What about Sorors who...

[DELTABRAT]

What's Up Frat:

Much love to my bruhs of Omega Psi Phi and (of course) the DevaSTating Sorors of DST:

Just a question for the Bruhs and Sorors:

What do you think of Sorors who choose not to give "love" to the bruhs. I know some Sorors who feel it is their prerogative to hug the bruhs or not hug the bruhs.

Do you think the bruhs should feel "entitled" to get love from Sorors regardless of what type of "ordeals" Sorors may have had with bruhs in the past.

I know some Sorors who would prefer the bruh not put his leg up/lick her ears when she is going to hug him. As a result, she may feel awckward hugging the bruhs...period.

Is this a problem to bruhs?

Sorors, how do you feel?



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[dyhardque]

It is the prerogative of the sorors whether or not they wish to have any type of relationship with the bruhs. This is tradition, but not something that we are obligated to participate in.
Having said that, it should be known and understood that the bruhs love the sorors and the bond that we have. I recognize that sorors may have had negative experiences with SOME bruhs. Fact is, bruhs have had some bad experinces with other bruhs. Certainly there are bad apples in every bunch. Overall bruhs have nothing but respect for sorors.

Also understand that the bruhs are very close. We show love in a lot of different ways. That is not to say that ear licking and the like is acceptable, but don't expect every bruh to act like that. We love you. Let a bruh know that you want a hug that won't get you pregnant. If you don't want hug him then don't. Be nice in spite of someone that is not be civil.

I have nothing but love for the sorors and I hate it when sorors have a bad impression of the bruhs, but I do understand. Let keep the bond strong.

and I'm gone

[DELTABRAT]

Thanks Frat for you sincere response. I agree wholeheartedly.

PEACE

[DoggyStyle82]

Deltabrat: never fear the Bruhs, its all love. Of course there are some ignorant Bruhs (stay away from the drunk ones and you will be fine) I love the Sorors (can I say that?) and I always greet them with a "friendly" hug. Never heard of the earlick or giving a Red the "leg". ROOOO Dyhardque.

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[DELTABRAT]

What's Up DoggyStyle?

Don't get me wrong. I love the Bruhs. It's just that i have seen this before and have read about it in another thread.

I agree that the drunken Bruhs are to be approached with caution, but otherwise it's all good. I have gotten my ears licked before, but I haven't written the Bruhs off as just overboard, to the point wehre I would not want to "give love" anymore.

Anyway, just wanted to clarify.

PEACE.

To Everyone...we have very inteliigent Frat and Sorors around these parts. Post interesting topics PLEASE...I would love to respond and be a part.

[Sexy Mocha]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DoggyStyle82:
(stay away from the drunk ones and you will be fine)

LOL!! True words of wisdom!

[DoggyStyle82]

SexyMocha, what a nice name. You must know how hyped and "friendly" (passionate?) bruhs are to begin with. Add a little (or a lot) of brew and/or Omega Oil, and the naturally rambunctious Bruh becomes especially hard to handle. Present company excluded of course!!!

[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82:
SexyMocha, what a nice name. You must know how hyped and "friendly" (passionate?) bruhs are to begin with. Add a little (or a lot) of brew and/or Omega Oil, and the naturally rambunctious Bruh becomes especially hard to handle. Present company excluded of course!!!

Hyped and friendly is putting it mildly! I don't know what Omega Oil is, but there should be some kind of bill passed prohibiting the mixing of Ques and alcohol http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif. I've been around my share of Omegas, and as charming and intelligent as I know you men are http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif...you guys can get just a wee bit out of hand at times! (Present company excluded of course!)

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[Cream Puff]

Mocha, you are crazy girl! I don't even want to know what Omega Oil is!

[DoggyStyle82]

Cream Puff and Mocha, you mean to tell me that you have never been to The Omega Drip sponsored by Epsilon Chapter?. The Drip is flowing with Omega Oil. Suffice it to say, Omega Oil is a libation that enhances that "nothin but the Dog in me attitude"

[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by DoggyStyle82:
Cream Puff and Mocha, you mean to tell me that you have never been to The Omega Drip sponsored by Epsilon Chapter?. The Drip is flowing with Omega Oil. Suffice it to say, Omega Oil is a libation that enhances that "nothin but the Dog in me attitude"


No, I have never been to The Omega Drip http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif...but thanks for explaining what Omega Oil is! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[the411]

This is an interesting question, Soror! I am one of those old fashioned, southern Sorors (Mississippi native) who is all about Coleman Love. However, I pledged in Ohio, and up here many Sorors stand firmly by the protocol that says that we have no bond or official sibling relationship with Omega Psi Phi.

Shortly after I crossed, my chapter advisor and one of my Bigs "told me off" when I was telling them how much love the bruhs at a nearby school had shown me when they found out I'd just crossed. I told them that the bruhs were caling me "soror" and giving me tight hugs; basically both my advisor and my Big told me that I have no respect for Delta if I let someone who is not a Delta call me "Soror." They also told me that it was ridiculous of me to let some Ques disrespect me by hugging on me! I took heed to their comments, knowing that they were just looking out for the best interest of a neo. Still, I ultimately made the decision to keep tradition alive by giving and receiving Coleman Love wherever I go. Besides, having studied five LONG years of Latin, I know that "soror" simply means "sister." And I'd like to think that I am deemed a sister by every black man and woman in this world!

This is an issue for Deltas everywhere, and I know it has bothered many of our Omega brothers who, like me, see the Que-Delta bond as a way of greek life. We know we're not constitutionally bound, but we do it out of tradition-- it's one of the very few positive traditions we have left since pledging has gone so out-of-wack. In my opinion it is harmless, but many sorors think it's wrong. Those of us who don't are often scorned or looked down on by those sorors who have a problem with it.

Fact is, we won't always agree on every little greek detail about our organizations. I am just happy when we agree to join together and carry out our goals and missions, virtues and oaths for the good of the communities we serve. Both the members fo Delta Sigma Theta AND the members of Omega Psi Phi have done an EXCELLENT job of that, and that's all that REALLY matters! I have nothing but MAD LOVE for the Sorors who aren't with that Coleman Love thang, but trust me when I say "OOP-ROO" forever and always!



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[DELTABRAT]

Soror:

Very well said.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by the411:
However, I pledged in Ohio, and up here many Sorors stand firmly by the protocol that says that we have no bond or official sibling relationship with Omega Psi Phi.


Most of the Sorors that I have met from Ohio show mad love for the Bruhs (Univ of Cincinnati, especially) However, many protocol restricted members seemed to be bothered by the love. I think that they have a problem with informality and the lack of there being any constitutional or formal bond. I know of other Deltas (hostess of another forum especially) who dislikes Coleman Love and our shared history. Share the love. It was abundant in Chicago!!!!

[Reds695]

I have nothing but love for my Sorors and the Bruhs. We have a strong history together. In knowing our history we would understand why there is so much love and so many connections with the Bruhs. Of course it is one's choice to live the way they want to live do what they want, but i don't find there to be any harm in showing the Bruhs love and greeting and hugging them when you see them. Where I'm from its kind of disrespectful not to show love from both ends. Many feel the Bruhs are over bearing but to get to know them is to love them and to know that they have your back.

[DeltaDiva]

Bruhs do and always will get much love from me. No we don't have some piece of paper saying that we are brothers and sisters but the fine men of Omega Psi Phi helped my 22 beloved founders in a time of need! Besides if Edna Brown Coleman can show mad love for a bruh so can I.


MUCH COLEMAN LOVE,
DeltaDiva
P.S. To all my beautiful sorors ooooo-oop!

[tyshaun]

I just have a question, and if its something that cant be answered, then ill know why my post was deleted. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif but i just wanted to know is Omega Oil something different from Que Juice, or is it a terratorial(sp?) thing?

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by tyshaun:
I just have a question, and if its something that cant be answered, then ill know why my post was deleted. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif but i just wanted to know is Omega Oil something different from Que Juice, or is it a terratorial(sp?) thing?

Omega Oil is special, Que Juice is not.

[truly inspired]

As an neo, just reaching AKAland I personally try to show love to all greeks but truthfully, before becoming greek, I was really intimidated by the Ques. When I see the bruhs on my campus do certain thangs, like grinding on eachothers behinds I just wonder what they are about. Really "close" I guess. But at the same time, on my campus my prophytes have a better relationship with the Ques in general, than the Alphas. I think, once a soror gets to know the individual members, she may not be so intimidated. Its also easier, at least for me, to deal with your own sandz. To end it all, I think the reason some sorors, from any sorority may not show love to Ques is because she is scared of them.
Why are Ques so wild (at least generally/ stereotypically) anyway?

[Diva_01]

I wish I had some bruhs here to show love to!I haven't met hardly any since I've crossed! Come visit me! Xavier University and University of Cincinnati bruhs seem nonexistent. And can someone please tell me, how do you greet one another??? It's different everytime i turn around!

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[CrimsonRage]

Originally posted by truly inspired:
When I see the bruhs on my campus do certain thangs, like grinding on eachothers behinds I just wonder what they are about. Really "close" I guess.

Bruhs??? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif You're an aka, right?

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LAMBDA
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[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by Diva_01:
I wish I had some bruhs here to show love to!I haven't met hardly any since I've crossed! Come visit me! Xavier University and University of Cincinnati bruhs seem nonexistent. And can someone please tell me, how do you greet one another??? It's different everytime i turn around!



Sorry to say, but the Bruhs in Cincinnati have been suspended for a while. They should be coming back soon but its been at least 3 or 4 years. Its a shame because they were some damn good Bruhs. You would have had fun with them.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by truly inspired:
As an neo, just reaching AKAland I personally try to show love to all greeks but truthfully, before becoming greek, I was really intimidated by the Ques. When I see the bruhs on my campus do certain thangs, like grinding on eachothers behinds I just wonder what they are about. Really "close" I guess. But at the same time, on my campus my prophytes have a better relationship with the Ques in general, than the Alphas. I think, once a soror gets to know the individual members, she may not be so intimidated. Its also easier, at least for me, to deal with your own sandz. To end it all, I think the reason some sorors, from any sorority may not show love to Ques is because she is scared of them.
Why are Ques so wild (at least generally/ stereotypically) anyway?

To know the Bruhs is to love them, for the uninitiated, it can be intimidating. That is what makes the QUES special and a cut above. I think you may have mis-interpreted "the grinding on each other" for a step routine or something, definitely a misconception. Reach out and touch, face your fears and be amazed by an Omega. We're all bark anyway. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by CrimsonRage:
Bruhs??? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif You're an aka, right?



I see my soror has not yet responded, so I will take the liberty. Yes, as stated, she is a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority. She referred to the Omegas as "the bruhs" not my bruhs. The bruhs is short for the brothers of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity Incorporated...as to avoid typing (or saying) this title in informal settings , it is commom place for people (not just Deltas) to simply refer to them as the bruhs. I hope this clarifies things for you.



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[CrimsonRage]

Out of respect for MY Bruhs house........I will leave this one alone. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

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[PlainJane]

I'm not trying to start anything. I'd just like to be educated. Omega Psi Phi and Delta Sigma Theta are not officially a brother and sister organization, so what difference does it make if a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha refers to an Omega as "Bruh"??

I understand the Coleman Love debate, but thats between the Deltas and Ques. But for a Delta to question a member of another sorority for making a "Bruh" reference to Omega Psi Phi, well, seems a little too...well....testy..or catty...maybe these aren't the right words, but I hope you guys understand what I'm saying. Again, I do not want to offend anybody, I just want to be educated.

[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by CrimsonRage:
Out of respect for MY Bruhs house........I will leave this one alone. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif



http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

[Mecca01]

Oh I see, I'll stay out of the fire....

[PlainJane]

You know what you're right!!!

[DoggyStyle82]

I guess it depends on where you are from and how things are said. However unofficial the brother/sister relationship between Delta and Omega, it is very real in many places and is taken very seriously, nut that is up to individual chapters.

On the question at hand, it depends. To me, a Delta can say "my Bruh/s". But in some places, Omegas are simply known as or referred to as "da Bruhs" by other sororities because in their neck of the woods, the term only referred to men of Omega (especially on the east coast like in Philly and NYC). I know that AKAs have asked me before "where is the Bruhs cookout?" or "are the Bruhs stepping in the show?", with the term being used in the generic sense and not the possessive sense as a Sista of DST has the familiarity to do so.

That probably didn't explain anything, but thats my take on it. I guess it really depends on where you are from and what you are used to.

BTW, thanks CrimsonRage for feeling so possessive. Its nice to be wanted by someone other than the law http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[mccoyred]

DoggyStyle and all MY Bruhs, please forgive me BUT...

Plain Jane, your comments are obviously an attempt to 'suck up' to the AKAs (I got love for MY Greek sisters http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif ) BUT we have an unspoken rule here on GC (since you ARE new and all http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif ) :

"those who know, SPEAK; those who don't, sit back and LEARN"

Since you are NOT a Delta, an AKA or an Omega ( http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif oops! You are not even Greek!), obviously yo do not fall into the category of those who KNOW...sooooo...

*Now, back to our regularly scheduled program*


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Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

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[#1 Leading Lady]

FYI for those who feel that they must stick there nose in to other peoples business....

Coleman Love exist between the Delta's and Omega's ....MY BRUHS that's right I said it MY BRUHS http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif just as MY BRUHS address Delta's as SOROR or RED

Now why NON-GREEKS and GREEKS for that matter have a Problem with this I don't know. Do you hear anyone tripping about the the men of Alpha Phi Alpha and the ladies of Alpha Kappa Alpha being the First Family??? ( No disrespect intended )

NO!! So please don't trip off the Coleman Love between MY SOROR AND MY BRUHS!!! BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW NOW YOU DO.....THE BOND OF A DELTA AND AN OMEGA CAN NEVER EVER BE BROKEN!!!!

OOOP-ROOOOOOO to all MY FINE, INTELLIGENT, BRUHS.


I'm OUT!!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

[CrimsonRage]

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
What's Up Frat:

Much love to my bruhs of Omega Psi Phi and (of course) the DevaSTating Sorors of DST:

Just a question for the Bruhs and Sorors:


Ok, so that pretty much sums this part of my response up for miss sexy mocha...now on to miss plain janem actually this sums up much of my response to you as well, seeing as how you fit into neither catagory...

The remainder of my response to you, plain jane, is that as my soror mccoyred has stated, this is an issue that those who are members of glos are, or at leasr should be very familiar with. First of all, the phrase "the bruhs" orginally was reserved for only members of Omega Psi Phi but as the things relaxed a bit throughout the century my sorors, who "unofficially" as you have pointed out, have taken on the ability to refer to them as that as well..ONLY because historically, not officially they are our bruhs. Now, as for the commonality of the phrase "the bruhs" being prevelant throughout the country or from place to place for all sororities, where I am from that is not done..PERIOD. That is like me referring to the Alphas as "the bruhs". That's not respectful to those members of that particular "family" for whom that phrase is reserved. It makes no sense. Now, some Omegas, as I am now aware, do not have a problem with other members of various sororities referring to them as "the bruhs" but even more DO have a problem with it and will not only look at you like you were never taught whose familiy you do belong to but will actually call you on it. This is precisely because of the reasons DoggyStyle mentioned: this is relationship that is taken very seriously. Now, my dear, since you are new to greek chat and you have plunged right in with your critical and even more so disrespectful comments toward members to my organization, allow me to school you a bit on GC etiquette:

1) Do read the title of posts and intitial statement made by the thread starter..this actually goes for EVERYONE! The particualr thread may not be one in which your comments are welcomed.

2) If you are aware of the familiy relationship, namely the Coleman bond, then refrain from getting involved in Coleman related issues.

3) Again, since you are aware that this IS a family, then do NOT make derrogatory, disrespectful, or rude comments to the Sorors who constitute the members of the said family.

4)Finally, this tends to be a positive forum and message board so basically , leave the quick snappish attitude at the door before you enter, and again, only enter when the door has a "ALL ARE WELCOME" sign on it.


I hope your posting on GC is positive and stimulating as so far most frequenters of CG's have been.

DoggyStyle, bruh, I apologize for taking up this much space in the forum but I won't allow your forum to become infiltrated with bickering any more than I will allow ours to. And you are VERY welome for the love and possessiveness, I was raised right.



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[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by #1 Leading Lady:
Now why NON-GREEKS and GREEKS for that matter have a Problem with this I don't know. Do you hear anyone tripping about the the men of Alpha Phi Alpha and the ladies of Alpha Kappa Alpha being the First Family??? ( No disrespect intended )




FYI, I personally don't have a problem at all with any bond that Deltas have with the Ques. (As you have so eloquently recognized, we have our own bond with the men of Alpha Phi Alpha.)My response to CrimsonRage's question was to clarify something which appeared to be very confusing for her.

As you stated, Alpha Kappa Alpha and Alpha Phi Alpha do indeed share a special bond, but I feel very secure within that bond to not feel threatened if a member of another sorority refers to them as "the bruhs". Why would I? I know where the real love/connection/bond lies.

It's kind of like having a man...if you are secure in your relationship and truly know you are the only woman for him (and vice versa), you wouldn't be one of those possesive females that run around trying to fight every girl that says hi to him.

My best friend is a Delta, so I think the Coleman Love thing is wonderful....so believe me...I am not trying to minimize that bond or by any means claim the Ques as my brothers. God knows, I have more than enough of "the bruhs" as friends....I don't need them as brothers too.

[PlainJane]

Whooaa!! Hold on there!! Huh???

What is all this lecturing to me about being negative. I reread my message and as far as I'm concerned I was just asking a question. I asked to be EDUCATED!! What part of my message was rude??!!! Your response and MCCROYRED's response to me was rude and VERY derogatory. I think its sad that you choose to speak to another Black woman in that manner just because you are in a Sorority. Again, I was just asking a question.

How could you write the kind of response you wrote and say I'M negative. Have Mercy! But you know what, since YOU state that I'm not apart of any family, I'll do as you ask and be very careful with my questions.

To DoggyStyle and other Omega Men, sorry if I caused any drama, didn't mean to.

Jeez!

Shaking my head..... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif

[PlainJane]

Before I cause anymore confusion my previous post was directed to CrimsonRage.

Thanks again.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by CrimsonRage:

DoggyStyle, bruh, I apologize for taking up this much space in the forum but I won't allow your forum to become infiltrated with bickering any more than I will allow ours to. And you are VERY welome for the love and possessiveness, I was raised right.



Fear not Sista, you are welcome to post your free and unadulterated opinion here. Secondly, I welcome your love and the others like McCoyRed. In too many places, people are being taught to ignore the bond. Why, I don't know. It is a beautiful thing and what makes it better is that it is not forced, faked, or written on paper. It has always been natural. Thats why I love to here a Delta say "whats up Bruh?" or "Hey Bruh, can a Soror get a hug?" No one else can say it like that. I'm hesitant to call a Delta that I don't know "Soror" or "Red" sometimes because you never really know how someone was raised.

Greek love and BTW, where SexyMocha is from, the Bruhs and the AKAs are real tight.

[mccoyred]

Please read the thread in my Greek Sisters' AKA forum about CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

Originally posted by PlainJane:
Whooaa!! Hold on there!! Huh???

What is all this lecturing to me about being negative. I reread my message and as far as I'm concerned I was just asking a question. I asked to be EDUCATED!! What part of my message was rude??!!! Your response and MCCROYRED's response to me was rude and VERY derogatory. I think its sad that you choose to speak to another Black woman in that manner just because you are in a Sorority. Again, I was just asking a question.

How could you write the kind of response you wrote and say I'M negative. Have Mercy! But you know what, since YOU state that I'm not apart of any family, I'll do as you ask and be very careful with my questions.

To DoggyStyle and other Omega Men, sorry if I caused any drama, didn't mean to.

Jeez!

Shaking my head..... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif



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Mu Psi '86
BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

[PlainJane]

First of all, THANK YOU DOGGYSTYLE for answering me in an intelligent respectable manner.

as for MCCOYRED, you are right I am not Greek, I'm just a college educated Black Woman and thank you for educating me with your catty response. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

[mccoyred]

Not catty, just dropping some knowledge! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif

I'm out (sorry Bruhs http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif )

Originally posted by PlainJane:
First of all, THANK YOU DOGGYSTYLE for answering me in an intelligent respectable manner.

as for MCCOYRED, you are right I am not Greek, I'm just a college educated Black Woman and thank you for educating me with your catty response. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif





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Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

[Reds6]

Where I am from it is disrespectful for others to call MY Bruhs, bruh. It is a term used only between those that are part of the Coleman Family. Its kind of like referring to another member of a BGLO as Soror. That just wouldn't happen. Again, I stress where I am from. If a non-greek or another member of a BGLO used the term Bruhs to refer to Ques, they would most likely be corrected and shown the err of their ways. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Peaches]

You guys are beginning to seem more like a gang rather than an fraternal or sisterly organization there to lift and UNITE the community. Seems some of you are more interested in seperating yourselves. Telling people they need to keep out this FAMILY and that FAMILY. If you an AKA you can't say Bruh to a Que, if you an Alpha, can't say Sis to a Delta, this and that and that and this, blah, blah, blah......

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by Peaches:
You guys are beginning to seem more like a gang rather than an fraternal or sisterly organization there to lift and UNITE the community. Seems some of you are more interested in seperating yourselves. Telling people they need to keep out this FAMILY and that FAMILY. If you an AKA you can't say Bruh to a Que, if you an Alpha, can't say Sis to a Delta, this and that and that and this, blah, blah, blah......

Peaches, again, to the uninitiated, your eyes deceive you. There is unity between the orgs, you just don't understand the "unwritten rules" of BLGO's. There is nothing gang-like about us at all. Yes, there is a disagreement, but it is not personal. These same people who disagree on this forum would party together in person. It is GDIs who misunderstand Greeks and always try to find fault with Greek Life. Somethings are easier to understand from the inside out. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[12dn94dst]

To those who are not understanding where my Sorors are coming from:

Think about this: would you be totally cool with someone who is not your brother or sister calling your Mother "Mommy"? I'm not talking about your best friend since you were 5, I'm talking about an acquaintance. You'd probably be taken aback and would no doubt ask this person why s/he is calling YOUR mother "mommy" when the two of you do not share a mother.

Yes, I agree that ON THE SURFACE this seems like a very non-unifying, even petty, conversation. But if one pays attention, it's very clear why people are reacting the way they are. There are regional differences in who considers whom frat & soror.

Not all confrontations/disagreements are bad things. If anything this is a learning experience for us. If you're a Delta living in GA, where Coleman Love is the thing, you probably won't know that the AKAs and Omegas in Utah (for example) are VERY tight. You will be very suprised to hear an AKA, who just moved to GA from Utah, call an Omega "bruh" out of habit. No doubt that Delta will ask what the deal is. That's essentially all that's happened here.

My suggestion to anyone who doesn't understand why we in the NPHC seem to separate ourselves from each other is to look deeper into the conversation and ASK FOR CLARIFICATION BEFORE CONDEMNING US for not doing what we claim to do.

OOP-ROO!! (cuz this is their house http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif)
OOO-OOP!!
OOP-PHI!
OOP-SKEE!
OOP-YO!
OOP-MAB!
OOP-ZEE!
OOP-YIP!
OOP-OLE!
(HOW'S THAT FOR NPHC LOVE?)

AND I'M GONE!!

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[Reds6]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Peaches:
[B]You guys are beginning to seem more like a gang rather than an fraternal or sisterly organization there to lift and UNITE the community. Seems some of you are more interested in seperating yourselves. Telling people they need to keep out this FAMILY and that FAMILY. ][/QUOTE

I think all BGLO's attempt to uplift and better the community. But there are differences in the the organizations, thats why 9 different BGLO's exist. We are not debating don't come to my side of town or there will be trouble we are discussing term usage in various areas. Please don't compare us with those that break the law and I think all BGLO's would agree with that.

[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by Peaches:
You guys are beginning to seem more like a gang rather than an fraternal or sisterly organization there to lift and UNITE the community......

Peaches, I would hate to think it's that serious.

Yes, we may have disagreed on this issue (and some of us, including myself, may have been a bit coarse in our replies)but in no way should it have been taken in a way that would make you compare us to an organized group of hoodlums.

We may differ from time to time, but I still have love for my Crimson and Cream sisters.

(Oh Lord, I said "sisters"......I wonder if that is allowed....)

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Peaches, I would hate to think it's that serious.

Yes, we may have disagreed on this issue (and some of us, including myself, may have been a bit coarse in our replies)but in no way should it have been taken in a way that would make you compare us to an organized group of hoodlums.

We may differ from time to time, but I still have love for my Crimson and Cream sisters.

(Oh Lord, I said "sisters"......I wonder if that is allowed....)




Yup it's allowed http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif. In fact it needs to be said more in our dialgoue with each other.

To my Pink and Green Sisters, my Blue and White sisters, my Blue and Gold Sisters, Greek Love is a Special Love. We will disagree at times, but we have work to do and that work is what we committed ourselves to do so let us be about DST, AKA, ZPhiB, SGRho business and Everything else will be aaaaaaalllllllll good. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif


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[DSTSolo01]

Originally posted by Peaches:
You guys are beginning to seem more like a gang rather than an fraternal or sisterly organization there to lift and UNITE the community. Seems some of you are more interested in seperating yourselves. Telling people they need to keep out this FAMILY and that FAMILY. If you an AKA you can't say Bruh to a Que, if you an Alpha, can't say Sis to a Delta, this and that and that and this, blah, blah, blah......


Hey Peaches, that's funny that you should say such a thing, because my cousin said something similar.. about sororities being like gangs.. with our colors and unwritten rules. She asked me what would I do if I saw her (she's not a Delta) out somewhere with a Delta shirt on... I told her I would rip that shit off her!!!! Family or not, that's some serious stuff.. And she just couldn't understand.

But like some of my sorors said, there are just unwritten rules of BGLO's... And you'd have to be part of a BGLO to understand. Where I'm from, Coleman love is very recognized, and if I ever heard an Omega, my BRUH, call, say, an AKA his "soror", I would be like, "WTF????????" And I would never call anyone who wasn't an Omega my "bruh".. Now, I may say something like:

"Hey, member of XYZ org, are any of your bruhs/sorors going to be there?"

But notice, I specified that is was their bruh or their soror, not mine. It's the same with people who are not Greek using the word "soror".... it's just not done. Some people don't realize and just use the term, but if you are not in a sorority or fraternity, then you have no "sorors."

Just my $19.13 cents, feel me????? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

Alexis
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[dstbrat]

while this is all fascinating conversation, if you are not a part of the family, then what does it matter how we refer to each other? why all this conversation and comments from people who are not affected? when in rome do as the romans do. i love the bruhs and they love me right back. so, that much is all good. i have never had a misunderstanding with the bruhs about our relationship.

i certainly don't mean to sound cantankerous but i am a little. must we explain everything we do and why to everyone? those who are interested in membership should be preparing themselves by working, studying and serving the community. finding out about practices and traditions that do not affect you is inappropriate at this juncture in your journey. be where you are in the process. don't put the horse before the cart. if i think of any of the other cliches my parent used to tell me, i will post those as well!

and a hearty (unofficial) OO-OOP to my sorors and my bruhs!

[the411]

Soror/Moderator Kelli pretty much said what I feel, but I will say this:

I simply adore the Men of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Incorporated! With or without official recognition, I consider them my brothers. I am in no ways insecure about our familyhood, but because of MY love for the bruhs and MY personal committment to the historical, traditional bond between DST and Q-Psi-Phi, I admit that I am kinda annoyed by another sorority member's reference to the Omegas as her "bruh/s." Why not just say "Ques"--it's the same number of syllables! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif One must EARN the right to call these Dynamic Men their bruhs, and that right is only gained through membership in the Coleman Family. If it pleases you, call me petty, catty, insecure--whatever you like, but if you call me those things, be sure to also call me a DIE HARD OMEGA SWEETHEART, while you're at it! The Ques are MY bruhs, and I don't like to share 'em!

Edna is a Delta and Frank is a Que;
We don't need a consitution for our BOND to be true! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/tongue.gif


(Ya heard me?)

And I'm Out! OOP-ROO!



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[DeltaGirl-BH-ASU]

Originally posted by Reds6:
Where I am from it is disrespectful for others to call MY Bruhs, bruh. It is a term used only between those that are part of the Coleman Family. Its kind of like referring to another member of a BGLO as Soror. That just wouldn't happen. Again, I stress where I am from. If a non-greek or another member of a BGLO used the term Bruhs to refer to Ques, they would most likely be corrected and shown the err of their ways. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


Hey, (I've had many names on GC, so some of you may recognize me --SkegeeGirl, ASUDiva2003)...AND NOW I AM
SOROR DELTAGIRL-BH-ASU

Much love to MY BRUH'S of Omega Psi Phi and to MY SOROR'S of Delta Sigma Theta...

I have to agree with Soror Reds6 comment and with the comments of MY BRUHS and MY SORORS. On my campus (ALABAMA STATE UNIVERSITY) the bruh's are very protective of us as we are of them. They refer to us as Soror and if they see anyone other than a Delta or a Que around our stone or bench they will get on us and the person who was there. I love MY BRUHS and MY SORORS but I do understand that the extent of the relationship varies from region to region, chapter to chapter and even person to person. Even though I am a little over 3 weeks old there is mad love between the MY SORORS and BRUHS at ASU.

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[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by the411:
The Ques are MY bruhs, and I don't like to share 'em!



Ok,ok let's not cry about it http://www.plauder-smilies.de/cry.gif

As I said before, no one is trying to claim your precious ques 411. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif
The real issue at hand is this: Can someone, who is not a member of Delta Sigma Theta refer to the ques as "thebruhs"?
The overwhelming response by you and your sorors is HELL NO. The Deltas in this forum have expressed their feelings, and let me assure you.....your views were heard. Even if I, personally, don't think it's thatserious, you ladies obviously do. I don't have to agree with you...but I do have to respect your feelings on the matter (and I have no problem doing that). Although Coleman Love is pretty much strong everywhere (including New York)....
as YOUR bruh said, where I'm from my sorors and YOUR bruhs are extremely tight. No historic bond, no family love....just tight as hell (go figure!) Whether or not I refer to them as the bruhs will not change that. Personally, I never find myself saying "the bruhs"...it's more of a "Is ABC chapter having a party this weekend?" Or... I simply refer to them by using first names.

Thanks for everyone's feedback though.......


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I WILL NOT REFER TO THE QUES AS THE BRUHS
I WILL NOT REFER TO THE QUES AS THE BRUHS
I WILL NOT REFER TO THE QUES AS THE BRUHS

[Onenine08]

Gosh I made a post to another thread re: the P&G thing. I should have been posting in here. As a true Alpha Woman. I understand a lot about the Coleman connection. There is a true bond there. My best friend is a Delta and I see what it means to her. But for some others there are some dimensions to it that I think they are not willing to admit. Yes (as an outsider) I see some type of ownership of the Ques some Deltas feel they must have when it comes to other sororities. Kinda like a "na na na na na - we've got the Ques" type thing, and thats cool with me. As I said in my other post, all fraternities (even some white ones) took (and take)very good care of me and my sorors. Not to mention, I have loved an Omega man for the past 7 years. In fact we met at a step show and he asked for a hug and at first I'd refused him because I didn't know him. It had nothing to do with Omega vs. Alpha. Well, he told me that it shouldn't matter because we were both greek, and he was right. Some of the younger greeks don't have that love for the NPHC. Its possible to have pride. I brag about the Alpha Nation on a regular.I'm Alpha Kappa Alpha to the core, I bleed pink and green, but if I see a Que on the street he will get much love. So is it okay for an AKA to call a Que bruh? Only the Ques can answer that question for me. I don't refer to any frat as bruh. Thats just my choice. But I also don't spaz if some frat refers to me as soror either as long as they are stepping to me in a correct way and not trying to hate.

[the411]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
As I said before, no one is trying to claim your precious ques 411. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif


"Sexy" Mocha, calm down. There is no need to single anyone out here. My sentiments were just that-- MY sentiments. Just as you have a right to express your honest feelings about a subject, I have a right to express mine. I did not call names or even refer to a particular organization. I simply admitted how I feel about sharing our "siblinghood" with women in orgs other than DST. I am not arguing whether it's right or wrong, I am simply stating MY personal feelings on the subject. I have many Sorors who may/do disagree with me, and that's all good, too. As long as there is a mutual respect for opinions and feelings, I'm as cool http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif as a fan. Truth is, I always get mad love from MY bruhs, YOUR bruhs, Kappas, Sigmas, AND Iotas (and give love back to those who are deserving), so I could take my pick if I chose to do so. I just have a Purple and Gold preference and am committed to that Que-Delta bond. Yes, I am irritated when I see that bond being weakened or threatened by another sorority the bruhs are close to or a frat my sorors are close to, but crying about it?!?!? Naw, dawg, not the the kid! Trust.

I agree that it varies from campus to campus. When my cousin pledged Delta Epsilon at Alcorn State ('95), the bruhs still weren't back on the yard. While there were many AKAs on the yard, there was a tight bond between the Alphas and the Deltas. They'd have "Jungle Jam" (apes and elephants) parties together, strut/walk together, and they even had Alpha-Delta chants. That's all fine and dandy for them and that campus, but ME PERSONALLY--even if there are NO bruhs on my campus, I'd still give my love to Omega Psi Phi. No co-sponsored social activities with anyone but the bruhs for me and my chapter. I'm not knocking those who do it--that just ain't how I was made to roll.

And I'm Out!
OOP-ROO!


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[Sexy Mocha]

Originally posted by CrimsonRage:

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif *sigh* NEOS!!

I swear...some of you are a riot!
Good day ladies......

[Sexy Mocha]

411, I was simply trying to use a bit of humor to lighten a heated topic. It's very evident that you have a lot of love for your bruhs and as I said before (I guess it was lost in my attempt at being a smartass)...I think that bond is wondeful.
Your sentiments are very valid...but just because the ques and the AKAs are very tight in some areas...it doesn't take anything away from your brother/sister bond. YOUR sorors and MY bruhs are tight where I'm from. (If I had a dollar for every Fire & Ice event that went on here, I'd be richer than Oprah). Honestly, it doesn't bother me. They're still OUR brothers.
Infact, I just noticed that an Alpha who is new to GreekChat went into the Delta forum and confessed his undying love for you ladies. I think that's great....it certainly has nothing to do with Alpha Kappa Alpha. That's just the way this brother feels. I felt no need to make comments like "He loves the Deltas??!? Uggh! I think I'm going to be sick!" I never feel the need to disrespect another organization because MY bros happen to be tight with them. On that same line of thinking, I would have to question MY bruhs as well. If the bond between us is that serious....why are THEY starting to bond with another organization? Just something to think about. We didn't just come up with this "P&G connection"thing by ourselves you know.

Nevertheless, if you feel my previous post was a bit unecessary, then I apologize. But really, would it have been preferred if I came back and responded really nasty (as some people can get on GC)?
Anyway, I'm done with the bickering...I have shopping to do http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Peace

[Reds6]

Originally posted by CrimsonRage:

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif *sigh* NEOS!!

Soror I agree Neos (not all but some), lets try to get a year.

[Reds6]

Originally posted by CrimsonRage:

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif *sigh* NEOS!!

Soror I agree Neos (not all but some), lets try to get a year.

[the411]

Well said, Sexy Mocha. I appreciate your response and I feel you on all that you've shared. Again, my post was a declaration of MY personal feelings--not a representative statement of what all DST sorors feel. I may be one of a small few who are this committed to the Coleman Bond. For me, it's all about acknowledging, respecting, and carrying out HISTORY. I realize that circumstances may make it impossible for Deltas and Ques to bond on certain campuses. I also realize that some people have (unfortunately) had such negative experiences with their "bruhs" and "sorors" that they now gravitate toward other orgs for familyhood. All I'm saying is that I don't let a few bad grapes spoil my party. I've run into some rowdy, disrespectful bruhs, and my reaction to them would probably turn them against Reds altogether (if they refused to see the inappropriateness in their behavior). However, I wouldn't dare turn my backs on all my bruhs just 'cause of those bad experiences, or just 'cause the Alphas or Kappas or Sigmas or Iotas are always sweet and gentlemanly. Fact is, my org doesn't share the kind of history with those frats as we do with Omega, just as we all know who the First Fam is.

I got nuttin' but love for "erry-body" so I like to see when we (greeks) are all bonding and getting along like the family we are. If I were to roll up on one of those campuses where Ques and AKAs or Deltas and Alphas (for instance) were close, I just don't want anyone to be salty when I run up to the bruhs and throw my arms around 'em! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

And I'm Out!

the411


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[Sexy Mocha]

I hear you girl!! http://www.plauder-smilies.de/happy/xyxthumbs.gif

[Sexy Mocha]

Thought of the Day:

Never argue with an idiot, for they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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[DirectorDST99]

WOW!I rarely get involved with this type of discussion. But there's a first time for everything. I'm a lil different. I can't bring my mouth to say "bruh" (short for brother) to an Omega. Not because I don't think of them as such but because I personally have a problem with word. I prefer to call them frater or brother. Why? Well, several reasons. I have some Omegas who are close close friends of mine. When some of them shared with me that sorors address other members of the Divine 9 as frat or greek such and such in formal settings (i.e. correspondence) and then say "the bruhs" to them they felt slighted.
Plus, my dealings with those in the Divine 9 are because I'm currently the president of the Galveston NPHC www.galvestonnphc.homestead.com (http://www.galvestonnphc.homestead.com) I tend to be more cautious and more professional in addressing others. That's just me personally.

So, I probably can ASSUME correctly if I were to say that one's confort level with others depend on what they call each other.

But, back to the original question...I will show the love to those who show me the love first. I've had the ear licking experience http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif and i must say it tickled http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif but he was also a good friend in a drunken state. LOL So I forgave him.

As a matter of fact I'm sailing with the Brothers of Omega Psi Phi on Sunday for their Memorial Day Cruise. I'll tell ya'll all about it http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif.

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[the411]

Originally posted by DirectorDST99:
I prefer to call them frater or brother.


I fluctuate between "bruh", "brother", "frat", and "Frank" myself. Just depends on my mood, the setting, and the man I'm addressing.



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[dstbrat]

this is why the bruhs are no good! lol all of these women fighting over them. i will say that doggystyle is most correct in assessing the relationship where i'm from. the bond is so tight that even when one is away from the yard, as soon as they get back, the connection is automatic. the bruhs take static for it sometimes, but, bottom line is that we are family and we see each other as such. mad sorors come back for the bruhs reunion or chapter week just like it's delta week! it is just like that! i wouldn't trade the relationship for the world!

oo-oop and i'm gone!

[DirectorDST99]

I went on the boatride with the brothers and I didn't get home until 3 a.m.....I had a ball. But I got one question, WHY, WHY WHY, are the women who date or are married to Omegas intimidated by Deltas??????? I don't get it. Can someone answer that?

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[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by DirectorDST99:
WOW! I'm a lil different. I can't bring my mouth to say "bruh" (short for brother) to an Omega. Not because I don't think of them as such but because I personally have a problem with word. I prefer to call them frater or brother. Why? Well, several reasons. I have some Omegas who are close close friends of mine. When some of them shared with me that sorors address other members of the Divine 9 as frat or greek such and such in formal settings (i.e. correspondence) and then say "the bruhs" to them they felt slighted.


What kind of Omegas are these that you know? Don't sound like the kind that I know from the "Boot". "Brother" of "Frater" is way too informal and business-like for a "Coleman" but I understand the need for it in the NPHC setting.

[DirectorDST99]

LOL...they aren't quite "geritol" age but they aren't collegiates either....LOL

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[jazbri]

Originally posted by DirectorDST99:
I went on the boatride with the brothers and I didn't get home until 3 a.m.....I had a ball. But I got one question, WHY, WHY WHY, are the women who date or are married to Omegas intimidated by Deltas??????? I don't get it. Can someone answer that?



I'm a non-greek who's dating a Que and I'm totally NOT intimidated by Coleman Love. I think with any relationship a woman has to be secure within herself first and with her relationship second. One of my best friends is a Delta and I have gone to many different Omega events "boatrides, frat house parties, etc." and my partner has been there. If anything, I think that some of the women are more so intimidated by me. I don't know why. It's really funny because I've greeted Omegas and Deltas while in the presence of both my bestfriend and my partner. Members of both Delta and Omega are somewhat at a loss as to how to greet me. I just give a warm hug and a smile.

I've witnessed the bond (Coleman Love) and because I have a 'general' understanding of the history I can respect and appreciate it.
I believe that's what it all comes down to as an outsider looking in. Respecting the bond you all have and appreciating it for what it is!


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[DirectorDST99]

Perhaps jazbri, you're one of the confident ones because I've witnessed some women who if looks they've given could kill.....boy oh boy!!

I could go on all night about the way the women who date Omegas have acted in the presence of Deltas...but again you must be an exception. I was trying to get some understanding, but I'm certain no one who falls into this category will admit to it so I'll just drop it.

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