after an April story in The Weekly. . . . They [former pledges] said members of the fraternity forced them to perform all-night calisthenics . . . and drink gallon jugs of thick liquid appearing to be a mixture of ketchup and Tabasco sauce.

The fraternity is prohibited from any on-campus or off-campus activities until at least the 2012-2013 school year. . . .

[ASTalumna06]

I just received this email today from AST National Staff about the newly-initiated Lambda Phi Epsilon who died at The University of Texas...


As part of our commitment to Hazing Prevention, we are proud to announce the creation of the Hazing Prevention portion of our website. This story, along with many others, will be profiled on the site.

We now invite you to meet Jack. We hope you learn what he was unable to - A pattern of heavy drinking in alcohol initiations can and will kill you.

Who is Jack?
Phanta Jack Phuommarath entered the University of Texas at Austin in 2005 as a pre-Computer Science major. Just like every college freshman, he created his Facebook profile, met new friends and decided like each one of us, to join a fraternity/sorority. Unfortunately, Jack's life was cut short on December 10, 2005 - eight hours after his fraternity's initiation.

What happened?
Jack was required, with the rest of his new member class, to drink alcohol provided to them by the active members at initiation. Jack became incapacitated as the result of the consumng alcohol and left alone, unattended. Jack died that night.

It was found that the drinking was only a portion of what Jack and his fellow new members had to endure. Jack had shaved his head as part of the initiation and also reportedly had markings that apparently were drawn on him at the fraternity after he passed out at the party.

His Legacy
Jack's family have taken proceeds from the settlement of their cases and have created an endowment in honor of their son to promote alcohol awareness and to educate other students about the dangers of hazing and binge drinking. The family also developed a professionally produced video regarding the dangers of hazing and binge drinking. His family hopes their efforts will make a difference and prevent others from losing a child in such a senseless tragedy.

Watch the Videos
The message is clear. Jack Phoummarath was an incredible young man, who unfortunately, trusted men he was supposed to call his "brothers", and it cost him his life.

The Pledge http://www.stophazing.org/nuwer/july08column.htm (see bottom of webpage)
Jack's Website http://www.inmemoryofjack.com/
StopHazing.org