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ZTAMich

05-30-2001, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by 33girl:
And George P (I think he's W's nephew) is mighty easy on the eyes. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

I second that...what eye candy he is! Kinda reminds me of JFK, jr...in a sexxy political kind of way...

One twin (jenna) is @ school in Texas and the other @ Yale (barb)...are they in an GLO yet? I know this was/is their fresh year so possibly not yet...

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KillarneyRose

05-30-2001, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by ZTAMich:
One of his neices, the exact name I cannot remember, was just pictured in Vogue or Town & Country @ a Paris debutante party...where all the debs wore haute coture dresses...she is a beauty!

Lauren Bush was in Vogue and, yes, she certainly is beautiful. As for Jeb's son, I totally agree...HOTTIE ALERT!

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USFSDTAlum

05-30-2001, 11:58 PM

Jenna is a theta

Turtlegirl

05-31-2001, 12:41 AM

Yes Jenna did get into trouble for trying to buy alcohol with someone else's ID at Chuy's (a restaurant). (I live in Austin so her every move is widely covered on the local news.) She had already gotten an MIP and was sentenced to community service on the condition that she couldn't get into any more trouble until she was 21. Since she has gotten into trouble again, she now faces consequences for her last offense as well as this one. Uh-Oh!

bucutie02

05-31-2001, 01:12 AM

Yeah i just heard about it in the news. Apparently the guy working in Chuy's at the time this happened called 911. I thought that was so stupid. Then the reporter asked some bar managers in the Houston area what they do whenever a minor wants to get alcohol and they refuse to give it to them and then ask them to leave. I guess maybe just because she is the president's daughter he felt the need to call 911?? I am sorry but their daughters' lives should be kept private- unfortunately it doesnt work that way.

By the way Jenna is the one that goes to UT and she is a Theta. I did hear though that both of the Bush sisters were at that mexican restaurant.

Salience

05-31-2001, 01:40 AM

They were both trying to buy alcohol, and I think they're a little slow mentally.

I mean, you KNOW everyone is watching you. Why go to a restaurant? The guy who called 911 is an azz, though.

SSS1365

05-31-2001, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by Hootie:
One of them was already busted for MIP at a fraternity party I believe. I think it was Jenna...doesn't she go to Texas. But she got fined and community service hours. That was all. Must be nice being the president's daughter.

I thought a fine and community service was all anybody got, at least for their first offense. Everyone I've ever known who got busted never got anything more than that... IF they even got that! But maybe the laws here are different than other parts of the country, I don't know...

33girl

05-31-2001, 03:12 PM

Laura,

MIP = Minor In Possession (of alcohol, that is)

I never knew what this was either till my high school pen pal told me! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

As far as that dude calling 911 - I think he is the mentally slow one. I can't tell you how agitated people would get around here if someone did that. What if his call had delayed a call from someone who really needed help?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/mad.gif

AKA2D '91

05-31-2001, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Salience:
I think they're a little slow mentally.

http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/roflmao.gif
ROTFLMAO@ THAT ONE! IT MUST RUN IN THE FAMILY! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif
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USFSDTAlum

05-31-2001, 06:32 PM

OK, lets pretend for a second. you're the daughter of the President of the United States and you're also part of a LARGE chapter that I'm sure has girls that are over 21. Being the daughter of the President wouldn't you just get someone older to buy your alcohol for you...is this a hard concept to understand...especially 1) knowing you are very recognizable right now and 2) that you just got arrested a month ago for a similar charge. Hello. Sounds like a cry for attention.....Or someone's on an Ego trip.
BTW i heard that she was caught using a 'doctored' ID which in most states is a felony charge while using someone else's ID is a misdeameanor for misrepresenting yourself to purchase alcohol illegally.

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juniorgrrl

05-31-2001, 08:00 PM

*sigh*

If the drinking age were 18, we wouldn't be having all this trouble. Has raising the age done anything more than criminalize a large group of people, as well as cost taxpayers more for the added burden of all the arrests for all the 18, 19 and 20 year olds who can vote, buy pornography, go to war, but can't buy a beer?

*stepping off soapbox*

Although, it was pretty dumb to be the president's daughter and try to use a fake ID.

And the guy who called 911 was a pretty big moron. Hello! Threat to safety because a 19 year old wanted a glass of wine? Hardly.

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SuperXO

05-31-2001, 08:23 PM

Yeah, I definitely think the law should be changed too. But as long as it's the law now, it should be followed and it makes me mad that she's getting off with nothing (kind of like her dad with the DUI??)

Am I wrong? I heard no charges were being filed. Hmmm, could it have ANYTHING to do with the fact that she's the president's daughter? I don't know anyone else with 2 offenses in a row that would get off this easy!!

SuperXO

06-01-2001, 01:52 AM

Yeah, I had to wonder if Jenna is a little slow mentally too. I mean, if you JUST got caught MIP last month, you'd think you'd avoid breaking the law for a LITTLE while, or at least do it on the DL. She was asking for trouble, I think!!

KSig RC

06-01-2001, 01:59 AM

ummm . . . every MIP i've ever heard of, both at home and at school, resulted in a $50 fine (or so) and not much else, as long as you were over 18 . . . this includes one from a friend who got caught w/ 3 kegs in the back of his suburban (in high school - smart kid . . . ), although now that i think about it he got a $500 fine b/c of some keg law - the grocery store they were from got a much tougher penalty. either way, simple MIP was fifty bucks straight up, no service or anything, no real court as long as you paid the ticket (for first offenses).

I guess the point is that I don't know that she got any special treatment at all - community service? For MIP? That's unheard-of a lot of places; it's a misdemeanor, that usually means a fine (see traffic tickets, etc) or something else light. Misrepresentation of age or fake ID? OK, now we're talking heavy fines or service time, but what do you want? Jail time for minor in possession? I don't think that's feasible - and what else is there? fines, and community service. That's about it. just my dime, from experience w/ that sorta ticket (although not really first-hand, thankfully!)

SSS1365

06-01-2001, 10:12 AM

THANK YOU KSig. I was beginning to think that everyone thought that people should do time in prison for an MIP! Nobody gets more than a fine or community service, so I don't think the president's daughters are getting special treatment!

AlphaXiGirl

06-01-2001, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by SuperXO:
Yeah, I definitely think the law should be changed too. But as long as it's the law now, it should be followed and it makes me mad that she's getting off with nothing (kind of like her dad with the DUI??)

Am I wrong? I heard no charges were being filed. Hmmm, could it have ANYTHING to do with the fact that she's the president's daughter? I don't know anyone else with 2 offenses in a row that would get off this easy!!

Charges were filed... Barb, MIP, and Jenna, using false identification. Barb likely will get a $500 fine, community service, and an alcohol awareness program. Jenna will face harsher punishment because it's her second offense (it's likely that she will lose her license for 90 - 120 days).

My question is, why is this news? According to local press (I'm in Austin, TX), the only newspaper around that isn't covering the case is the "Daily Texan" which is the UT student run newspaper. Congratulations to them. Is it news when any other student faces the same charges.... come on, it's a class C misdemeanor. Did she (jenna) use bad judgment? Yes. Is it news? No.

SuperXO

06-01-2001, 12:30 PM

Does anyone see some kind of ironic parallel here between this situation and the movie Traffic? Remember, the guy was the head of the DEA and his daughter was a total crack fiend? Now, the President of the US, who should be all about following our nation's laws and protecting citizens (among his many other duties) has a daughter that cannot seem to follow the law (although I admit, it's not like she's been caught freebasing). but, then again, the daughter in Traffic was somehow smart (or lucky) enough not to be caught by the authorities, like Jenna has 2 times in 5 weeks!!

BTW, thanks for the answer AlphaXiGirl. The reason it is news, IMO, is that she is the President's daughter (the irony I pointed out above). Just like why it's news when any celebrity does anything...like when Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston got married, or when Matthew Perry ran into someone's Hollywood home (and wasn't under the influence). But, what Jenna did was not only something people want to hear about, it's a purposeful disobediance of the law (and I'll say ti again...2 times in 5 weeks!!). And like I heard a journalist say last night on CNBC, if a police report is filed, it's news, it's their job to report it. End of story. As long as it's something people want to know about, too, it will be reported. If Jenna doesn't like it, she should consider becoming an activist against it, or maybe...uh...just follow the law???

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Corbin Dallas

06-01-2001, 02:18 PM

how many people do you know that got arrested for attempting to buy alcohol with a fake??? in every case i've ever heard of if they get caught be the seller, they take the id and send them on their way. the only time the cops "should" and i use that term loosely, be called, is if they were at the restaurant, someone else had a drink, and they gave it to them. but even then most places would just kick them out. 911? get real...

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AlphaXiGirl

06-01-2001, 03:17 PM

Maybe it's because I am in Austin but this was the LEAD STORY on the morning news???? It's listed at a "top story" on Foxnews.com. Okay, there's history being made in Congress, there are wars being fought overseas, US hostages have been shot in the Philippines, armed kids are keeping police at bay in Idaho, McVeigh is asking for another stay.... and the Bush twins are the lead story. Give me a break.

I don't disagree that the public finds it interesting... obviously, we're talking about it. If the media feels some sense of duty to report it - put it on page 8 where it should be.

As far as reporting on celebrities - Jenna and Barb did not ask to be celebrities. Yes, they are the President's daughters and it does (unfortunately) come with the territory. But I can't quite equate this latest reporting with reports done on "real" celebrities.... Matthew Perry, Robert Downey, Jr. etc - these are people that made a choice to be in the spotlight... there's a difference.

SuperXO

06-01-2001, 03:44 PM

Has anyone confirmed that someone actually called 911? I know that is the rumor, but I read on...it was either MSNBC or TNR that the police actually happened to be doing a sweep at that time and Jenna got caught.

Steve, the only other person I personally know who used a fake and got caught did have the police called and they suspended her and her sister's license for one year. So, I don't think it is that common to be caught, expecially twice in a row!

lifesaver

06-01-2001, 04:09 PM

I heard on the radio on my way to work this AM that there is a video tape of Jenna at a fraterenity party in austin. Apparently she is outta controll in it. I just know the greeks arent gonna come outta this looking pretty. SOMEHOW it will all be our fault.

I did it, but I wasnt the presidents kid. Shows a lack of judgement on her part. Plus, alls ya gotta do is get SOMEONE else to get it for you. Geez. Not the brightest shrub in the bushes.

InquiringMind

06-01-2001, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by USFstudent:
OK, lets pretend for a second. you're the daughter of the President of the United States and you're also part of a LARGE chapter that I'm sure has girls that are over 21. Being the daughter of the President wouldn't you just get someone older to buy your alcohol for you...is this a hard concept to understand...especially 1) knowing you are very recognizable right now and 2) that you just got arrested a month ago for a similar charge. Hello. Sounds like a cry for attention.....Or someone's on an Ego trip.

My thoughts exactly.

Turtlegirl

06-01-2001, 09:14 PM

OK I agree that the girls didn't choose their parents or choose to be famous, but they did choose to break laws. Now I don't agree with the law (I think its an infringement on our adult rights) but we all know it and if we choose to break it, we run the risk of getting caught. And any time the police are involved, the matter becomes public record so this isn't really an invasion of privacy. Of course it wouldn't be on the news if any regular kid got an MIP but that's just reality - if your dad's the president you are in the public eye. And none of us got to choose our parents or our lifestyles (not entirely anyway) so I don't really see that as being a valid argument for why they should be left alone. Just my opinion. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

33girl

06-01-2001, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by juniorgrrl:
*sigh*

If the drinking age were 18, we wouldn't be having all this trouble. Has raising the age done anything more than criminalize a large group of people, as well as cost taxpayers more for the added burden of all the arrests for all the 18, 19 and 20 year olds who can vote, buy pornography, go to war, but can't buy a beer?

*stepping off soapbox*

juniorgrrl, I've got one thing to say....AMEN.

As far as the Jenna: public figure or not? argument, the stories about any President's relation are really only published to draw negative attention to the President himself - basically "if this is his family, how can he run the country?" Can we say Billy Carter...Roger Clinton....Patti Davis...etc. etc.

KnowledgeEternal

06-02-2001, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by Turtlegirl:
OK I agree that the girls didn't choose their parents or choose to be famous, but they did choose to break laws. Now I don't agree with the law (I think its an infringement on our adult rights) but we all know it and if we choose to break it, we run the risk of getting caught. And any time the police are involved, the matter becomes public record so this isn't really an invasion of privacy. Of course it wouldn't be on the news if any regular kid got an MIP but that's just reality - if your dad's the president you are in the public eye. And none of us got to choose our parents or our lifestyles (not entirely anyway) so I don't really see that as being a valid argument for why they should be left alone. Just my opinion. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
So if your father was president and you got a ticket for something stupid like JayWalking. How would you feel about being National News for the next couple of weeks? I am not saying that what they did wasn't wrong because according to one of the Govt's many stupid laws, it was illegal; but to say that was not a valid argument does not make sense. I can see if they commited a major crime or something like the Menendez brothers; but trying to buy booze w/ a fake ID?! Come on. I don't know why this is interesting to anyone.

OTW

06-02-2001, 03:08 PM

I was watching MSNBC last night and they showed Grandma Barbara speaking at a Junior League somewhere on the East Coast. It's great to see that Grandma has a sense of humor. At the luncheon she made a joke about how Dubya raised hell as a college student. She then continued to say that his past is now coming back to haunt him and he's now going to get a taste of the headaches of being a parent.

The family has since retreated to Camp David.

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Turtlegirl

06-03-2001, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by KnowledgeEternal:
So if your father was president and you got a ticket for something stupid like JayWalking. How would you feel about being National News for the next couple of weeks? [/B]

No, I wouldn't like my every little mistake to be plastered all over the news but I would expect that it would happen. As unfair as it may seem, anything they do , good or bad, is going to be in the news because they are the president's daughters. When Jenna's appendix burst on Christmas Day and she had to have an emergency appendectomy, it was all over the news and Pres.- Elect Bush was also on the news saying how much he appreciated the public's concern and support. I just don't think you can have it both ways - being a public figure, you will receive public interest, concern AND criticism.

AKA_Monet

06-03-2001, 02:08 AM

I'm amazed that it wasn't the Secret Service who busted her--'cuz isn't the SS suppose to watch over the President's family???

And, isn't the legal drinking age on a military installation 18? I could be wrong. But, if your on "base" and you "fight" a war, you should be able to drink...

And it's really sad 'cuz maybe the girl has a problem...

LeslieAGD

06-03-2001, 12:39 PM

To Juniorgrrl: If they lower the drinking age, yes, there would be less arrests of 18,19, 20 year olds, BUT then there would be 16 & 17 year olds getting busted instead and there would be a huge rise in the number of high school kids getting in alcohol related accidents.

To AKA_Monet: Yes, you would think that the Secret Service would tell Jenna not to be a moron, but they are bodyguards not babysitters. They are there to see that she doesn't get shot, not act as her conscience.

SuperXO

06-04-2001, 12:53 PM

Leslie,
I disagree that there would be a rise in 17 and 16 year olds breaking the law if the drinking age was lowered to 18. I guess it's just an opinion, but I don't think more 16 and 17 year olds would drink underage, just because they were only 2 years or so from the legal age. They already do it a lot now. And if you change the law, at least you free up law enforcement officers to concentrate more on those age groups, since they don't have to chase down 18-20 yr olds. So, yeah, there might be a rise in arrests, but not because of a rise in committing the crime.

SSS1365

06-04-2001, 03:14 PM

I always thought it was stupid that when you turn 18, you have the right to do anything except drink. You can smoke, you can live on your own, get a job, have credit cards, even die for your country... but can you have a beer? No.

AlphaXiGirl

06-04-2001, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by localsororities:
Even more stupid than that is that our judicial system has determined that the 13 and 14 year olds out there who commit violent crimes are "old enough to know the full weight of their actions" but at 18-20 we don't know enough to drink responsibly.... I just don't see the logic in that.

That's a good point.

Also, yes, it is confirmed that a 911 call was placed from Chuy's.

I didn't see it myself although I pass by this restaurant every morning... there is a rival restaurant that has a marquee in front that typically has a kind of "thought of the day" every morning. Usually they are poking fun of someone or playing off headlines. For example, after a UT winning streak and during Pres W. Bush's campaign the sign read, "Mack Brown for Governor" (Brown is the UT Football coach).... anyway, last week, the sign read something like, Austin's #1 Snitch, Chuy's Management. (Anyone else out there in Austin see this marquee at El Arroyo?)

Another thought about the "is it news?" question: Someone mentioned Jenna's appendectomy earlier... I guess I can actually see that being in the news MORE than this alcohol thing simply because I'm sure when the media heard that a 911 call for an ambulance was placed to the Governor's Mansion there could be an assumption that something was wrong with the Governor/President Elect - that seems like more of a public interest kind of thing.

It's just a thought.

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Lisa Fishman

06-04-2001, 11:40 PM

Never once did we hear about Chelsea Clinton gettting in trouble for anything. She appeared to be the wholesome girl next door. I think it is kind of interesting that the Bush girls have been in trouble for under age drinking. Coincendently, she (Chelsea) is about the same age as the Bush girls.

Rudey

06-04-2001, 11:54 PM

"Originally posted by juniorgrrl:
*sigh*
If the drinking age were 18, we wouldn't be having all this trouble. Has raising the age done anything more than criminalize a large group of people, as well as cost taxpayers more for the added burden of all the arrests for all the 18, 19 and 20 year olds who can vote, buy pornography, go to war, but can't buy a beer?

*stepping off soapbox*"

There was a valid reason for changing the minimum drinking age. For that very reason, many European countries are considering an increase as well. European nations have the highest rate of drinking related deaths (alcohol poisoning, drunk driving, etc.). And most of those that die as a results are those within that same young age bracket. I can't remember the paper that carried this article (very likely to be NY times) but I think the numbers had become so absurdly high that it was on the same level as a more common disease like throat cancer or heart disease (can't remember the small little details - sorry). I'll try and find the article.

But then again, which college kid didn't make an attempt at drinking before they turned 21? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Corbin Dallas

06-05-2001, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by Lisa Fishman:
Never once did we hear about Chelsea Clinton gettting in trouble for anything. She appeared to be the wholesome girl next door. I think it is kind of interesting that the Bush girls have been in trouble for under age drinking. Coincendently, she (Chelsea) is about the same age as the Bush girls.

Chelsea is actually about 2-3 years older than the Bush girls, and she lived in the White House with her folks until the last 2.5 or so years of her dads presidency. I guess what I'm saying is she was practically raised in the spotlight as the presidents daughter, and the Bush girls just kind of got thrown into it at an age where almost everyone does this kind of stuff, at least to some extent.

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SH80

06-05-2001, 10:20 AM

Let's face Chelsea had more brains, so did the rest of the Clintons, on the other hand, the Bushes........well..you guys (republicans) elected him.

Corbin Dallas

06-05-2001, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by SH80:
Let's face Chelsea had more brains, so did the rest of the Clintons, on the other hand, the Bushes........well..you guys (republicans) elected him.
yeah, we all know bill was good at not getting caught with other women... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

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AKA2D '91

06-05-2001, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Corbin Dallas:
Originally posted by SH80:
Let's face Chelsea had more brains, so did the rest of the Clintons, on the other hand, the Bushes........well..you guys (republicans) elected him.
yeah, we all know bill was good at not getting caught with other women... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

the SAME goes for ALL other politicians, Democrat, Republican, or Independent! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Just don't put Bill in the "class" by himself.

AlphaXiGirl

06-05-2001, 02:01 PM

Well, if I'm doing the math correctly, Bush was elected to his first term as Governor in 1994 so I believe the girls would have been 12. But honestly, I can't remember ever seeing them in the public eye during W. Bush's terms here in Texas. You'll notice that the twins were not used during the campaign. George and Laura, in my opinion, have done a great job of sheltering them from the public eye. Unfortunately, this sheltering also means that they didn't have the experience of dealing with these sorts of issues.

As far as the Bush legacy, did any of you know that George Bush Sr. had twin grand daughters when he was in office? I bet most did not. I'm sure that I will be corrected if I'm wrong, but the first time that I can remember seeing them on TV was at the National Convention. Yes, the family may have a lot of experience dealing with the public spotlight but the twins haven't.

This was taken from CNN.com (Jan 19, 2000), in an article about the NH primary:

Family members who definitely won't be campaigning here are twin daughters Jenna and Barbara, both 18.

"They weren't real thrilled" with their father running for president, Bush said during an interview. "They kind of like privacy."

Bush recalled last summer attending an Austin High School baseball game where a boyfriend of Jenna's was pitching.

"I did an interview on television and mentioned that the two were friends," Bush said.

"Boy, did I hear about that the next morning. It's the last personal story I told about them, I'll tell you that."

Again, I'll say it, Jenna did show a lack of good judgment. I still don't agree with the publicity that this thing has gotten. Oh, and, please don't confuse intelligence with lack of good judgment - I have no idea how smart either of the girls are but I do know some really smart people that have done some really dumb things.

SuperXO - it seems like we are going to keep having a difference of opinion on this topic. Please don't take any of my comments or rebuttals personally. I know from past posts (on different topics) that you and I agree on much more than we disagree.

USFSDTAlum

06-05-2001, 03:16 PM

Chelsea Clinton and I are very close in age and some of my friends from my neighborhood went to Sidwell Friends (where she grad from) so I knew of her on a personal level. I don't believe that you can compare the first daughters getting into trouble from a standpoint of their upbringing. From what I know of Chelsea she has a much more reserved personality, where Barbara and Jenna seem much more lively and outgoing. Just my 2 cents

SuperXO

06-05-2001, 03:44 PM

AlphaXi, of course I would not take any comments personally! I enjoy a good debate and offering of different views.

That said, I still feel like being in a family like that, people leanr about social prominence, propriety and role models. I hear this especially from Southern people, thouhg I know other geographic areas have strict social hierarchies too. Even if the family is not "famous" or political, they have to be careful because the neighborhood knows or the political circle will find out or any number of other groups. Even "small-scale" families can be "anal" about that. LIke remember in American Beauty, wasn't there something about the mom being mad at the husband for his behavior and how he got the job at mcdonald's and all hat. And she was only trying to protect her small town realtor's rep. Even if you try to protect your child from scrutiny, the Bushes are certainly on the higher end of scrutiny and I think if they refused to be realistic with their daughters about the scrutiny they would face, they were somewhat irresponsible.

Maybe I, in Califnornia, didn't know till about 2 years ago about Bush's twin daughters, but that circle of knowledge didn't just appear one day. It begins small. And with the Bushes, small is still a big social circle. And it grows as certain people enter the limelight more. So, I feel confident that even when the girls were young, proactical people would know that other people were wathcing. Whether it was just the people in their town where the ranch was or, like now, the whole country, the Bushes have always been news.

Rudey

06-05-2001, 10:26 PM

"From what I know of Chelsea she has a much more reserved personality, where Barbara and Jenna seem much more lively and outgoing. Just my 2 cents."

Not quite what I heard from friends who went to college with her. Let's just say she did party and drink. Also, I believe she had a bit of a fetish for guys on the swim team. It wasn't that she was more reserved. Her school was different and smaller. She would also go places privately, not with a large sorority.

KillarneyRose

06-05-2001, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Rudey:
"From what I know of Chelsea she has a much more reserved personality, where Barbara and Jenna seem much more lively and outgoing. Just my 2 cents."

Not quite what I heard from friends who went to college with her. Let's just say she did party and drink. Also, I believe she had a bit of a fetish for guys on the swim team. It wasn't that she was more reserved. Her school was different and smaller. She would also go places privately, not with a large sorority.

Hi everyone! I guess I have two little mini-topics for this post:

1. I know we haven't heard much about Chelsea Clinton while at Stanford. I may be wrong, but I believe that I heard when she started school there that the school newspaper's editor or a writer was fired because he wrote or intended to write about Chelsea. Anyone else heard this? That could definitely account for the lack of press she received while there.

2. As far as the Bush twins...there are things I did as a 19 year-old that wouldn't bear close scrutiny and I am thankful that I didn't make my mistakes in front of a national audience! I would also hate for my mom and dad's parenting skills to be judged based solely on how I acted when I was a college freshman away from home for the first time!

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AKA2D '91

06-05-2001, 11:01 PM

Originally posted by KillarneyRose:
1. I know we haven't heard much about Chelsea Clinton while at Stanford. I may be wrong, but I believe that I heard when she started school there that the school newspaper's editor or a writer was fired because he wrote or intended to write about Chelsea. Anyone else heard this? That could definitely account for the lack of press she received while there.

I don't know if most of you all were old enough to really remember, but when Clinton took office the first time, '92, he insisted that the media "lay off" Chelsea. That would include Stanford's campus paper. Throughout his presidency, the media did just that. Whenever Chelsea was seen was when they went on trips abroad, campaigning for Hilary, etc.

Whatever she did pre-college and away at school was pretty much "hush, hush".

ZTAMich

06-05-2001, 11:17 PM

SuperXO

06-06-2001, 01:09 AM

Originally posted by Corbin Dallas:
Chelsea is actually about 2-3 years older than the Bush girls, and she lived in the White House with her folks until the last 2.5 or so years of her dads presidency. I guess what I'm saying is she was practically raised in the spotlight as the presidents daughter, and the Bush girls just kind of got thrown into it at an age where almost everyone does this kind of stuff, at least to some extent.

I disagree. The Bush grils were raised in the spotlight just like Chelsea, or more so. They are part of an American dynasty...the Bush family, so they've been semi-famous since they were born. And their own father has been governor since they were what? 10 or so? So, even though Chelsea's dad was also governor, she didn't have the family legacy. I think if anything, the Bush girls are part of a family that should know about being in the public eye more so than the Clinton's. even the girls's great-grandfather was a congressman!

AXO Alum

06-06-2001, 12:41 PM

At least we no longer have a sitting president who turned his face to the cameras for all of America and the world to see, and say that he did not have an improper relationship with a woman -- and then later admitted (to some degree) that he did. But that doesn't matter since he was a democrat - it was perfectly acceptable the same way it is that Jesse Jackson has had a child from an affiar even though he is a REVEREND and a PROCLAIMED Christian (hmmm...something about 10 commandments and adultery and lying all keep coming to mind...)

I think that it shows some degree of candor with Bush that he hasn't been running around hiring every political analyst he can find to cover up and put a spin on what his children are doing.

Yes - people make mistakes -- but they shouldn't be lying about them nor making their mistakes in the oval office and heaven knows where else on the tax payers dime. I don't pay for my own sex -- I sure don't want to pay for anyone elses! But there's a fine line between what's right, and what's left http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

If the government can tell men at 18 years old to go pick up a gun and run off to die for their country, then they surely can allow people of the same age to have a drink.

And let me just stand at the front of the class with my hand raised for all the world to see -- and no I'm not going to lie like Slick Willy....

I, AXO Alum, did drink underage, and did also purchase alcohol underage -- from a Mexican restaurant among others -- and no one thought it was national news for me. Come on - let's all admit it -- raise your hand if you drank and/or purchased underage....

SuperXO

06-06-2001, 02:04 PM

AXO Alum, the difference is the irony, IMO. Clinton never claimed that he was bringing morality and family values back to the white house (like Bush, Quayle and other repubs have made their platform). So, yeah, Clinton shouldn't have done certain things, but at least he never promised us he wouldn't do them. Bush was all about family values and the irony (although not law-breaking) on his part was that either he considers his daughter's 2 run-ins with the law and 3 other "incidents" to be what makes up "family values" or he is advocating something he has an unusually hard time (more than, like I've said before, anyone I have EVER known) performing himslef (i.e. his expectations of others are higher than his expectations of himself or personal abilities.

AXO Alum

06-06-2001, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by SuperXO:
Clinton never claimed that he was bringing morality and family values back to the white house

He still lied to everyone and really couldn't care less that he did it.

I am not one to mud sling or bring in family matters when campaigning -- I've got a couple in my family that could really hurt my brother's political career. I just think its a shame that the American people thought it was just fine and dandy for Slick Willy to carry on in the White House, with no problems, but yet the same people want to freak out when Bush's daughters are busted for drinking. I think there is a HUGE difference between what a president is doing WHILE he is still president, and what his kids or family members are doing.

Like I said - the media and the left wing doesn't give a hoot what a democrat is doing in the White House. But with a republican president, his family is always in the spotlight. By the way -- I am looking forward to getting my tax refund check...

About the Bush girls -- where is the Secret Service? They were the ones running around covering up for Slick Willy -- you'd think they'd be looking out for the Bush twins. And they are technically baby-sitters -- they are to protect the president and his family at all times, and I think that they could and should have stepped in. If you are willing to take a bullet for someone, wouldn't you be willing to stop them from creating a scandal which could ultimately cost you your job?

SuperXO

06-06-2001, 03:31 PM

Yeah, the publicity surrounding Bill's scandal was almost nil, huh? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

It got way more publicity than this...which is proper. I haven't even seen this on the news for a few days (except maybe Entertainment tonight)...and during Clinton's scandal, it was all over everything for 8 straight months. again, totally as it should be...but I think you representing the news media as not covering the Clinton affair is laughable. Were you out of the country...or maybe not even on the planet that year?

About the Secret Service, yeah, you would THINK someone would say, "Hey, not such a good idea to be doing that..." but as we've heard others say, maybe that's not strictly part of their job description. Whatever, I just don't like my tax money (under Clinton or Bush) to be spent following teenagers in high speed car chases, bailing people out of jail or protecting someone who's been adulterous...

KSig RC

06-07-2001, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Rudey:

There was a valid reason for changing the minimum drinking age. For that very reason, many European countries are considering an increase as well. European nations have the highest rate of drinking related deaths (alcohol poisoning, drunk driving, etc.). And most of those that die as a results are those within that same young age bracket. I can't remember the paper that carried this article (very likely to be NY times) but I think the numbers had become so absurdly high that it was on the same level as a more common disease like throat cancer or heart disease (can't remember the small little details - sorry). I'll try and find the article.
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whoa - i was taught in modern history class that the reason was pretty much reactionary, as an unfounded attempt to make the public feel better about drunk driving (which, if anyone here is old enough to remember [i'm not], wasn't considered uncommon or criminal 40 years ago - once it was realized it was a problem, public opinion turned hard). It came up in class as a comparison to the illegalization of marijuana, which was based on lobbying action from tobacco producers who didn't want the competition and made it a scapegoat. Didn't the change to 21 occur roughly around the change to 55mph - also, this is why the age limit (set by states) is actually tied to the federal gov't (as the states will lose highway funding) - missouri was 18 until relatively recently, as an example.

Also, i was under the impression Canada (as an example) has a significantly lower occurance of drunk driving deaths and alcoholism - maybe my facts are wrong, can anyone help w/ this (and maybe extend it to europe)?

Anyway - thanks, good post

Rudey

06-07-2001, 03:43 AM

One in four young males in Europe dies an alcohol related death according to the World Health Organization (WHO). I have no idea whatsoever regarding Canada. And while tobacco did lobby against marijuana, I think that is a skewed statement. I think it would be more proper to say that they lobbied so nicotine wouldn't be considered a controlled substance by the FDA. They did definitely lobby against marijuana though. But alcohol companies have strong lobbying groups as well - don't forget. The reason why states would lose Federal highway funding is something more related to the rights of individual states and not an omnipotent federal government. Plus many roads do go above 55 (NJ highways come to mind)...ok back to work http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Originally posted by KSig RC:
whoa - i was taught in modern history class that the reason was pretty much reactionary, as an unfounded attempt to make the public feel better about drunk driving (which, if anyone here is old enough to remember [i'm not], wasn't considered uncommon or criminal 40 years ago - once it was realized it was a problem, public opinion turned hard). It came up in class as a comparison to the illegalization of marijuana, which was based on lobbying action from tobacco producers who didn't want the competition and made it a scapegoat. Didn't the change to 21 occur roughly around the change to 55mph - also, this is why the age limit (set by states) is actually tied to the federal gov't (as the states will lose highway funding) - missouri was 18 until relatively recently, as an example.

Also, i was under the impression Canada (as an example) has a significantly lower occurance of drunk driving deaths and alcoholism - maybe my facts are wrong, can anyone help w/ this (and maybe extend it to europe)?

Anyway - thanks, good post