Yet another Bill O Reilly Goof [Archive]

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 03:41 PM

During the February 19 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Bill O'Reilly took a call from a listener who said of Michelle Obama, "I just wanted to say that I think Michelle Obama is an angry woman -- is speaking, I think, with her real voice for the first time." O'Reilly and his callers were discussing Obama's recent comments, which included her assertion that "[f]or the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country." When O'Reilly asked the caller, whom he identified as "Maryanne," "You're basing that on what?" she replied: "Well your representative asked me not to talk about this, but I have a friend who had knowledge of her and said to me months ago, 'This is a very angry,' her word was 'militant woman.' " O'Reilly then responded, "What I want you to do then, Maryanne ... I want you to stay on the line. ... Because it's not fair to Michelle Obama for you ... because we don't know who you are, and we don't know who your friend is, but we want to know. We want to know, OK. But it's not fair at this point for you to say, 'My friend said X and Y,' because we just don't know. But if you would give us your information, we would like to talk to your friend. And then whatever your friend tells us, we'll track it down. We'll do it in a fair and balanced and methodical way." He later added, "If indeed Michelle Obama is angry about something, if she has a history, we would like to know that, and then we can put it into some kind of context so that we can be fair to everybody."
O'Reilly then stated:
O'REILLY: You know, I have a lot of sympathy for Michelle Obama, for Bill Clinton, for all of these people. Bill Clinton, I have sympathy for him, because they're thrown into a hopper where everybody is waiting for them to make a mistake, so that they can just go and bludgeon them. And, you know, Bill Clinton and I don't agree on a lot of things, and I think I've made that clear over the years, but he's trying to stick up for his wife, and every time the guy turns around, there's another demagogue or another ideologue in his face trying to humiliate him because they're rooting for Obama.
That's wrong. And I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200802200001

o well...Bill...nobody will probably pay you any mind anyway...

Bill it's just funny how you criticize someone for what they said and you commit the same error all in teh same breath even.

**coff** Kelly Tilghman **coff**

" I don't want to go on a lynching party unless...."

Wow....this stuff cracks me up....LOL

shinerbock

02-20-2008, 05:58 PM

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 06:07 PM

Is it just because he used the term "lynching"?

Yes just like that sports anchor's "lynch him in a back alley."

I understand O'Reilly's sentiment and really like O'Reilly. This was a nonracial comment that, if he had been thinking of the larger context, he would've expressed differently as to avoid the trouble.

shinerbock

02-20-2008, 06:40 PM

I thought the Tiger Woods fiasco was overblown too. I thought the comment was inappropriate, but that was a different scenario in my opinion. The comment there was a joking "lets lynch him in a back alley," which would have been awkward, at best, even for a white golfer. It simply wasn't a professional thing to say.

I think this is more of a reach because it is simply a reference to a lynch mob scenario (which by definition is not racial, though the connotation is obviously there), which in my mind is a much more common usage and not particularly controversial.

I understand that the many people wince when a black person and the term "lynch" are used in the same paragraph, but I think in the O'Reilly type scenario we should simply let that be it. I don't really even think he should refrain from doing that, unless he justs wants to eliminate the possibility of word-choice questioning like this.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 06:42 PM

Am I reading this right?

O'Reilly said he wasn't interested in going after Michelle's comments unless he knew her true intent?

Is it just because he used the term "lynching"?

Seems like a bit of a reach if I'm understanding your post.

Not reaching...laughing.

really think about it...that's par for the course for O'reilly....

I just hope and pray this doesn't become a stupid media circus when he is cornered into giving some half assed apology just to save his job.

and all because he was actually trying to defend Mrs Obama....heh

shinerbock

02-20-2008, 06:57 PM

Not reaching...laughing.

really think about it...that's par for the course for O'reilly....

I just hope and pray this doesn't become a stupid media circus when he is cornered into giving some half assed apology just to save his job.

and all because he was actually trying to defend Mrs Obama....heh

Fair enough. He's probably just thankful he doesn't work for MSNBC, otherwise he'd (have never been hired) be packing his stuff.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 08:49 PM

Fair enough. He's probably just thankful he doesn't work for MSNBC, otherwise he'd (have never been hired) be packing his stuff.

Shiner...speaking of MSNBC....Keith Olbermann is talking about this now....

The circus now begins

They need to do this to Saliva's "Ladies and Gentlemen"

shinerbock

02-20-2008, 08:52 PM

They're talkin about the lynching comment?

Who is it, Olbermann? I wouldn't be surprised considering he spends 80% of his time trying to attack O'Reilly.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 08:55 PM

They're talkin about the lynching comment?

Who is it, Olbermann? I wouldn't be surprised considering he spends 80% of his time trying to attack O'Reilly.

yup...turn it on...quick....

and to be more specific..
the part of 'Lynching, unless...'

sigh....

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 09:00 PM

Ummm, O'Reily is a racist fool. And the Tiger Woods comment was NOT overblown.

shinerbock

02-20-2008, 09:04 PM

Ummm, O'Reily is a racist fool. And the Tiger Woods comment was NOT overblown.

You're right, we should make a racism scandal out of every stupid-yet-not-at-all-prejudiced comment someone makes. Good call.

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 09:10 PM

You're right, we should make a racism scandal out of every stupid-yet-not-at-all-prejudiced comment someone makes. Good call.

No, you're right. It's perfectly ok to walk around and say you're going to lynch black people. Better call.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:16 PM

No, you're right. It's perfectly ok to walk around and say you're going to lynch black people. Better call.

pinkies up.....

i have to actually side for once with shiner...

Like I said...if this gets overblown....what's gonna happen?

Let me tell you

Al Sharpton

Empty Apologies

Suspensions

Get another job.....

I will be honest with you...I hope he doesn't apologize....

Never fix your mouth to say something that you may have to apologize for later - Kanye West

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:17 PM

Ummm, O'Reily is a racist fool. And the Tiger Woods comment was NOT overblown.

How is O'Reilly racist?

I think the Tiger situation could have been handled with an on aire apology, prefaced by the fact that a racial comment was not her intent, and an acknowledgement of the history behind the word "lynch." All the other commentary and protest was extra. There always needs to be varying levels of importance and response or else the -isms will become meaningless.

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 09:18 PM

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 09:19 PM

How is O'Reilly racist?

I think the Tiger situation could have been handled with an on aire apology, prefaced by the fact that a racial comment was not her intent, and an acknowledgement of the history behind the word "lynch." All the other commentary and protest was extra. There always needs to be varying levels of importance and response or else the -isms will become meaningless.

O'Reily is really just a fool. Racist is just another adjective to his foolishness.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:20 PM

That's fine. I think that there comes a time when people; ALL people should be held accountable for their actions. I don't think it is overblown. I think that people are just too accepting of ignorance.

Accountability means nothing if the actions of the employers mean nothing....think about it....

Fox may move in on O Reilly if ad agents pull out or any entity that donates money start to pull out...if that happens when that happens then that's when action will take place....

Learn from Imus...

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 09:23 PM

Accountability means nothing if the actions of the employers mean nothing....think about it....

Fox may move in on O Reilly if ad agents pull out or any entity that donates money start to pull out...if that happens when that happens then that's when action will take place....

Learn from Imus...

I agree. I believe in freedom of expression; however, we can't just say any and everything. I live in Mississippi and believe me, racisim is very much alive and well here. I hear the n-word from our children everyday and it sickens me that they have embraced it as a badge of honor. Makes you wonder what all the sit-ins and marches were really for.

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:24 PM

I will be honest with you...I hope he doesn't apologize....

During his Talking Points:

He can stand behind what he says and simply say "I understand the history behind the word and would've used the same word if she had not been black...for those of you who are offended, I did not mean to offend." :) That's an apology without an apology.

As long as he doesn't make himself a Pinhead instead of a Patriot. :p

O'Reilly isn't moved by Sharpton.

AKA_Monet

02-20-2008, 09:25 PM

Michelle must get a new stylist who can DO her hurr with a straightening comb!!! DAMMIT!!! I am tired of seeing her wacky edges!!! Or dayum, get some locks!!! But don't be fuzzy!!! On TV!!!

And as far as Bill O' Reilly--say hello to the plaintiff and the wifey!!!

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:27 PM

O'Reily is really just a fool. Racist is just another adjective to his foolishness.

Congratulations on contextually reducing "racism" to nothingness and unfoundedly using it as ammunition against someone you simply don't care for.

Hooray.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:28 PM

During his Talking Points:

He can stand behind what he says and simply say "I understand the history behind the word and would've used the same word if she had not been black...for those of you who are offended, I did not mean to offend." :) That's an apology without an apology.

As long as he doesn't make himself a Pinhead instead of a Patriot. :p

O'Reilly isn't moved by Sharpton.

I know Sharpton doesn't scare him but this will become another un needed side show

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:29 PM

No, you're right. It's perfectly ok to walk around and say you're going to lynch black people.

That's not what was said.

This isn't Dog the Bounty Hunter we're talking about.

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:29 PM

I know Sharpton doesn't scare him but this will become another un needed side show

It won't really. Just like people are still saying "Nas and Kelis who?" :p

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:31 PM

That's not what was said.

This isn't Dog the Bounty Hunter we're talking about.

speaking of...he will be back on the air next month

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:34 PM

speaking of...he will be back on the air next month

Yay. I can pretend like I'm boycotting his show...as if I ever really watched his show and even knew when it came on. :)

I'm not pretending to boycott because of his initial comments. I'm pretending to boycott because of his interview with Sean Hannity where he shed crocodile tears and said that he's just NOW realizing that's not black. He had always been allowed to use certain words and he thought he was black. :rolleyes: Right.

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 09:46 PM

O'REILLY: You know, I have a lot of sympathy for Michelle Obama, for Bill Clinton, for all of these people. Bill Clinton, I have sympathy for him, because they're thrown into a hopper where everybody is waiting for them to make a mistake, so that they can just go and bludgeon them. And, you know, Bill Clinton and I don't agree on a lot of things, and I think I've made that clear over the years, but he's trying to stick up for his wife, and every time the guy turns around, there's another demagogue or another ideologue in his face trying to humiliate him because they're rooting for Obama.
That's wrong. And I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down.

Please tell me how this isn't a racist comment. He wouldn't say he would go and lynch Hillary Clinton.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:48 PM

Please tell me how this isn't a racist comment. He wouldn't say he would go and lynch Hillary Clinton.

Never said that it wasn't...this is actually par for the course when it comes to Bill...but like I said earlier...why go chasing after him when we all know the end result.

and sadly enough...he said this while defending her...that's what makes this thing so dayumed hilarious

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:50 PM

Please tell me how this isn't a racist comment. He wouldn't say he would go and lynch Hillary Clinton.

musical interlude/

Ice Cube and the Lynch Mob, we're jackin' 4 beats!!!!

/musical interlude

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:52 PM

Never said that it wasn't...this is actually par for the course when it comes to Bill....

and sadly enough...he said this while defending her...that's what makes this thing so dayumed hilarious

Are you two serious?

Yikes.

Kevlar281

02-20-2008, 09:54 PM

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:55 PM

Are you two serious?

Yikes.

not really....but think about DST....if this becomes another media circus, what's really going to happen? At worst same thing that happened to Imus...at least same thing that happened to Tilghman...it's a matter of who complains the loudest and who screams the most for Bill's head....and somewhere you wi;ll get the statement that you provided.

It's a farce if this gets bigger.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:56 PM

So what are your thoughts on the Rap Entertainment Industry?

Kevlar.....that's a whole 'nother thread...but suffice to say, I don't listen to too much of any modern rap (since 1990)

DSTCHAOS

02-20-2008, 09:58 PM

not really

*sigh of relief*

....but think about DST....if this becomes another media circus, what's really going to happen? At worst same thing that happened to Imus...at least same thing that happened to Tilghman...it's a matter of who complains the loudest and who screams the most for Bill's head....and somewhere you wi;ll get the statement that you provided.

It's a farce if this gets bigger.

What happened to Imus was mean spirited, regardless of anything else, and that is a different context.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 09:59 PM

*sigh of relief*

What happened to Imus was mean spirited, regardless of anything else, and that is a different context.

different context true but if MSNBC's report makes this snowball, the end result will still somewhere be the same

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 10:03 PM

So what are your thoughts on the Rap Entertainment Industry?

First of all, all rap isn't entertaining. However, it's funny to see others doing the "heismen on the hoe" and "soulja boy". Entertaining music? Nope.

Kevlar281

02-20-2008, 10:06 PM

Kevlar.....that's a whole 'nother thread...but suffice to say, I don't listen to too much of any modern rap (since 1990)

Your right I’m not trying to stir up the controversy in this thread so I’ll keep it on topic.

My opinions on the lynching comment…Should she have known better? Yes. Did she mean for it to be taken with a racial connotation? I don’t know.

But Tiger seemed to put it behind him pretty quickly and since he actually knows the woman I’m fine with accepting his interpretation of the incident.

DaemonSeid

02-20-2008, 10:07 PM

First of all, all rap isn't entertaining. However, it's funny to see others doing the "heismen on the hoe" and "soulja boy". Entertaining music? Nope.

I thought it was superman that hoe...but who is counting...

young people and their vernacular....heh

pinkies up

02-20-2008, 10:10 PM

I thought it was superman that hoe...but who is counting...

young people and their vernacular....heh

You can do a Heisman on that hoe and Souja Boy supermans's that hoe. Now, we have to identify who the hoe is...:cool:

Velocity_14

02-20-2008, 10:22 PM

After reading the transcription...it doesn't seem like O'Reilly is purposefully making a racist remark. Using the term "lynching," I think, took away from the intention and the context of his comment. So, I said that to say though I do understand where O'Reilly was coming from, at the end of the day "lynching" would still NOT be a word of choice to help express this point.

The fact that he states he would have used that word if he where talking about someone else doesn't make his use of the word very tactful in my eyes either....but then again....I don't expect much tact from him anyway;).

KSig RC

02-20-2008, 10:31 PM

Please tell me how this isn't a racist comment. He wouldn't say he would go and lynch Hillary Clinton.

Well, you're attempting to rally a group of people to lynch O'Reilly, when there's really no need for the torches at all.

See? That's not racist - in fact, there were "lynch mobs" before there were ever slaves in the United States. The ignorant connotation behind lynchings is somewhat specific, as we can show:

"He's getting lynched by the media!" <-- No connotation at all, but still probably something to avoid in direct reference to a black person because of historical racist crimes. O'Reilly forgot the second part, but the first part was exactly the opposite of how you described it. He likely would use that term in other situations, and likely has. I use it all the time - but then again, I'm from the north.

"(Something along the lines of) hang her from a tree!" <-- direct, explicit connection to abhorrent acts in the deep south. Inappropriate in almost every context. NOT how O'Reilly used the term.

Your point only stands on its own merits if he had actually said something directly offensive, as in the second case. He didn't - you're really projecting here. The term "lynch" is a completely valid descriptor, after all.

shinerbock

02-20-2008, 10:38 PM

Didn't Tiger come out and say something about leaving him out of this kinda crap? I heard that second-hand, and I've never really liked Woods, but if that was his attitude then I gained a little respect for him.

PhiGam

02-21-2008, 12:24 AM

This thread is absolutely worthless and retarded. If you think that what he said was wrong in any way then you need to go soak your head.

Drolefille

02-21-2008, 01:01 AM

I don't think he meant it to come off that way, it was one of those poor choice of words in hindsight but you do see the word "lynch" used outside of racial contexts particularly something like "being lynched by the media." O'Reilly is perfectly capable of being offensive when he wants to, and (intentionally or not) obtuse other times. I'd guess he didn't mean it here and it was nothing more than a word, and one he would indeed have used toward Hillary Clinton.

No one was asking for their "motherf*cking iced tea" though, right?

DaemonSeid

02-21-2008, 06:39 AM

This thread is absolutely worthless and retarded. If you think that what he said was wrong in any way then you need to go soak your head.

And soaking one's head accomplishes.....?

shinerbock

02-21-2008, 07:56 AM

I don't even think it is a poor choice of words. He may wish he hadn't phrased it like that, but I think it was perfectly suitable for what he was trying to convey.

PhiGam

02-21-2008, 01:34 PM

I don't even think it is a poor choice of words. He may wish he hadn't phrased it like that, but I think it was perfectly suitable for what he was trying to convey.
Agreed 100%.
Liberals are only making him bigger and stronger with this BS. Giving him public attention when a majority of the American public agrees with him on this issue... stupid.

nittanyalum

02-21-2008, 01:45 PM

^^^Even I agree with you all on this and I can't stand O'Reilly.

PhiGam

02-21-2008, 02:07 PM

^^^Even I agree with you all on this and I can't stand O'Reilly.
I'm not a fan either but this is absolutely ridiculous.

pinkies up

02-21-2008, 09:50 PM

Well, you're attempting to rally a group of people to lynch O'Reilly, when there's really no need for the torches at all.

See? That's not racist - in fact, there were "lynch mobs" before there were ever slaves in the United States. The ignorant connotation behind lynchings is somewhat specific, as we can show:

"He's getting lynched by the media!" <-- No connotation at all, but still probably something to avoid in direct reference to a black person because of historical racist crimes. O'Reilly forgot the second part, but the first part was exactly the opposite of how you described it. He likely would use that term in other situations, and likely has. I use it all the time - but then again, I'm from the north.

"(Something along the lines of) hang her from a tree!" <-- direct, explicit connection to abhorrent acts in the deep south. Inappropriate in almost every context. NOT how O'Reilly used the term.

Your point only stands on its own merits if he had actually said something directly offensive, as in the second case. He didn't - you're really projecting here. The term "lynch" is a completely valid descriptor, after all.

Mentioning the word lynch and a black person isn't the smartest thing to do. There is no "oh, I didn't mean it like that":rolleyes: Get real.

PhiGam

02-25-2008, 01:17 AM

Mentioning the word lynch and a black person isn't the smartest thing to do. There is no "oh, I didn't mean it like that":rolleyes: Get real.
Reading the transcripts makes it blatantly obvious that he in fact DID NOT mean it "like that." Its actually a smart move on his part because if this becomes a controversy then he becomes more famous and liberals look ridiculous.

PhiGam

02-25-2008, 01:18 AM

And soaking one's head accomplishes.....?
Think about it... if somebody submerges their head in water what happens? :eek:

DeltAlum

02-25-2008, 11:43 AM

Think about it... if somebody submerges their head in water what happens? :eek:
They hold their breath, their hair gets wet, and then they surface.

All of these guys, liberal and conservative, take themselves way too seriously.

And some of us take them too seriously as well.

pinkies up

02-26-2008, 09:02 PM

Reading the transcripts makes it blatantly obvious that he in fact DID NOT mean it "like that." Its actually a smart move on his part because if this becomes a controversy then he becomes more famous and liberals look ridiculous.

:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

shinerbock

02-26-2008, 09:05 PM

:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

And there goes any rational discussion. Complete and utter cop-out.

macallan25

02-26-2008, 09:47 PM

:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

Every comment you have made in this thread is borderline idiotic.

"Some people will never learn racism"???? Are you kidding me?

pinkies up

02-26-2008, 09:52 PM

Every comment you have made in this thread is borderline idiotic.

"Some people will never learn racism"???? Are you kidding me?

Mr. Dumass-

I live in Mississippi. I know racisim like none other. The comment you just made isn't borderline idiotic, it's down right idiotic. To say, or infer, that you would lynch someone, or hunt them down, especially a black person, that is inappropriate. :mad:

shinerbock

02-26-2008, 09:55 PM

Please show me where he said he'd lynch a black person. He said he would NOT join a lynch mob against her.

macallan25

02-26-2008, 09:57 PM

Mr. Dumass-

Well that's ironic.

I live in Mississippi. I know racisim like none other. The comment you just made isn't borderline idiotic, it's down right idiotic. To say, or infer, that you would lynch someone, or hunt them down, especially a black person, that is inappropriate. :mad:

That's great. Apparently you don't know grammar though.

For anyone to take Bill O'Reilly's comment as "racist" is absurdly ridiculous. Learn some reading comprehension and how to put words into context and get back to all of us. He said he WOULD NOT JOIN a lynch mob against her.

Everyone in this thread = 1 You = 0

DSTCHAOS

02-26-2008, 10:26 PM

:rolleyes: whatever. Some people will never understand racisim.

I said the same thing (about you) when I read your post. :)

DSTCHAOS

02-26-2008, 10:29 PM

I live in Mississippi. I know racisim like none other.

Because you live in Mississippi? Does this mean that everyone in Mississippi knows racism and understands it beyond its overt form? Please say "no" because the answer is "no."

DSTCHAOS

02-26-2008, 10:32 PM

macallan25

02-26-2008, 11:18 PM

His comment was ill placed and the outcome could've been racist if the context was different. But that wasn't the case.

And to assert that O'Reilly himself is racist is silly to me. It's not the first time I've heard that assertion and I'm still wondering what information that is based on.

Exactly.

PhiGam

02-27-2008, 02:55 PM

DSTCHAOS

02-27-2008, 04:00 PM

If he is racist then this certainly doesn't prove anything.

Huh?

pinkies up

02-27-2008, 05:09 PM

Well that's ironic.

That's great. Apparently you don't know grammar though.

For anyone to take Bill O'Reilly's comment as "racist" is absurdly ridiculous. Learn some reading comprehension and how to put words into context and get back to all of us. He said he WOULD NOT JOIN a lynch mob against her.

Everyone in this thread = 1 You = 0

Can YOU read??? I am so done with trying to point out the obvious to people who have their blinders on. I know when to get the hell on and let the simple minded people have their way. Keep thinking that Bill O. isn't racist and that he didn't "mean" it in that context. As for the cute little score card, it isn't about who doesn't think it was a stupid ass comment to make, it's about the fact that we keep on accepting these comments and saying "he didn't mean it". So, I guess if he had called her the n-word, your argument would have been "he used the n-word that ends with an a, so it's okay.":rolleyes:

I just know to stay away from certain GCers; don't want to get lynched...by the mob. Oh, I didn't mean it like it sounded. :rolleyes::cool:

pinkies up

02-27-2008, 05:10 PM

Because you live in Mississippi? Does this mean that everyone in Mississippi knows racism and understands it beyond its overt form? Please say "no" because the answer is "no."

I'll have to ask the people whose family members were killed by lynching. The kind Bill O. said he wasn't "talking" about.

DSTCHAOS

02-27-2008, 05:14 PM

I'll have to ask the people whose family members were killed by lynching. The kind Bill O. said he wasn't "talking" about.

No need. The answer is "no."

DSTCHAOS

02-27-2008, 05:16 PM

Can YOU read??? I am so done with trying to point out the obvious to people who have their blinders on. I know when to get the hell on and let the simple minded people have their way. Keep thinking that Bill O. isn't racist and that he didn't "mean" it in that context. As for the cute little score card, it isn't about who doesn't think it was a stupid ass comment to make, it's about the fact that we keep on accepting these comments and saying "he didn't mean it". So, I guess if he had called her the n-word, your argument would have been "he used the n-word that ends with an a, so it's okay.":rolleyes:

I just know to stay away from certain GCers; don't want to get lynched...by the mob. Oh, I didn't mean it like it sounded. :rolleyes::cool:

Are you okay?

macallan25

02-28-2008, 12:41 AM

pinkies up

02-28-2008, 08:10 PM

Are you okay?

I'm good Sistergreek. Some people just don't know how to agree to disagree.

pinkies up

02-28-2008, 08:10 PM

Xanax.

Reality check. :cool:

DSTCHAOS

02-28-2008, 08:42 PM

I'm good Sistergreek. Some people just don't know how to agree to disagree.

You started the intolerance for other viewpoints, Sistergreek.

ETA: I disagree with your interpretation of O'Reilly's comment but I understand that a lot of people interpreted it the way you did. However, in my disagreement with you, you didn't roll your eyes at me and say "some people will never understand racism." ;)

macallan25

02-28-2008, 08:50 PM

Reality check. :cool:

I am well in check with the "reality" of that situation. Everyone else seems to be as well.........except you.

:removeblinders

pinkies up

02-28-2008, 10:04 PM

You started the intolerance for other viewpoints, Sistergreek.

ETA: I disagree with your interpretation of O'Reilly's comment but I understand that a lot of people interpreted it the way you did. However, in my disagreement with you, you didn't roll your eyes at me and say "some people will never understand racism." ;)

point taken Sistergreek.;)

PhiGam

02-29-2008, 03:43 AM

Because you live in Mississippi? Does this mean that everyone in Mississippi knows racism and understands it beyond its overt form? Please say "no" because the answer is "no."
There is a spot on my campus that they used to lynch black americans on and I don't dare pretend that I "understand" it. This whole thing makes no sense to me but I can say that what Bill O. said was NOT racist and that the word lynch is not necessarily racist either. Its a word that existed long before and will exist long after the tragic lynchings of blacks during the long period of systematic racism in America.

DSTCHAOS

02-29-2008, 08:21 AM

This whole thing makes no sense to me but I can say that what Bill O. said was NOT racist and that the word lynch is not necessarily racist either. Its a word that existed long before and will exist long after the tragic lynchings of blacks during the long period of systematic racism in America.

In this instance, it is the context and not the word even if O'Reilly wasn't really attacking Michelle Obama.

People need to be aware of the context to avoid putting their foot in their mouths. The word "holocaust" also means "a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through a fire." However, people with any sense would try to avoid saying something for descriptive effect like "there was a fire at the local Jewish center...it was a holocaust" or "There was a holocaust at this family's (and people know or find out that the family is Jewish) home this evening...police and fire officials are investigating to see what caused the fire." Jews would more than likely have a field day straightening that slip of the tongue out. And the person who made the slip of the tongue would more than likely be asked to apologize or at least be told that they should've just said "there was a massive or deadly fire," just like O'Reilly could've said he "didn't want to unfairly attack Michelle Obama."

So, no, I don't think O'Reilly is racist because it takes a lot more than what O'Reilly has said over the years for me to label someone a racist. Plus, I think that the average racist today is the covert type rather than the type to make public statements. But I'm not jumping to the other extreme of pretending that people don't have to be considerate and aware of context if they don't want their message lost because of its delivery.