Order of the Eastern Star

[the411]

No, there is no conflict. I've been a Star since July of 1995 and a Delta since Spring '97. A great many of my sorors are also sisters of the Order; one sisterhood can only enhance the other (not hurt it), and both organizations are characterized by Christian principles. The only difference is that masonic fraternal organizations are MUCH deeper than greek-letter organizations. I am not undermining my Deltahood by any means-- our Sisterhood is DEEP, too! But, the roots of the Prince Hall family run back to the 1700s. My experiences with OES helped me endeavor through my intake process for DST, so I have no regrets!

PHOES
Grace Chapter #5
Martha Grand Chapter
V,MS



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Pi Kappa
#3 SPR97
QUINTESSENCE

[prettygyrl]

HEY, 411 I have been looking for info on The Order Of the Eastern Star, and it does not seem as accesible as info on bglos. I was just wondering would you know of any web pages or books that i could read to find out more about this org. I would really appreciate it.

[Sterling]

Just a question, would anyone posting happen to be a member of the Order of the Eastern Star as well as a member of Delta Sigma Theta?
Just wondering if there may be any conflict?? Thank you.

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[crimsonsoror1913]

I am also a member of the order of easstern star since August 1996 and crossed over those burning sands of Delta Spring 1994. As Soror 411 stated, there is no conflict since both organizations are based on christian principles and beliefs. OES is much deeper, but that allows me to appreciate the beauty and strength of my life.

FAAYM
Electa Chapter #3
Mount Zion Lodge # 1

Spr 94
#20 Gamma Mu Chapter
Queen Nzinga

[Sterling]

Thanks everyone for your replies. I am a member of the OES and washoping to get feedback regarding this issue. I am glad to hear that there seems to be no conflict.

[bellydancer]

Hey!
I know of a website with OES info. Ironically, I just spoke with the local OES chapter in my area (Bronx, NY). I was told I needed to be sponsored by a member of my family that is already a member. Unfortunately, I have trouble finding family members because they move around too much. I even have Delta's in my family but I have trouble finding them too. :-( Well the website is www.easternstar.org (http://www.easternstar.org) Well, I hope you find what you are looking for.

[Sterling]

Bellydancer, please send me my your email address. I am in New York and will discuss becoming a member, since this is not an OES forum.
Originally posted by bellydancer:
Hey!
I know of a website with OES info. Ironically, I just spoke with the local OES chapter in my area (Bronx, NY). I was told I needed to be sponsored by a member of my family that is already a member. Unfortunately, I have trouble finding family members because they move around too much. I even have Delta's in my family but I have trouble finding them too. :-( Well the website is www.easternstar.org (http://www.easternstar.org) Well, I hope you find what you are looking for.

[cherish]

Hello, everyone...Lately the same question has been brought about being in BGLO and in secret organization like the Eastern Star's, Mason etc. My aunt is a Eastern Star, but moved to the south ...how do I find more information about Eastern Star n the Detroit, MI area?

Thank You

[HER_STORY]

belly dancer,

with regards to oes, someone does have to sponsor you but it does not have to always be a relative.

[Sterling]

Oh Cherish,

The Order of the Eastern Star is not a secret organization. Although we do have 'secrets' like BGLO's. When you think about, just about everyone knows a member of the Eastern Star or a Mason.

P.S. when I go to a chapter meeting, you can't miss me... I'm the one dressed in all -white.

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[Sterling]

Oooooooooh! I'm telling...... Just because you are my Godsister's sands don't think I am not 'gonna jump all over you. (smile)
Your credentials are in the wrong order. ROTFL. I will email you personally because I don't wan't to get thrown off this board by the lovely moderators of this forum. Ha-ha!

AREME CHAPTER #87

QUEEN BATHSHEBA ROYAL AMARANTH COURT #1

STAR OF BETHLEHEM GRAND CHAPTER
BROOKLYN, NEW YORK

[Salience]

Serious question about OES and community service, we can do this by e-mail if you'd like

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[MaMaBuddha]

hi sterling,

i, too, am an eastern star in New York.

Prince Hall #27 on 155th street in Manhattan.

Are you PH or international??



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(cheese grits, hogmahs and fatback)

MaMaBuddha
Delta Alpha/Epsilon Tau
Spring 94
the 24th Diva of Perfection

Alpha Phi Omega
Alpha Gamma Gamma
Fall '98

Order of Eastern Star
Prince Hall Affilated
Prince Hall #27

[cherish]

Originally posted by Sterling:
Oh Cherish,

The Order of the Eastern Star is not a secret organization. Although we do have 'secrets' like BGLO's. When you think about, just about everyone knows a member of the Eastern Star or a Mason.

P.S. when I go to a chapter meeting, you can't miss me... I'm the one dressed in all -white.

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I was wondering are anything places in the Detroit,MI area. The only person I know is my aunt... and I lost contact with her.

[Salience]

As an AC in my chapter, I am concerned when people tell me they want to be an Eastern Star, but aren't sure about their connections, or what we do.

Some of this is upon us, but there is research out there for OES, just like there is for Delta Sigma Theta, Sorority, Inc.

I love it that women are interested in my organization, but I hold my membership in such high regard that I don't look upon any petition for membership as a given. I will be happy to help out wherever I can, and have some MBs for women interested in OES and Sororities, or just OES.

Thanks for letting me interrupt for a moment! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

New Hope Chapter #56
OES, PHA
Harmony Grand Chapter, Missouri and Jx

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[Hope]

I have a question to those of you who are members of OES. I have always heard that masonic organizations teach democratic and patriotic principles. I would like to know how can a conscious Black person in American be a member of such organizations. How do you separate our experiences in this country and the order? I'm not trying to be rude, but I would like to know. Thanx in advance.

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[Sterling]

Hope,
The majority of the OES principles are spiritual. While it is reasonable to focus on the evils done to our people for over 400 years. It is better to work diligently now that the doors of 'exclusion' have been knocked down. For example, I still enter government buildings even though the flag is flying at full mast out front. Why, because there is a reason for me to enter in. I always vote, even though I know that the candidates have promised one thing and will do another, why, because so many of our people have been maimed, injured or killed to have the right to vote. Are you feeling me???

Salience(my sister),
It is our job as members of the Order to bring the necessary visions to the new Millenium. If we rededicate our chapters to benevolence and community service, we will begin to show others that our 'light' does truly shine. Honestly, there is a new 'face'to the OES, and of course, since the faces are getting younger and younger, we must be 'out' in a positive way. As AC in my chapter also, I empathize with you, for we provide the critical first impressions to a new member.

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[REALITYBLACK]

How would one go about expressing interest in OES when the only members that you know are "sometimesy" if you will. One minute they are nice and speak and come by your room, the next see you don't speak and if you do they look at you like you dropped off of jupiter or something. I have family that are members but I don't kow them that well and do not feel comfortable talking to them about something like that since I barely know them. Also I heard that if you have a mason in your family that he could sponsor you is that true? please email me at aisha131@hotmail.com

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[Sterling]

It is true that many members of the Order are rather tightlipped. However, that is a learned behavior from tradition.
One thing you must remember is that OES women are human first. If they are not very outgoing or friendly, the Order is not going to drastically change that. That sentiment has been expressed over and over on this forum as well.( A Delta is a human being and has good days and bad days also.)As with any group that has a formal process for membership, there are times when you really may not feeling like answering interest questions. I'm sorry that you don't feel comfortable discussing your interest with your family members. Oh and yes, a Mason from your family can sponsor you. In many jurisdictions, it is possible to vouch for a 'worthy' woman without being related to her.

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[Salience]

Originally posted by Sterling:
It is true that many members of the Order are rather tightlipped. However, that is a learned behavior from tradition.
One thing you must remember is that OES women are human first. If they are not very outgoing or friendly, the Order is not going to drastically change that. That sentiment has been expressed over and over on this forum as well.
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Hey, Sister!!

You are telling it like it T-I- IZ!! We are human! I used to be secretive about OES, but my sponsor is so "out" she has business cards, and hella websites!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif I thought, shoot, I'm an officer now, I'm getting my gear on! LOL

As for membership, REALITY, a call to a relative you haven't spoken to in a while may be the icebreaker that you need. If they're really active, they will be pleased at a younger person's interest. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif


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[REALITYBLACK]

Thanks for the clarification about Mason's. Just one thing though...the problem was not talking about OES to the girls it was just about them acting funny period. I have never mentioned anything about OES to them because of what I said before one minute they are cool and the next they act like they are doing you a favor by even looking at you. I don't even talk to them because of that....Speak or don't speak..either you like me or you don't... don't straddle the fence. Anyway my brother, grandfather, and uncle are all Masons they are not here with me they are back home in Michigan so they couldn't help me here....could they?

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[Holly1973]

This post was right on time. The informaiton you all have shared has been very helpful. Sterling, I'll be sending you an e-mail shortly. Everyone have a Blessed Day!

[Sterling]

REALITYBLACK,
Sounds like a silly clique(you know how catty women can be)...
It actually does not matter that they don't live near you or even in the same state, they can still be referenced on your petition for membership.

[REALITYBLACK]

Thank you very much for the information. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Sterling]

No problem.....

"look to the east..."

[mothergoose]

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
HEY, 411 I have been looking for info on The Order Of the Eastern Star, and it does not seem as accesible as info on bglos. I was just wondering would you know of any web pages or books that i could read to find out more about this org. I would really appreciate it.
Hey the best thing is to find someone who is a part of the OES and then go from there. This is a very secretive organization. You juts can't just surf on the internet and find out information.
Mother Goose DST Sp99

[NicoleRey]

Originally posted by Sterling:
No problem.....

"look to the east..."

Eastward looking..............I am sooo excited and I just had to share with everyone. I am being "healed" by a new chapter on August 15, 2000! I have been a member of the Order since February 1998, but I had decided a few months ago to move on to International Affiliation. (I was initiated by Reform Universal Affiliation...Scottish Rite)

I have finally found a chapter into which I fit perfectly! I was voted in last night and will not haveto be re-initiated...but I will take the oath again with the new initiates. I am bubbling with the thought of more service and sisters in my chapter who are in my age group. The sisters in my original chapter were and still are like History books...I love to hear them talk about the Order and I always learn new things from them...They are my Mothers. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
But it will be nice to work with sisters who are a little younger. It makes a difference in the commroderie(sp?) of the chapter.
I am just so excited! (I know I've said that already, but it's true!)
And oh my goodness...The chapter is a virtual Pan-Hel! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Okay., I've talked enough.....Thanks for listening.

Yolanda Nicole (Rey)

[Sterling]

NicoleRey:
Great News!

It is so important to find a chapter in which you feel most comfortable. A younger chapter tends to have fresh ideas and a certain 'energy' about them. I like to hear older sisters too. They are sooooo D-E-E-P!
I hope all goes well as you travel.....

[aspiration]

Congratulations NicoleRey ! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[carebear]

From Research I have obtained this information which I'm sure will be helpful to all of you from http://www.easternstar.com

Who may join: Only men who are Masons are eligible and only women with specific Masonic affiliation may be members. These affiliations include:

Affiliated Master Masons in good standing,
the wives
daughters
legally adopted daughters
mothers
widows
sisters
half sisters
granddaughters
stepmothers
stepdaughters
stepsisters
daughters-in-law
grandmothers
great granddaughters
nieces
mothers-in-law
sisters-in-law

and daughters of sisters or brothers of affiliated Master Masons in good standing, or if deceased were in good standing at the time of their death; each of whom shall have attained to at least the age of eighteen (18) years, are eligible to membership in the Order of the Eastern Star.

How to join: To inquire about membership, talk to a current member, or contact a local chapter. To find chapters in your area, contact the Grand Secretary of that state or province. Petitions are carefully read, eligibility investigated and election to membership must be by unanimous vote. The Order strives to select persons of mental, moral and spiritual quality who will work together in harmony to perform its objectives.

Frequently Asked Questions:
Q. Is the Order of the Eastern Star a secret society?
A. No. Secret societies are underground and hard to find. We are easily found within the community but we enjoy a distinctive means of identifying each other. Only members are allowed in a closed meeting.

Q. Can I afford membership In the Order of the Eastern Star?
A. Yes. Financial position is not considered in the Order. Members come from all economic stations of life.

Q. Is my religious faith allowed In the Order of the Eastern Star?
A. Yes. Members of all religions may belong to the Order of the Eastern Star. We only require a belief in a Supreme Being.

Q. Is the Order of' the Eastern Star time consuming?
A. After your Initiation into our Order, you may attend as your time permits.

Q. Is there any memory work?
A. There is no mandatory memory work except the means of making yourself known if you wish to visit a Chapter or if you become an officer.

Q. Is the Order patriotic and democratic?
A. Yes. Members are taught an allegiance to preserve the good of their country.

[Sterling]

Ms. Aspiration,

I haven't received any e-mails from you lately. Hope all is well(you know what I'm talking about)
Smooches...

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[aspiration]

Sterling,
All is well. You should have e-mail soon. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[CrimsonTide4]

Before GC went down a member of GC was interested in finding some of her OES sisters. This is the thread that I was directing her to as well as anyone else who wants to know.

[Ms. Jay]

I just wanted to say hello to all my Sistars out there! I am with Abigail Chapter #4 in Detroit, MI Please email and let me know where you are!

Ms. Jay

[AlacrityZK]

Hello Ladies, just stopping by to see if there are any ladies in the Chattanooga, TN area who are interested in Eastern Star. The grand matron of TN has contacted me and wants me to find 6 ladies who are interested in Eastern Star to start a chapter in this area. You can live as far as Jasper, TN or further if you are up for the drive for monthly meetings, functions,etc. I am excited and would love to find 6 ladies, 7 including me to start a chapter of OES. Also, if you know of 7 men who are interested in Mason, please have them contact me as well. You can send me a private message or contact me via email as well. Please if you have any interest, contact me ASAP, because if we do this quickly, we can be initiated with the new sisters in Nashville, possibly next month.. If you have any questions, please contact me ASAP.

God Bless

[Lizanabavi]

I am member of OES-PHA and have been traveling since April 1995. As far as people hearing "What sisters are taught"?, "What do symbols mean"? "Are things more of a traditon and not a secret"? You can ask a member of the order these questions, BUT... she will never tell you. I gurantee it. She will only let her "Light" shine. The only way you will know is if you are initiated.

People have opinions of what Masons and Eastern Stars are about. What we do, our purpose? Whether we are "relevant"? How do you know if someone is a member"? Do we worship the Devil"?:mad: WT? All kinds of "Foolishness"!!! For anyone who wants to "See the Light"... please don't ask an Eastern Star or a Mason that.

I'm not concerned at all with people who have these views because if it truly did not matter to them, why ask? You concern yourself with things that you care about. If it is meant for you to know... you will find out when the time comes.;)

[cutiepatootie]

i am an OEE member here in So Cal. I joined when i was 18 in 1988.
I am a Job's Daughter since 1982
I am a Beta Sigma Phi since 1994
I am also an Alpha Phi Omega member joined in 1995

Most of all I am an ALPHA PHI! :)


Laura:D

[cutiepatootie]

Sorry i meant to type OES member since 1988. i am typing challanged :)

[cutiepatootie]

My mother and my grand mother were both Past Matrons and i have masons and TONS of OES memebrs thru out my family tree

[Koss28]

Just wanted to chime in and say greetings to all my brothers and sister out there travelling in the light. Keep up the good work. Holla back.

[JustMe1972]

I have questions for members of OES in the Texas area.
This should be handled by email ...
justme1972@hotmail.com
Thank you

[gamma_girl52]

Wow isn't this thread old :D but had to share with my GC friends! I'm just about a week old in the Order, but I'm ready to travel Eastward!!

Esther Chapter #2
A.F.& A.M.
Sisters of Light Grand Chapter
College Park, GA


Sending love to all of my new SiSTARS on GC!! I am so happy :D Just wanted to share!

[tinydancer]

Just wanted to give my support to the OES sisters on GC and the ladies who are interested. I have been a member for nearly 2 years and it means a lot to me.

tinydancer
member of South Fort Worth #835
OES, Grand Chapter of Texas

[ShiningStar83]

Co signing with tinydancer

Esther Chapter #1
Bessemer, AL

[PHA_luv]

Originally posted by NicoleRey
I am bubbling with the thought of more service and sisters in my chapter who are in my age group. The sisters in my original chapter were and still are like History books...I love to hear them talk about the Order and I always learn new things from them...They are my Mothers. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif
But it will be nice to work with sisters who are a little younger. It makes a difference in the commroderie(sp?) of the chapter.
I am just so excited! (I know I've said that already, but it's true!)
And oh my goodness...The chapter is a virtual Pan-Hel! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Okay., I've talked enough.....Thanks for listening.

Yolanda Nicole (Rey)

I am a 21 Sister that was born on March 17, 2005. Currently I'm still a college student, but the chapter that I am a part of is wonderful because there are young members (such as myself, but I am the baby), as well as older members (which you get a wealth of knowledge from). I find that the bond between the younger sisters and brothers are strong, we're always bonding with each other.

Before I became a Star as well as showed interest in a sorority I made sure that they wouldn't interfere with each other just in case I ever wanted to go back & petition for membership.

As for information in the NC jurisdiction we have a national website: www.gcoesphanc.org/index/htm. Just like any organization 2 Be 1 Ask 1! and do your research because honestly the information is out there. If anyone was a secret society or organization you would never even know about them.

Have a wonderful day!

Electa Chapter #627
OES Prince Hall Affiliate
PHAmily Luv!

[NiaX]

Although I am not a member of the Order, I did have a member in my family, and also there are several at my church.

One of the things I found to be interesting was that my home state is holding a piece of history of OES.

Also, I really did wonder if OES and PHA/FAAM were african american orders. I saw the KY Grand Chapter site and saw none of the members to be black. I am not trying to be insensitive, just stating what I have observed. Everyone I know that are members are black. I had my eyes opened and learned a lil more about OES.

[PHA_luv]

I'm very serious about the Order of the Eastern Star, but I also don't take anything personally because I am secure with all aspects of my organization. It would take a lot for someone to upset me when asking a question about OES because I understand that people really don't & won't understand. & they probably have seen or noticed some things that are questionable. If the question is too far out there then I just ignore it laugh inside & keep going.

I do not feel that you are being insensitive when it comes to your observation. Traditionally certain groups such as PHA F&AM are predominantly black, but one of my sisters i was initiated with is white and she is wonderful, another is mixed and she is just as wonderful as well.

I feel that Masonic & Greek organizations are beautiful & helpful aspects of uplifting many of our communites world wide. They also have had strong roots in advancing the status of blacks. I just encourage everyone to keep on pushing & serving to make things a little bit easier and better for others!

Have a wonderful day!

Electa Chapter 627
Fayetteville, NC
Order of the Eastern Star, PHA!

[oOogirlygirloOo]

Originally posted by Salience
As an AC in my chapter, I am concerned when people tell me they want to be an Eastern Star, but aren't sure about their connections, or what we do.

Some of this is upon us, but there is research out there for OES, just like there is for Delta Sigma Theta, Sorority, Inc.

I love it that women are interested in my organization, but I hold my membership in such high regard that I don't look upon any petition for membership as a given. I will be happy to help out wherever I can, and have some MBs for women interested in OES and Sororities, or just OES.

Thanks for letting me interrupt for a moment! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

New Hope Chapter #56
OES, PHA
Harmony Grand Chapter, Missouri and Jx

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I concur. I too am a member of the Order of Eastern Star(F.A.A.Y.M) and I also don't take it personal or to any offense if someone has a genuine question about us.

NiaX,
If you have any questions about O.E.S., I'm open to answering what I can for you.

[Pearls4Life]

Question,
If my grandfather was a mason and is now passed on to glory. Can I still get into the Order of the Eastern Stars? Is it automatic? Also when my son is old enough can he obtain membership based on his great-grandfathers membership?

Just wanting to know, curious.
:D

[LionOfJudah]

Just wanted to say hello to my SiStars.....Travel Light!!!

LoJ

St. Johns #25
PHA F&AM

[Live_Wire17]

Originally posted by Sterling
Just a question, would anyone posting happen to be a member of the Order of the Eastern Star as well as a member of Delta Sigma Theta?
Just wondering if there may be any conflict?? Thank you.

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[This message has been edited by Sterling (edited July 21, 2000).]

I am a member of both and there are absolutely no conflicts. I have been an Eastern Star since July 1989. One compliments the other BELIEVE me.

[Intense1920]

Originally posted by Pearls4Life
Question,
If my grandfather was a mason and is now passed on to glory. Can I still get into the Order of the Eastern Stars? Is it automatic? Also when my son is old enough can he obtain membership based on his great-grandfathers membership?

Just wanting to know, curious.
:D

Good questions. My Grandfather was a Mason and my Grandmother was an Eastern Star and have since passed on. If I were to choose to pursue membership could I use their affiliations?

[YAHSHUA's son]

THEIR IS NO CONFLICT BECAUSE ALL BGLO'S ARE BABY MASONS SUCKING THAT BOTTLE FULL OF MILK

WHEN YOU BECOME A MASON YOU GET TO SEE THE MEAT AND EVEN THEN IT IS SOME SERIOUS TRAVELLING TO DO TO SEE THAT MASONIC LIGHT.

AND WHEN YOU GET THEIR IF YOU EVER DO YOU MAYBE IN FOR A SHOCK IF YOU HAVE INVITED THE LiGHT OF THE WORLD YAHSHUA INTO YOUR HEART


HEY BUT GOD PUTS HIS PEOPLE EVERYWHERE FOR TIMES AND SEASONS


www.ephesian5-11.org www.fish4masons.org

all former masons ready to share the true light of the world.

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by YAHSHUA's son
THEIR IS NO CONFLICT BECAUSE ALL BGLO'S ARE BABY MASONS SUCKING THAT BOTTLE FULL OF MILK

WHEN YOU BECOME A MASON YOU GET TO SEE THE MEAT AND EVEN THEN IT IS SOME SERIOUS TRAVELLING TO DO TO SEE THAT MASONIC LIGHT.

AND WHEN YOU GET THEIR IF YOU EVER DO YOU MAYBE IN FOR A SHOCK IF YOU HAVE INVITED THE LiGHT OF THE WORLD YAHSHUA INTO YOUR HEART


HEY BUT GOD PUTS HIS PEOPLE EVERYWHERE FOR TIMES AND SEASONS


www.ephesian5-11.org www.fish4masons.org

all former masons ready to share the true light of the world.

You continue to say the same thing over and over and over. You've said what you had to say. No one is listening to rhetoric. Thank you for attempting to enlighten us but at this time no one will be joining you in your mission to type the same message in all caps no less.

[PHA_luv]

Originally posted by Intense1920
Good questions. My Grandfather was a Mason and my Grandmother was an Eastern Star and have since passed on. If I were to choose to pursue membership could I use their affiliations?

You should get in touch with a Eastern Star with in your state and ask her if that affiliation will allow you to petition for membership. If she says no please ask her if/ahen they will be having "open season".

[D.COM]

Originally posted by PHA_luv
You should get in touch with a Eastern Star with in your state and ask her if that affiliation will allow you to petition for membership. If she says no please ask her if/ahen they will be having "open season".

Is this "Prince Hall" OES, or the one created in the 1950s? :)

[PHA_luv]

I am speaking of Prince Hall Affiliated chapters, i'm not sure about the other chapter that you are speaking of, but yes this is for PHA

[PHA_luv]

Someone's mailbox is full:D

[Live_Wire17]

Originally posted by Intense1920
Good questions. My Grandfather was a Mason and my Grandmother was an Eastern Star and have since passed on. If I were to choose to pursue membership could I use their affiliations?

In the PHA we keep accurate records of all members living and deceased.

[YAHSHUA's son]

[Q. Is my religious faith allowed In the Order of the Eastern Star?
A. Yes. Members of all religions may belong to the Order of the Eastern Star. We only require a belief in a Supreme Being.

hiriam 7500 studied hard and discovered the truth about what her org is

and i studied hard and came to the same conclusions



the difference is that after coming to the conclusion that she did ...that the devil is made up ...and Jesus was not equal to God

i became a born again Christian washed in the BLOOD OF THE PASSOVER LAMB

AND TAHT IS WHY I DENOUCED MY MEMBERSHIP IN OMEGA PSI PHI

BUT I NEVER DENOUNCED MY LOVE FOR THE BROTHERS OF OMEGA PSI PHI OR ANY OTHER ORG FOR THAT MATTER

THE TRUTH IS BEFORE YOU WAKE UP AND DECIDE

TO BE HOT OR COLD... YES ... LUKEWARM IS NOT THE PLACE TO BE


NO NEED TO REPLY SISTERS THIS IS THE WORLD WIDE WEB THE WORLD IS WATCHING

[whiteandblack]

just wanted to chime in

ruth chapter #102, PHA
nabbar court #128
atlanta, ga.

[gamma_girl52]

Originally posted by whiteandblack
just wanted to chime in

ruth chapter #102, PHA
nabbar court #128
atlanta, ga.

Welcome to GC from another Atlanta District 3 Sister!

Vashti Grimes Pullen #UD, PHA
Atlanta, GA

(I'm at a new chapter now! I think I had my old one on here)

[DST4A00]

is this the wrong forum to ask, but why did you want to become OES?

if the question has already been asked please direct me.

[whiteandblack]

my dad was a mason, my aunt and grandmother were OES. I just took it upon myself to join.

[whiteandblack]

@gamma_girl52
thanks for the southern hospitality, sistar!

[gamma_girl52]

Originally posted by whiteandblack
@gamma_girl52
thanks for the southern hospitality, sistar!

No problem SiSTAR :D

[Citrine1]

Myself and 3 of my LSs are members of the Order of Eastern Star. Like someone already mentioned, there is no conflict.

[kommitted1973]

I am also an Eastern Star.

I forgot to give my chapter info!

Heroines of Atlanta #712
MF&AM

[dstdoll97]

I am also an Eastern Star.

Pride of Jno G Lewis, Chapter # 182
Baton Rouge, La.
Spring 96

[icebrAKA]

Royal Princess #23 by way of Esther #77
Esther Grand Chapter of Louisiana

[divaemeritus]

Junior Past Matron
Ruth-Boger Chapter #669
OES-PHA, Jurisdiction of NC

[whiteandblack]

that's great that you are a junior past matron! say, does anyone else serve on a post?

[beverysure]

Originally posted by hiram7500
I am an OES member. My husband is a Mason.
I have spent 8 years researching masonry to it's roots.
I regret to inform you that with all your so-called education, you - none of you who are condemning Masonry or OES know what you're talking about.

Hiram Abiff is symbolic of a 'Master Builder' one who strives to make him self godlike. He appreciates others and respects their religious choice un like any of you.

Christianity, Islam, buddisim teaches their members that all other religions are false and the work of the devil. Right?
Well guess what--there is no devil! It's all made up! That's right.
All made up by the catholic church to control you..your thoughts.. your life.

Your reference to the http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ website is absolutely the WRONG PLACE TO LOOK for the truth. All they want is to KEEP YOU FROM finding it.

The historical beginnings of christianity are where you need to look...Jesus had nothing to do with it's present form. He was a highly educated GNOSTIC...and married....and had children!

May I recommend
http://www.mastermason.com/hiramdis...istmission.html
Then I recommend you read how the christians had millions of Gnostics murdered to shut them up. They created Islam too. Then they systamatically went about murdering as many Jews as possible. Hitler was a catholic.

Those of you who call your selves born again christians are being lied to. And there is definately a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' hiding there. It isn't Masons..but it all started with the catholic church!!

I would also appreciate it if you wouldn't use my web site with "a devil in hiding" sort of description. All I've done is expose the real truth..a truth you refuse to even research.

Why do you think there was even such a thing as 'The Dark Ages'? Dark because everything was hidden, kept secret, denigned.... And still is by the church.
The nations not affected by the catholic church went about their business of scientific progress, including the practice of medicine, mathmetics, and building. This is where the Mason's come in...they were builders - highly trained mathmeticians. That is why geometry is associated with Masonry. You might want to check out the real 'forbidden secrets'... see http://www.mastermason.com/hiramdis.../forbidden.html
for a sampleing.

Why can't we just all believe in Jesus and leave it at that?


Is this the DAVINCI CODE or what?This OES is on pointThe historical beginnings of christianity are where you need to look...Jesus had nothing to do with it's present form. He was a highly educated GNOSTIC...and married....and had children!

[Live_Wire17]

Originally posted by whiteandblack
that's great that you are a junior past matron! say, does anyone else serve on a post?

Yes, I am the Senior Past Matron, Vivian F. Howell #151 State of Illinois

[whiteandblack]

I used to serve as one of the star points.

[PrinceHall]

I hail from:
Eureka Lodge #16 F&AM-PHA
Flint,MI
Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Michigan/Jurisdiciton


I've seen some real interesting comments in this intresting thread.
for aspirants of the Order of Eastern Star: for every OES chapter and grand chapter of each state/jurisdiction,there's a lodge and grand lodge for each one..well...there's suppose to be. No OES grand or local chapter can "work" or conduct business without being under a properly chartered lodge or Grand Lodge;Eastern Stars can't conduct meetings or anything w/o a mason(s) present. The OES is actually a unisex group,because men that are masons in good standing can be apart of the OES;they just have to take their degrees as well. You must be 18 to join,you must have a "bloodline",and fit other qualifications of getting voted in. Like someone mentioned on here before,there are some state/jurisdictions that have what we call an "open bloodline" session(i.e. Georgia has an "open bloodline" session two months out of the year);some states/jurisdictions have "open bloodline" period now (i.e. Texas..from what I was told).



Eventhough Masonry is bigger than affiliation(dont just look at it affiliation wise),there are three types of masonry in the U.S.,you have:
Predominately white 'Mainstream' Masons (F&AM/AF&AM) and OES,Prince Hall Affiliation Masons (F&AM) and OES,and Prince Hall Origin-National Compact (F&AAYM) and OES. P.H.O. is still working on being officially recognized from what I was told...I only know little bit about them. 'Mainstream' (or predominately white)Masonry was brought to the U.S. in the early 1700's,under the authority of the United Grand Lodge of England. Prince Hall (or Predominately black) Masonry was established in the U.S. in Boston,MS in 1775 and chartered in 1784. The first lodge for African-Americans is African lodge #459 a year after Prince Hall and fourteen other black men (the "immortal 15") were raised in a white military lodge in boston named Irish Lodge #441...you go read the rest. And find research the history of OES...when it was establised,why,etc..


ALL of the properly chartered,"regular", and/or recognized Grand and Local Lodges/OES chapters of the U.S. work under the United Grand Lodge of England. but all in all, do more research on the order;find out who Prince Hall was why/when Prince Hall Masonry was establised in the U.S....everything. Don't just go to any ol' lodge or OES chapter,because you might "come up short"...don't think that everything you see is real.


And with Masonry being the biggest Fraternity in the world,there's Masons and Eastern stars in other countries;They have their own Grand and Local lodges as well.

OES is also known to be "the Mother of ALL"...
Which founders from AKA,DST,ZPB,and SGR where members of the OES before they found those 4 beautiful BGLO's? I don't know...I'm still trying to find info on that.

I'm through for now...

[whiteandblack]

hey PrinceHall! there you go, bringing that knowledge...

[icebrAKA]

PrinceHall----You said it!! Do your research!!! Prince Hall couldn't have said it better. You have to find a chapter that fits YOU! You may not find the answers that you're looking for, but we believe in the phrase "2 B 1 Ask 1"! Please note: If we can't answer some questions asked then don't take it personal. Do searches for the different affiliations.

Through the research of other Stars and or Sorors, I was informed that Ethel Hedgeman Lyle was a member. But that's what I was told and some of those things weren't documented. I heard of other founders of other orgs, but I don't know for sure and don't want to step on any toes.;)

[IOTA-4A'88F]

Applauds to PrinceHall for the great information and proper instruction to seek Light.

[PrinceHall]

TECHNICALLY,there's no such thing as different affiliations with Masonry when it comes to the U.S. There are only two legit/properly-chartered U.S. Masonic Affiliations and they are 'Mainstream'(or predominately white) and Prince Hall Affiliation(or Origin);Prince Hall Masonry is the predominately black group of Masons that was establised in the late 1700's(I'll let y'all go do research). But anything else here in the U.S. that is not of those groups(PH or 'Mainstream'),then they are....just go to http://www.bogusmasonry.org or http://www.masonicinfo.com/morephonies.htm

....it'll explain alot...

oh yes,there's fake so called "Masons" and "Eastern Stars" around you....I consider what they're in a renegade...

[whiteandblack]

PrinceHall,

what do you do in your lodge as far as volunteer work?

[PrinceHall]

PrinceHall,

what do you do in your lodge as far as volunteer work?

as of now,nothing.Annually,our (my lodge and the OES chapter under my lodge) big season as far as volunteer work is around the fall and winter time. We keep the fundraisers going all year-aound.Me personally, I haven't been doing any volunteer work with the lodge right now(this summer),because of my internship with the county and my regular job,but you'll always see me at the business and work meetings,except when I'm in school,and you'll STILL see me at a meeting or two because of spring break,holiday break and fall break,plus I stay in my books.See,I was initiated at a lodge in my Hometown (flint,MI) but I go to school in Nashville,TN. at Tennessee State Univ.;I fellowship with the bruhs down in nashville as other bruhs that go to TSU that's from another jurisdiction,that about it for now. I'm going to start "working" with the lodges in Nashville while I'm still in school.

[beverysure]

I recently found out that my grandfather was a mason. I have read basic info about masonry like the history and different affiliations. But I don't personally know anyone who is an Eastern Star, or a mason for that matter. My question is, how would I begin to pursue this?

My grandfather was a prince hall mason. Do your research because masonry is a hot mess. It is the most segragated society on the planet.
Black masons look down own so called bogus masons and many white masons look down on prince hall mason as bogus. Crazy

Check these sites out before you start giving up that cash and signing your life away.

www.ephesians5-11.org www.fish4masons.org :)

[PrinceHall]

My grandfather was a prince hall mason. Do your research because masonry is a hot mess. It is the most segragated society on the planet.
Black masons look down own so called bogus masons and many white masons look down on prince hall mason as bogus. Crazy

Check these sites out before you start giving up that cash and signing your life away.

www.ephesians5-11.org www.fish4masons.org :)


To ALL non-masons and aspirants,

Don't pay attention to people who make statements like this^^ when it comes to Masonry;besides,I know who the person is that made the post I am replying to. YES, do your research. Please know that ALL organizations get stereotyped,talked about,etc..,especially the biggest organizations out here(e.g. Masonry). Masonry is the biggest influence on ALL Greek-Lettered Fraternities and sororities; And in particular with predominately black Masonry here in the U.S. (known as Prince Hall Masons and OES,etc.) is why the B.G.L.O.'s exsist today. YES,there are fake,"bogus" people out here that CLAIM to be Masons and OES...particularly in the Black community...all of them were started by expelled Prince Hall Masons(go research on this as well).White masons in the south( more than half of them) dont recognize any black mason (whether fake or legit)because of racism,but things are changing and getting better and technically,PRince Hall Masons and OES is recognized as "regular" and legit all over the world(we do have lodges and other houses in other countries and on military bases);what matters is...are you a 'mainstream'(white) or Prince Hall Mason or OES. YES, you have to pay dues if you become a member...JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION (i.e. church,synagouge,mousk,boy scouts,girls scouts,etc..). And last but not least...you're NOT signing your life way...lol.Oh,and Masonry is NOT a relgion..


...that's why it's important to do research and speak with a Mason or Eastern Star in general.

[PHA_luv]

To ALL non-masons and aspirants,

Don't pay attention to people who make statements like this^^ when it comes to Masonry;besides,I know who the person is that made the post I am replying to. YES, do your research. Please know that ALL organizations get stereotyped,talked about,etc..,especially the biggest organizations out here(e.g. Masonry). Masonry is the biggest influence on ALL Greek-Lettered Fraternities and sororities; And in particular with predominately black Masonry here in the U.S. (known as Prince Hall Masons and OES,etc.) is why the B.G.L.O.'s exsist today. YES,there are fake,"bogus" people out here that CLAIM to be Masons and OES...particularly in the Black community...all of them were started by expelled Prince Hall Masons(go research on this as well).White masons in the south( more than half of them) dont recognize any black mason (whether fake or legit)because of racism,but things are changing and getting better and technically,PRince Hall Masons and OES is recognized as "regular" and legit all over the world(we do have lodges and other houses in other countries and on military bases);what matters is...are you a 'mainstream'(white) or Prince Hall Mason or OES. YES, you have to pay dues if you become a member...JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION (i.e. church,synagouge,mousk,boy scouts,girls scouts,etc..). And last but not least...you're NOT signing your life way...lol.Oh,and Masonry is NOT a relgion..


...that's why it's important to do research and speak with a Mason or Eastern Star in general.

Great way to address this comment. I would like to add that with any organization there are certain cultural issues such as race that is changing in this nation, yes it is a slow some times painfully change, but these changes have been filtering down into all of our organizations.

In the chapter that I was initiated into, which is Prince Hall Affiliated (predominantly black), I had a white sister that I love dearly that was initiated with me as well as a mixed (mexican/black) sister, and a mexican sister that I was initiated with as well.

Also in the MD jurisdiction the predominantly black Prince Hall Masons and the Predominantly white Masons had it formally passed that they will recognize each other and have co-sponosored events where they bring in new masons, black and white, together in a joint effort to formally show that it's about the organization and the things we do for our communities as a whole, not about our race.

I think some of the main points that should be looked at here for any organization is to do your research, as to get as much of a good idea as possible about what you are getting your self into. Make sure that you are still putting your organization in the correct place on your life's priority list. Your higher source of spiritual guidence, your family, your career, etc. Don't neglect your life's responsibilities. Be a positive force in your organization. Ever heard of the saying "If you're not on the way, then you're in the way." -Unknown? Don't be in the way of the positive progress of your organization.

[beverysure]

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[beverysure]

WHAT IS THE UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN AND THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD ? AND HOW DOSE JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY TO GOD FIT IN OR DOSE HE FIT IN TO THAT CONCEPT


http://www.fish4masons.org/issues/pdf/To%20help%20market%20and%20support%20the%20ministr y%20of%20Ephesians5-11_org_&%20EMFJ_fogbom.PDF?

[PrinceHall]

Great way to address this comment. I would like to add that with any organization there are certain cultural issues such as race that is changing in this nation, yes it is a slow some times painfully change, but these changes have been filtering down into all of our organizations.

In the chapter that I was initiated into, which is Prince Hall Affiliated (predominantly black), I had a white sister that I love dearly that was initiated with me as well as a mixed (mexican/black) sister, and a mexican sister that I was initiated with as well.

Also in the MD jurisdiction the predominantly black Prince Hall Masons and the Predominantly white Masons had it formally passed that they will recognize each other and have co-sponosored events where they bring in new masons, black and white, together in a joint effort to formally show that it's about the organization and the things we do for our communities as a whole, not about our race.

I think some of the main points that should be looked at here for any organization is to do your research, as to get as much of a good idea as possible about what you are getting your self into. Make sure that you are still putting your organization in the correct place on your life's priority list. Your higher source of spiritual guidence, your family, your career, etc. Don't neglect your life's responsibilities. Be a positive force in your organization. Ever heard of the saying "If you're not on the way, then you're in the way." -Unknown? Don't be in the way of the positive progress of your organization.


VERY well said, sis.

YES, everywhere except 10 states in the south recognizes Prince Hall Masons and Eastern Stars; Racism from the white bruhs down there insn't the main issue that much anymore. See,recognition works both ways meaning that the Prince Hall(predominately black) Masons have to recognize the 'Mainstream' (Predominately white) Masons and vise versa. For instance, in Tennessee and Alabama the White Bruhs actually requested recognition from the Prince Hall bruhs in those two states,but the Prince Hall bruhs turned THEM down...they basically said "we aight." So when you think about it,the black bruhs down there are racists as well....not all of them,and not all of the white bruhs are like that just quite a few too many are. But like I stated before,things are changing in a positive way,so...


P.S., that "Beverysure" guy be on alot of other greek/masonic websites false prophetizing as well,so don't pay any attnetion to him...we're all adults,so therefore do your research and make your own decisions...you will never know unless you go through...guessing and coming up with lies will only make you miserable...

[beverysure]

If you want the truth dont listen to these guys because they are bound:) to COCEAL THE REAL. www.fish4masons.org Now these ex masons will tell the truth they are bound by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. WHO THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED:)

DID THE WORD OF GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH?

[PrinceHall]

If you want the truth dont listen to these guys because they are bound:) to COCEAL THE REAL. www.fish4masons.org Now these ex masons will tell the truth they are bound by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. WHO THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED:)

DID THE WORD OF GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH?


so since you're listening to some "ex-masons",you think you know it all now,huh?I have heard ex-Omegas,ex-AKA;s,etc.,talk bad about their "ex-organization," but I never look at the organization different.I hear about certain chapter's of XYZ frat when it comes to hazing,but I dont look at the organization as a whole in a bad way.People have left the fraternal order of Masonry as well as Greek-Lettered organizations and organizations in general(i.e. church),because they saw reason to do so whether it made sense to leave or not. People leave organizations for the typical reasons you hear all the time(and really,it's not an epidemic);because they been through a few bad experiences,or just because someone stopped them from doing what they wanted to do in the org.,or because that organization was just not for them,etc...I can go on and on. when it all boils down to it,people make the choice to do what they want to do;nobody can control that but that person....even GOD leaves it up to us to make choices whether right or wrong,but he will ALWAYS show us the right way and he will always speak to us;never leave or forsake us,period. ALL GLO's and Masons/Eastern Stars are taught to NEVER put the organization before GOD,family and other important priorities like your job,school,etc. Greek-Lettered organizations and Masonry are all christian-based organizations;none of them are a religion! In order to be a mason you have to be a believer in GOD;I can't speak for the Greeks on that,but with Masonry,yes....and they check that type of stuff. Most of the masons and eastern stars that I've met are christian's...strong believer's in GOD and christ jesus;Muslims and Jewish can join the Order as well,because they are believers as well.So I speak again,Masonry is NOT a religion,but has alot of religious character in it. Masonry is all through the Holy Bible,because it is symbolic of the Holy bible.See why it is important to do your research,and never dwell off of someone's comments?

[beverysure]

"Always put GOD first..nothing else" which god?


My God is Jesus Christ is yours?

prince i agree with most of what you say. What you said earlier is the same thing a former 33rd degree mason told me in new york and after researching and knowing my bglo ritual I denounced. I loved my frat but I love Jesus Christ more.
:)

[PHA_luv]

I have a honest question to ask:confused: . The people who are denouncing their organizations because they are putting God first, did you not know how to do that when you were in your organization?

I'm really trying to get an understanding of the arguments that many people that put up links like this do & I just can't understand their arguments or points:confused: . Never once in my organization have I been asked, ordered, or it even been implied to put the organization before anything, especially not God, family, or work.

Second I know how to keep God first in my life no matter how demanding things can be in my life:D , so is the problem that these people get too caught up in their organizations then see that they are putting their organizations first, then feel so upset about it instead of devoting more time to their savior and put their organization in it's proper place in their life, they feel that they can't balance the two out so it's either one or the other???

I'm really not trying to be funny, I'm just trying to understand since the solution to the issue for these people seems clear to me. Cut back on the org and devote more time to God. It doesn't mean that you have to denounce anything.

[beverysure]

my testimony is... one day i came from the club fell
a sleep and woke up the next day with the thought to
not eat meat for 30 days ...now at this time i was not
a christian i was into all sorts of philosophies and
religions ... i figured what did i have to lose but a
couple pounds .. but 15 days into this no meat fast i
woke up free from weed. it was weird .. then i went to
my job and saw a flyer to audition for a play. i was
cast in a gospel play . when i read the script i knew
this play was about me. the name of the play was MAMA
DEE'S GIRLS. now i am rehearsing with these praying
Christians. no one new that i was not a follower i fit
in because i was raised in the church. before we went
on the road i came home for new years eve 2001 ...i
was headed for a party and on the way i was selling
one of my foul Cd's to this young girl at the gas
station... well as soon as that 10 dollars hit my hand
i was convicted and new i was wrong in pushing this
lyrical pornography. i looked at her and asked what
she was doing tonight and she said she was going to
church. and i knew what God was telling me TO DO. i
walked in church and all i heard was family this and
family that. and for the first time i realized that i
had become an apostle of satan in fact when i looked
at my shirt during church service it was covered with
dragons breathing fire. i left that night and decided
to do a gospel CD. songs just came TO ME and i
recorded them ....7 months later i ended up in Atlanta
at Bishop Eddie Longs church. that was the first time
i heard a preacher who was an omega say that he did a
foolish thing by branding his body. i just brushed it
off. a church from new york invited ME to work with
their choir and i followed them that very weekend . on
the way i brother asked me how was i doing gospel
music and i did not have a bible. i said i don't
know...well i met Sean slaughter around the 4 of July
and we hit it off .AND WE DID A CD CALLED THA DUGEON.
the church gave me my first bible and i was cool .then
A Nigerian prophet layed hands on me and when i
finally got up OFF THE FLOOR ...i went back to my
basement apt in queens and began to devour the bible.
i met a former 33rd degree mason who told me about the
god of the lodge and the connection to frats 2 weeks
later i denounced and about a month or so later GOD
SPOKE TO ME AND TOLD ME TO MARRY THIS WOMEN FROM HAITI
WHOM I HAD JUST MET.

IT WAS THE BEST THING I EVER DONE FALLING IN LOVE
WITH JESUS ...WHO IN RETURN GAVE ME HIS SPIRIT, A WIFE ,3 KIDS
, a HOME ,A VAN AND A MUSIC MINISTRY

THANK YOU YAHSHUA :)

[PHA_luv]

That is wonderful that you have rebuilt a very strong relationship with God, but I'm sorry I did not see the answer to the question that I asked in your testimony. To me it seemed that if you were trying to answer my question that your life was basically already away from God & then you came back to him. I'm talking about those that already have a strong relationship with God and that already put him first. Let me post up what the original questions that I had up again so that they can clearly be answered.

I have a honest question to ask:confused: . The people who are denouncing their organizations because they are putting God first, did you not know how to do that when you were in your organization?

I'm really trying to get an understanding of the arguments that many people that put up links like this do & I just can't understand their arguments or points:confused: . Never once in my organization have I been asked, ordered, or it even been implied to put the organization before anything, especially not God, family, or work.

Second I know how to keep God first in my life no matter how demanding things can be in my life:D , so is the problem that these people get too caught up in their organizations then see that they are putting their organizations first, then feel so upset about it instead of devoting more time to their savior and put their organization in it's proper place in their life, they feel that they can't balance the two out so it's either one or the other???

I'm really not trying to be funny, I'm just trying to understand since the solution to the issue for these people seems clear to me. Cut back on the org and devote more time to God. It doesn't mean that you have to denounce anything.

[PrinceHall]

I put GOD as in my lord and savior JESUS CHRIST first,because without him all things are impossible.Alot of people say that,but they say it just to put on a front....I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY IT.

Anybody that put their organization before GOD,family,their job,and school(if applicable),then they're going about everything the wrong way,and it'll catch up to them(it usually does). I don't put Masonry or any other organization that I want to be apart of before GOD,Family,school,and work...NO WAY.

Masonry and GLO's don't serve a god within the organization,you should know that "Beverysure"...you were an Omega,remember?? Well in my eyes,once one always one.


P.S.,whoever made that webiste need to do their research.For instance,they said "Freemasonry has been around for over 300 years,"..........HUH?!
First of all,there's two types of Masonry;Speculative(or Honorary-which is who we are [modern]) and Operative Masonry(ancient).Operative Masons were the original masons who actually built temples,bridges,etc.. waaaay back in the day;Operative (or stone)Masons go back to egypt times,but speculative masonry go back to the 1600's.............go do your research.


I'mma tell you right now "Beverysure",you'll reck your brain trying to figure Masonry out;talking to ex-masons aint gonna do it for you,brother...

[beverysure]

Now i can not speak for those who are christian before they pledge. I was not.

Lets make it clear my testimony is about what happenned to me . If it helps the next person so be it.


I went to a revival at a Holy Ghost Church I had never been to this type of church service before.
well i did not believe in laying on hands and people falling out. Until it happenned to me.

A small nigerian lady layed hands on me and prayed and A 300 lb omega man went in the air and landed head first on the ground.

When i finally got up I left and began to eat the Word of God . Before that night the bible would put me to sleep.

Well I figured that God wanted me to stay at this Haitian Church. The pastor spoke english and treated me like his little brother.

2 weeks later a Former 33rd degree mason met me at the church and shared with me his exp. as a mason in Haiti and America . after studying and praying for 2 weeks i denounced because i knew omega... that frat that i loved would not take that which was revealed to me out of the ritual.

After i took those plates off my truck and sent a letter to nationals about a week later early in the mourning I had a divine encounter. God spoke to me and gave me specific instructions.

Since then I have seen the super natural. I have exp miracles. and every where i preach i sing the song i use to sing as a q


IIIIIII KKNNOOWW iivve BBEEEEN CCCChhhAAANNGED THE ANGEL IN HEAVEN DONE SIGHNED MY NAME.


AMEN BROTHER I DO LOVE YOU GUYS AND I PRAY THAT YOU PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MASTER JESUS CHRIST GROWS STRONGER EVERYDAY

EZEKIAL 33 IS WHO WE ARE WATCHMEN IN THE NAME OF JESUS:)

[BlessedOne04]

I believe in miracles as well but I do have one question....why are you on Greek chat if you have denounced being greek? I'm not saying you need or have to be greek to post on the site. It just seems like you are being an antagonist. JMO

[PHA_luv]

I think his purpose is not to antagonize. I think he is trying to show that what he did in his situation is an option to the next lost soul that is currently in his past situation. Which it's good that he's trying to assist in saving the lost;), but if you already have a strong relationship with God then it is not applicable to you.

I do agree with Prince Hall that anyone that tries to figure out any of the complex masonic or BGL's organizations that don't belong to each of them (which no one does) are going to reck their brain to figure them out. No one will ever completely understand the next person's organization like they know their own. There have been too many years of work to understand each & every aspect about your own organization, let alone someone elses org.

How do you post a website that you can't even be able to check or attest to the accuracy of the information:confused:? So actually if you are putting out negative information about someone or an organization that is incorrect & is not in your personal opinion, from my training & knowlege that's slander:mad:. No one wants to be given a bad name due to incorrect information being given out to people that don't know anything about them, so let's think about what we do before we do it people.;)

[beverysure]

I am at greek chat to talk to brothers and sisters and give my opinion.And how it came about. I love people regardless if they are in or out of a org.
:)

[PHA_luv]

Just out of curiousity for all the of masons and stars, what chapter are you all with? what jurisdiction are you all with? what position do you hold in your chapter? and what events do you have planned for the year?

I am currently with Columbine Chapter # 46, MD Jurisdiction:) (Formerly with Electa Chapter 67, NC Juris.:D)
Currently I am a general member since I just demitted into the chapter
The most current event that we will be having is our Fall Activity with Praise Dancers, I'm not really sure how this goes:confused: since this will be my first major annual event with them.

[whiteandblack]

Ruth Chapter #102, PHA
Nabbar Ct., D.O.I. #123
Atlanta, Ga.

This month we have our Potentate and Commadress Ball, and next month we have the Atlanta District 3 School of Instruction and the Imperial Session. We do various volunteer work around the community (last weekend we had our local Feed the Hungry drive), but I'm working with the Chapter to link up with Habitat for Humanity.

I'm curious PHA_luv, are you a teacher, psychologist...? I enjoy reading your responses, because I, along with Blessedone04, was wanting to label beverysure an antagonist but you help put a different light on the situation.

[IASKTHEQUESTION]

If you don't mind me asking, exactly what are the Christian principles each organization are founded on?

[IASKTHEQUESTION]

Quote: I put GOD as in my lord and savior JESUS CHRIST first,because without him all things are impossible.Alot of people say that,but they say it just to put on a front....I MEAN IT WHEN I SAY IT.

Anybody that put their organization before GOD,family,their job,and school(if applicable),then they're going about everything the wrong way,and it'll catch up to them(it usually does). I don't put Masonry or any other organization that I want to be apart of before GOD,Family,school,and work...NO WAY.

Masonry and GLO's don't serve a god within the organization,you should know that "Beverysure"...you were an Omega,remember?? Well in my eyes,once one always one.


P.S.,whoever made that webiste need to do their research.For instance,they said "Freemasonry has been around for over 300 years,"..........HUH?!
First of all,there's two types of Masonry;Speculative(or Honorary-which is who we are [modern]) and Operative Masonry(ancient).Operative Masons were the original masons who actually built temples,bridges,etc.. waaaay back in the day;Operative (or stone)Masons go back to egypt times,but speculative masonry go back to the 1600's.............go do your research.


I'mma tell you right now "Beverysure",you'll reck your brain trying to figure Masonry out;talking to ex-masons aint gonna do it for you,brother...
__________________
"The Father of ALL"
/G\ Fraternal Order of Freemasonry-Prince Hall Affiliation /G\
"Beware of fake masonry amongst you" for more information,please visit:
http://www.bogusmasonry.org

"Always put GOD first..nothing else" End Quote:


Even if you say you don't serve other God's in the organization (I'll give you that right now) you do have to take an oath (pledge) to enter into the organization which is strictly forbodden in the bible. If you are saved (which I believe you are) the only brotherhood you need is the BODY of CHRIST, it does say so many times in the bible that we are indeed brethren, so I'm just curious to know, what does the Masons give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?

[PHA_luv]

Ruth Chapter #102, PHA
Nabbar Ct., D.O.I. #123
Atlanta, Ga.

This month we have our Potentate and Commadress Ball, and next month we have the Atlanta District 3 School of Instruction and the Imperial Session. We do various volunteer work around the community (last weekend we had our local Feed the Hungry drive), but I'm working with the Chapter to link up with Habitat for Humanity.

I'm curious PHA_luv, are you a teacher, psychologist...? I enjoy reading your responses, because I, along with Blessedone04, was wanting to label beverysure an antagonist but you help put a different light on the situation.

No i'm not any of the above just a recent college grad.

I'll be honest I was rubbed the wrong way at first, but i'm confident and secure in my relationships with God, my organization, and in the overall good in what other people's organizations do in our communities as well. Without masonic and BGLO's women, our country, as well as our black community would not have gotten as far as we have. I also believe that it's a good rule of thumb to try and look at the good, rather than the bad because the person really could mean good, but you just misinterpreted what they were saying.

As a representative from my chapter i'm going to participate in the Walk Against Domestic Violence i believe it is in October. I'm participating through a local area sorority as to build relationships between our chapter and other greek organizations in the area.

[PHA_luv]

IASKTHE QUESTION: "the only brotherhood you need is the BODY of CHRIST, it does say so many times in the bible that we are indeed brethren, so I'm just curious to know, what does the Masons give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?"

I don't think that anyone that is in an organization is saying that they need these organizations to survive. Many of us achieved before we became XYZ and we will continue to grow and prosper with or without XYZ because that is the type of persons that we are.

The oaths that we are taking are not to the extreme that we are saying that we are devoting our souls to a body out side of Christ. Most organized organizations have a oath or mission that they follow to keep the ideals of their organizations on track. For example when you become barred as a lawyer you have to take a professional oath, I do believe preachers have to take a form of oath. These oaths don't mean that we worship a false prophet or anything of the such.

Masonry, OES, BGLO's are another venue for many people can come together without regard to your exact denomination where they otherwise would not, and participate in community service for the good of their surrounding communities.

Yes there are chapters in all of our organizations that fall out of line with what our chapters are all about, but when looking at our organizations look deeper. Look at how much positivity we inject into this world, in comparison to the negative issues that may have heard about. I truely believe the good out weighs the bad.

[beverysure]

I never took an oath to become a preacher. When God calls you ...you just start preaching.

[Visionary22]

I never took an oath to become a preacher. When God calls you ...you just start preaching.

This made me chuckle.

[BlessedOne04]

I never took an oath to become a preacher. When God calls you ...you just start preaching.
Thats bogus!! There is more to it than that. Maybe you are missing something if you think it just that simple.

[PHA_luv]

I thought that you had to go through training and basically be taught by someone who has been a preacher before, and take an oath:confused: I didn't know that someone could just become a preacher all of a sudden.

But whatever the situation the point was lost and/or shifted from the point that I am making. There are so many organizations out there that are meant to better and help people. We may fall short in some areas and there is no way that we can please everyone, but if so much good is coming from these organizations, why do people try to condemn us?

I support other organizations that are out there busting their butts and pockets to help others that can't help themselves. My other question is what types of community service and aid are those that are against masonic & BGLO's do on their own?

Not to avoid the question of IASKTHEQUESTION, but honestly the way that many of our organizations are, responding to your questions about exactly how our organizations are bible based, would be divulging of information that we are unable to do. I didn't want you to think that we were ignoring your question though.

Back to the topic at hand of sisters and brothers communicating their chapters, stations, & activities.

Love you all!

[FATALlady357]

Ruth Chapter #102, PHA
Nabbar Ct., D.O.I. #123
Atlanta, Ga.

This month we have our Potentate and Commadress Ball, and next month we have the Atlanta District 3 School of Instruction and the Imperial Session. We do various volunteer work around the community (last weekend we had our local Feed the Hungry drive), but I'm working with the Chapter to link up with Habitat for Humanity.

I'm curious PHA_luv, are you a teacher, psychologist...? I enjoy reading your responses, because I, along with Blessedone04, was wanting to label beverysure an antagonist but you help put a different light on the situation.


You are correct Sis/Dt. We do a LOT of volunteer work and community service in helping others. IMO THIS is what matters and falls right in line with what our five heriones stand for. All of our organizations (Masonry, OES, BGLO's) work for the betterment of our communities. This Fred Hatchett mentality has been around for a long time, so all we need to do is to continue to let our lights shine and support each other in our good deeds!

BTW, the Ball was LOTS of fun!

[beverysure]

Man made churches got all kinds of rules and regulations confirmations and ordinations But when you are touched by the master JESUS CHRIST rivers of living water will flow out of your belly. I know little kids who preach. All saints, thats born again believers, are preachers.:)
Where did Paul who has written most of the new testament learn how to do what he did after he got knocked off that horse?:cool:

[beverysure]

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&isbn=0688169740


This book is off the chain.:eek: Proud Alphaman Tony Brown puts out a classic.
bglo /masons really need to peep this.
I was shocked at first but he has always thought outside of the box. :cool: www.tonybrown.com

[PHA_luv]

So what are some more of the community service & chapter/lodge programs that the Sisters & Brothers have during the upcoming year? Doesn't matter what houses you are a part of

[vintagecharm]

Star, You are so right on point. I don't understand why people choose to remain in the dark. I to have done some fairly extensive research myself. Give me a shout out when possible perhaps we should compare info. Some people think I should publish the info that I've found but I don't think that it is for everyone to know.

Queen Esther #9
Detroit, MI
AF&AM


Originally posted by hiram7500
I am an OES member. My husband is a Mason.
I have spent 8 years researching masonry to it's roots.
I regret to inform you that with all your so-called education, you - none of you who are condemning Masonry or OES know what you're talking about.

Hiram Abiff is symbolic of a 'Master Builder' one who strives to make him self godlike. He appreciates others and respects their religious choice un like any of you.

Christianity, Islam, buddisim teaches their members that all other religions are false and the work of the devil. Right?
Well guess what--there is no devil! It's all made up! That's right.
All made up by the catholic church to control you..your thoughts.. your life.

Your reference to the http://www.ephesians5-11.org/ website is absolutely the WRONG PLACE TO LOOK for the truth. All they want is to KEEP YOU FROM finding it.

The historical beginnings of christianity are where you need to look...Jesus had nothing to do with it's present form. He was a highly educated GNOSTIC...and married....and had children!

May I recommend
http://www.mastermason.com/hiramdis...istmission.html
Then I recommend you read how the christians had millions of Gnostics murdered to shut them up. They created Islam too. Then they systamatically went about murdering as many Jews as possible. Hitler was a catholic.

Those of you who call your selves born again christians are being lied to. And there is definately a 'wolf in sheeps clothing' hiding there. It isn't Masons..but it all started with the catholic church!!

I would also appreciate it if you wouldn't use my web site with "a devil in hiding" sort of description. All I've done is expose the real truth..a truth you refuse to even research.

Why do you think there was even such a thing as 'The Dark Ages'? Dark because everything was hidden, kept secret, denigned.... And still is by the church.
The nations not affected by the catholic church went about their business of scientific progress, including the practice of medicine, mathmetics, and building. This is where the Mason's come in...they were builders - highly trained mathmeticians. That is why geometry is associated with Masonry. You might want to check out the real 'forbidden secrets'... see http://www.mastermason.com/hiramdis.../forbidden.html
for a sampleing.

Why can't we just all believe in Jesus and leave it at that?


Is this the DAVINCI CODE or what?This OES is on pointThe historical beginnings of christianity are where you need to look...Jesus had nothing to do with it's present form. He was a highly educated GNOSTIC...and married....and had children!

[michellem]

Greetings all,

The Website for the Grand Chapter State of New York Order of Eastern Star has changed. http://nyoes.org//images/oes-web.jpg

Our new website is : http://www.nyoes.org (https://st101.startlogic.com:8087/webmail4/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyoes.org)


Michelle

[FeeFee]

Greetings all,

The Website for the Grand Chapter State of New York Order of Eastern Star has changed. http://nyoes.org//images/oes-web.jpg

Our new website is : http://www.nyoes.org (https://st101.startlogic.com:8087/webmail4/parse.pl?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyoes.org)


Michelle

The link doesn't work. :(

[cecarter82]

I am also a member of the Order of Eastern Star as of May 20, 2006 Laurel Creek Chapter No. 165. I am very new to this organization, but very proud to be a member of it. I am also interested in learning more information about Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority Inc. and the members here on greekchat!

[IOTA-4A'88F]

Even if you say you don't serve other God's in the organization (I'll give you that right now) you do have to take an oath (pledge) to enter into the organization which is strictly forbodden in the bible. If you are saved (which I believe you are) the only brotherhood you need is the BODY of CHRIST, it does say so many times in the bible that we are indeed brethren, so I'm just curious to know, what does the Masons give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?

I have been reading what many of you written, some I had to shake my head in disbelief, but this is one I had to comment on.... I am having problems with the term "it does say so many times in the bible" or "strictly forbidden in the bible" The Bible is a book of FAITH, it is not the absolute truth the ONE AND ONLY TRUTH. NO BOOK WRITTEN REVEALS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH. The BIBLE is a book created by MAN and we all know man has flaws. MAN's interpretation of what ANOTHER MAN thinks what GOD said written down by yet ANOTHER MAN and in english of all languages. A lost in translation type of feel. THE ONE AND ONLY TRUTH IS YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. Each persons relationship is different.

If a person chooses to affiliate themselves with an XYZ or Masonic organization and also love's his/her GOD. We as children of GOD should not question it. The Bible, Torah, Qu'ran, Piby, etc. are great and spiritually powerful books of faith, but, there is ONLY ONE place where the ABSOLUTE TRUTH is written and that is in your HEART; guess what...only GOD can read it.

I rarely like answering a question with a question but with this one, I will

"what does the Masons give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?"

-What does joining a church give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?
-What does joining groups within the church (choir, etc) give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?
-What does going on church functions give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?
-What does listening to Gospel give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?
-What does falling in love or getting married give you that the BODY of CHRIST doesn't?



Peace, blessings and understanding of self in relationship to GOD to everyone.

[DSTCHAOS]

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/bookSearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&isbn=0688169740


This book is off the chain.:eek: Proud Alphaman Tony Brown puts out a classic.
bglo /masons really need to peep this.
I was shocked at first but he has always thought outside of the box. :cool: www.tonybrown.com

Uh....

Anyway, I've always loved Tony Brown eversince I used to watch Tony Brown's Journal on PBS with my parents when I was little. I never saw him as "thinking outside of the box" as much as he was a voice of reason when many people were too busy getting riled up.

[pinkicet]

Hello, I am interested in learning more about OES. From what I've read so far you have to be directly related to an OES or Mason member. This puts me at a disadvantage because I am the first generation in my family to express interest in bglo and/or masonic orgs. Generally, in my case, is there a way around that. For example, I know a Mason personally...could be sponsor me since there would be no other way for me to get a blood relative sponsor?

[DSTCHAOS]

Man made churches got all kinds of rules and regulations confirmations and ordinations But when you are touched by the master JESUS CHRIST rivers of living water will flow out of your belly. I know little kids who preach. All saints, thats born again believers, are preachers.:)
Where did Paul who has written most of the new testament learn how to do what he did after he got knocked off that horse?:cool:


You're a storefront preacher. That's fine if that's what you want because anyone can "preach." But I wouldn't attend a church with a storefront preacher at the pulpit.

[PHA_luv]

You're a storefront preacher. That's fine if that's what you want because anyone can "preach." But I wouldn't attend a church with a storefront preacher at the pulpit.

:eek: Lol

[DSTCHAOS]

:eek: Lol

I'm not trying to be funny but I stay away from anyone who acts like they were struck with Holy lightening and suddenly became ordained.

I say give me a pastor who has formal training in the Bible as Scripture AND the Bible as literature. I don't want someone who is too "religious" or spiritual to see logic and I don't want someone who is too logical to see "religion" and The Spirit. Give me someone with a spiritually ordained balance. Blacks have come a long way from when we were mostly uneducated and just accepted anyone's word on the Word.

[PHA_luv]

I'm not trying to be funny but I stay away from anyone who acts like they were struck with Holy lightening and suddenly became ordained.

I say give me a pastor who has formal training in the Bible as Scripture AND the Bible as literature. I don't want someone who is too "religious" or spiritual to see logic and I don't want someone who is too logical to see "religion" and The Spirit. Give me someone with a spiritually ordained balance. Blacks have come a long way from when we were mostly uneducated and just accepted anyone's word on the Word.

You sound like you're speaking for me as well.

[kboop0178]

The climate in this area is rather hot. I hope the holiday season will cheer everyone up and the temperature would cool everything down.

______________________________
St. Mary's #49 O.E.S. - A.F. & A.M.
www.stmarys49oes.tk (http://www.stmarys49oes.tk)

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
-- Martin Luther King Jr.

[Mightymom]

I am at a decision making point, and would like to get some insight. I live in Georgia and WANTING to become a part of OES. I am confused about Afiliation and the types of Masonry. My father is PHA. I understand the open bloodline session, but in seeking information from members, I get different opions on PHA and types of Masonry. I would like to be PHA. However, in speaking to other members who speak of PHA's lack of ability to get certain accredidations (recognition), I am becoming more confused . In speaking with PHA members, I have been told that they are more recognized.... I am continuously seeking guidance, but members are continuously speaking against each other. What am I to do? Who do I need to speak with in order to get the proper information I need to take the next step? It is sad that everyone has the same mission, but are so divided... Can you help me with resources available to someone who is seeking to make a decision?

Thank you....

[Mightymom]

I am at a decision making point, and would like to get some insight. I live in Georgia and WANTING to become a part of OES. I am confused about Afiliation and the types of Masonry. My father is PHA. I understand the open bloodline session, but in seeking information from members, I get different opions on PHA and types of Masonry. I would like to be PHA. However, in speaking to other members who speak of PHA's lack of ability to get certain accredidations (recognition), I am becoming more confused . In speaking with PHA members, I have been told that they are more recognized.... I am continuously seeking guidance, but members are continuously speaking against each other. What am I to do? Who do I need to speak with in order to get the proper information I need to take the next step? It is sad that everyone has the same mission, but are so divided... Can you help me with resources available to someone who is seeking to make a decision?

Thank you....

[SistaTruth]

I am also a member of OES.

Ruth Chapter #2
Prince Hall

[SistaTruth]

Mighty Mom:

There are a few things that you must remember. People are people, regardless of the organizations' that they are affiliated with. In all organizations, from Greek to church, there are members who put the other Greek organization or church down. There are also people that will love their organization, defend it by any means, and remain loyal. Remember, if I am not Prince Hall then I can not truly tell you about Prince Hall because I am not a member I could never give you an actual statement about experience in their shoes because I have not walked in them. I am basically trying to say. Everything that you have heard is not true. Should you go Prince Hall? Only you can determine that. I suggest that you look beyond the recognition and look into the organization itself. Affiliate you self with members who are Prince Hall and those who are not and you make the decision that feels good in your heart. I love my organization and my lodge, I would not trade this siStarhood for the world!!!! Good Luck!

[SistaTruth]

I serve as a point of the Star.

[BlessedKMJ]

Hi, I am interested in becoming a member of OES but my grandfather, who was a member is deceased and I don't have is lodge information. Is their anyway that I can still become a member? because I am close friends with mason's but as you know, they are very secretive about the organization. Thank you!

[ladygreek]

Did you read this thread?

[BlessedKMJ]

Yes, I read the thread but if I wasn't still confused I woudn't have asked. Some people tell me that I don't need affiliation but only a petition from masons and others tell me differently. For this reason, I am still asking the question; do you have to have family affiliation to join? Thank you.

[ladygreek]

Yes, I read the thread but if I wasn't still confused I woudn't have asked. Some people tell me that I don't need affiliation but only a petition from masons and others tell me differently. For this reason, I am still asking the question; do you have to have family affiliation to join? Thank you.
And the answer seems to be it depends and to talk with your local affiliate or visit the OES website.

[knight_shadow]

And the answer seems to be it depends and to talk with your local affiliate or visit the OES website.

For emphasis. Thank you, LG! :cool:

[jessiwannabe]

Great organization I love being an EASTERN STAR. Community service is a big deal in my chapter. We do all we can.

[lswann]

belly dancer,

A woman must be the wife, daughter (biological or adopted), sister, mother, or widow of a Master Mason to be eligible for membership. Some chapters also accept grandaughters, sister-in-laws, mother-in-laws, step-mothers, step-sisters, half-sisters, and neices of Master Masons. (Please check with your local chapter for their requirements.) She must be at least 18 years old, be of good moral character, be free of mental illness, have a belief in a Supreme Being, be willing to assume the obligation of The Order, be able to participate in the initiation ceremony, not have any felony convictions, and be a resident of her state for at least 12 months. A man must be a Master Mason in good standing to be eligible for membership. Sometimes the state may have open enrollment, which means you don't have to be related to a Master Mason. Check with your local chapter about that.

OES
St. John #25 ( The MIGHTY St. John)
Cincinnati, Ohio

[mygirlayanna]

Okay, After serious research I discovered that Georgia has "open blood line" in January and February. I called to inquire but was told I needed someone to invite me in. I am not a native of Atlanta and i don't no any Eastern Stars here. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to meet me and perhaps then invite me to petition the organization? Any advice would be helpful.

[laurent]

Does anyone know the difference between OES and Mechanics?

[creolequeen]

I am in college and I can't find any Eastern Stars in my area even though I know there are plenty here. I saw one at my college last year but I didn't go talk to her :(
I am really interested and I really want it, my only issue is lack of social networking.

[Senusret I]

Does anyone know the difference between OES and Mechanics?

http://iuomwh.org/

After doing a quick search, the short answer is that Mechanism is very similar to Freemasonry but not the same. I had never heard of it until you mentioned it.

[laurent]

http://iuomwh.org/

After doing a quick search, the short answer is that Mechanism is very similar to Freemasonry but not the same. I had never heard of it until you mentioned it.


Thanks for the Link

[Senusret I]

Thanks to a news item about headstones from black cemeteries in DC, I learned of a black women's organization called the United Order of Tents (http://unitedorderoftents.org).

I figured it would be best to put it here.

[Honeykiss1974]

Thanks to a news item about headstones from black cemeteries in DC, I learned of a black women's organization called the United Order of Tents (http://unitedorderoftents.org).

I figured it would be best to put it here.

I just read their website and their history was interesting. Thanks for posting the link!

[blackbird]

Are organizations like the Prince Hall Masons, OES, Elks, Daughters of Isis, Odd Fellows, and the Mechanics still culturally relevant? They seemed to be very popular amongst the older generations of African Americans, but today they seem obsolete and very unpopular amongst my generation. I just never met an Elk of my generation. Do people still join these organizations?

[Senusret I]

What exactly is your generation?

I think they're still popular in my area and that people are still discovering them as they mature and get bored with their existing affiliations.

[DSTRen13]

Where do you live? Here in Georgia, they are popular.

[blackbird]

I am in my 30's and spend most of my time in Atlanta and Pittsburgh.

[sherrie]

Im interested in becoming a Eastern Star but don't know how to go about getting information on joining can some one help me?

[aideclaire]

<----recently found out her dad is a 32nd degree Mason

[chocolate_drop]

Hello Sistars!

Calvary Chapter #32
OES,PHA
Balitmore,MD

[chocolate_drop]

OES & Mason is still really strong..especially down south.You will find a lot of people in their 20's and 30's that are OES/Masons

[MeezDiscreet]

OES & Mason is still really strong..especially down south.You will find a lot of people in their 20's and 30's that are OES/Masons

And a lot more that are older than that.

[chocolate_drop]

Yes your right about that.OES/Masons are from young adults to seasoned..I was just referring to the person who said it wasnt popular with their age group.which i assumed was 20's or 30's

[iTravel357]

Im interested in becoming a Eastern Star but don't know how to go about getting information on joining can some one help me?

Contact you Local Chapter's Sec. and also visit their website to submit a request for info.

[youknow09]

Where are you located? Email me at keko85@yahoo.com

[PHA_357]

There are only 2 Legit bodies that is PHA F&AM and Mainstream (predominantly Caucasian)....PHO will never be received as regular due to their irregular formation and practice

I hail from:
Eureka Lodge #16 F&AM-PHA
Flint,MI
Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Michigan/Jurisdiciton


I've seen some real interesting comments in this intresting thread.
for aspirants of the Order of Eastern Star: for every OES chapter and grand chapter of each state/jurisdiction,there's a lodge and grand lodge for each one..well...there's suppose to be. No OES grand or local chapter can "work" or conduct business without being under a properly chartered lodge or Grand Lodge;Eastern Stars can't conduct meetings or anything w/o a mason(s) present. The OES is actually a unisex group,because men that are masons in good standing can be apart of the OES;they just have to take their degrees as well. You must be 18 to join,you must have a "bloodline",and fit other qualifications of getting voted in. Like someone mentioned on here before,there are some state/jurisdictions that have what we call an "open bloodline" session(i.e. Georgia has an "open bloodline" session two months out of the year);some states/jurisdictions have "open bloodline" period now (i.e. Texas..from what I was told).



Eventhough Masonry is bigger than affiliation(dont just look at it affiliation wise),there are three types of masonry in the U.S.,you have:
Predominately white 'Mainstream' Masons (F&AM/AF&AM) and OES,Prince Hall Affiliation Masons (F&AM) and OES,and Prince Hall Origin-National Compact (F&AAYM) and OES. P.H.O. is still working on being officially recognized from what I was told...I only know little bit about them. 'Mainstream' (or predominately white)Masonry was brought to the U.S. in the early 1700's,under the authority of the United Grand Lodge of England. Prince Hall (or Predominately black) Masonry was established in the U.S. in Boston,MS in 1775 and chartered in 1784. The first lodge for African-Americans is African lodge #459 a year after Prince Hall and fourteen other black men (the "immortal 15") were raised in a white military lodge in boston named Irish Lodge #441...you go read the rest. And find research the history of OES...when it was establised,why,etc..


ALL of the properly chartered,"regular", and/or recognized Grand and Local Lodges/OES chapters of the U.S. work under the United Grand Lodge of England. but all in all, do more research on the order;find out who Prince Hall was why/when Prince Hall Masonry was establised in the U.S....everything. Don't just go to any ol' lodge or OES chapter,because you might "come up short"...don't think that everything you see is real.


And with Masonry being the biggest Fraternity in the world,there's Masons and Eastern stars in other countries;They have their own Grand and Local lodges as well.

OES is also known to be "the Mother of ALL"...
Which founders from AKA,DST,ZPB,and SGR where members of the OES before they found those 4 beautiful BGLO's? I don't know...I'm still trying to find info on that.

I'm through for now...

[5stars]

can u please tell me how i can find my local OES chapter for Detroit, Michigan...

[faireststar]

can u please tell me how i can find my local OES chapter for Detroit, Michigan...


http://www.miphgl.org/

[ladygreek]

Wow, a nine years-old thread still going. Talk about longevity.

[shuwun11]

I know right

[Tangent]

Last week I began looking into to the Freemasons and their plan on The One World Oder and just how deep that madness is. The I come across the Easterns Stars and found that the two are completely connected. The OES also believes this is a Christian Organization, but how is that so if the Freemasons worship Lucifer (Aka Set). Please read the following and know this is not but no means an atttacked but a need for insight.

Here it is:

Next to Freemasonry itself, our ministry is most questioned about the Order of the Eastern Star (OES), the "Star" as it is fondly called.
http://www.chick.com/ads/homepage/MasonryAd.gif (http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0193.asp) The OES was founded in 1868 as a women's auxiliary for the Lodge. It is open to all female relatives of Masons, and functions under the authority of the Lodge. A Master Mason, called the Worthy Patron MUST be present at all Star meetings. There is also another Mason, an Associate Patron, usually present. Otherwise, all the offices are held by women.
To ask what the Star does is a bit like asking what a Lodge does. The easy answer is: Not much. However, the Star does what little it does with a tremendous amount of pomp and ceremony.
Star meetings, like Lodge meetings, consist of opening the meeting with much waving of rods and banners and the singing of hymns. The officers ritually declare their stations and functions and Grand Chapter officers are introduced and honored with tedious predictability. This can easily kill a half hour to forty-five minutes.
Then, minutes are read, sick members are mentioned and any items of mundane business transacted, much like any other club. If members are to be initiated, that is done, and that can take at least an hour.
Then the chapter is solemnly closed, with a lot more ceremonial ado, followed by a social hour. Ultimately, the chief function of a Star chapter, like a Lodge, is to make more members! Everything else is secondary to that.
The Star is regarded by Masonic women as a fine Christian institution within Masonry.
Classics like How Great Thou Art are sung. The motto of the chapter is right out of the Bible: "We have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him'" (Matthew 2:2).
Sadly, one of the key strategies a cult uses is to play upon the common interpretation of words. Dealing with any cult involves getting through a jungle of definitions.
The cult will use words which have common meanings, like "Jesus" or "saved," or well known Bible verses, but will carefully not explain to potential members that they have applied a subtext to these terms, a second layer of meaning!
This is the problem with the OES. The people who put the order together back in the 19th century relied upon the familiarity with Matthew 2:2 as a common "Christmas verse." However, in light of the satanic symbolism involved in the OES, we need to look for another layer of meaning applied to that verse of scripture.
The A.V. 1611 text does not say "eastern star." It says "star in the east." The phrase "Eastern Star" has a specialized meaning in occultism.
It refers to the star, Sirius, which is the most significant star in Satanism! It is sacred to the god, Set. Remember Set as the evil Egyptian god who killed Osiris? Set is probably the oldest form of Satan! The Eastern Star is the star of Set.
However, deadly word games are being played here. Though most women involved in the OES doubtlessly assume they are worshiping Jesus as they kneel around a huge satanic pentagram, it is obvious that the "his" actually refers to Set's star, not Jesus' star.
In Albert Pike's commentary on this degree, we find the usual duplicity found elsewhere in the Lodge. He explains:
"To find in the BLAZING STAR of five points an allusion to Divine Providence is fanciful; and to make it commemorative of the Star that is said to have guided the Magi, is to give it a meaning comparatively modern. Originally, it represented Sirius, or the Dog-star, the forerunner of the inundation of the Nile…"
Pike readily casts aside the bland lie of the degree and confirms that the blazing star is neither Divine Providence, nor is it Jesus' "star in the east." It is an Egyptian idol, the symbol of Sirius!
There is another critical problem in the Star—a reason why no Christian woman would wish to be a part of this organization.
Set (Lucifer) is the acknowledged god of Masonry. Thus, what does it mean for a Christian woman to be adopted into the Star? She is submitting herself to the spiritual authority of Lucifer.
She may not know it, but in bowing before the altar of the Star, the inverted pentagram of Baphomet, she has surrendered herself (however innocently) to the gods of Masonry. That WILL give Satan an entry point into her life, no matter how devout a Christian she may be.

[Senusret I]

The leader is good.
The leader is great.
Surrender your will
As of of this date.


Na na na na, na na na na LEADER!

[MysticCat]

Last week I began looking into to the Freemasons and their plan on The One World Oder and just how deep that madness is. Not nearly as deep as the madness in your post.

[Tangent]

Please enlighten me, as I only have questions.....not judgement, but this is the same infomation I continue to find. That is why im here.