We Are Not A Sorority!!!

[RileyAnn_SAI]

We are listed as a sorority, and we should be listed as a fraternity (because that's what we are). How can we contact the managers of the site to have that changed?





****The comment in the parenthesis that I deleted is something that I regret saying because it is not true, and I realized this shortly after I posted it. I deleted it because it was not an intentional part of my message to offend, only to ask why we are not listed as a fraternity. Please read my apology below.

[33girl]

Do you mean in the GC directory?

There are lots of NPC sororities that are really "fraternities" in their official name, but they're all listed under sorority in the directory here. Just so people who don't know better don't get confused, sororities are girls and fraternities are boys. (Except for the co-eds, of course) It's nothing to be upset or offended about.

Edited to add that you might want to be careful how you characterize members of sororities since there are lots and lots and lots of them on this site.

[MysticCat]

I doubt you will get it changed.

There are lots of fraternities for women: Kappa Kappa Gamma, Pi Beta Phi, Kappa Alpha Theta, Phi Mu, Alpha Gamma Delta, Alpha Chi Omega, Zeta Tau Alpha, Delta Gamma, Alpha Omicron Pi and Chi Omega are all officially called "fraternities," as are other women's GLOs that don't come to mind right now. They all are very careful to refer to themselves as "Fraternities" (although I can't say that I've ever heard a member of one of the groups refer to a "fraternity sister").

But, when catagorizing GLOs as men's or women's, common parlance is to say "fraternity" and "sorority," regardless of whether the GLO in question actually calls itself a fraternity or a sororirity (or a "society" as a few do). The fact is that anyone looking for SAI -- except perhaps for a member of SAI -- who knows that SAI is a GLO for women is going to look for it under a list of sororities, because they would expect only men's groups to be listed under "fraternities." Same for the other GLOs listed above.

Unless you can get the managers to break the catagories up into "Men's Fraternities," "Women's Fraternities," "Sororities," etc., I wouldn't look for things to change. Sorry.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
(I hate being called a sorority... it makes us sound like we're just a bunch of random girls that need an excuse to have parties and get a house)

Hate from within the Greek system?? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[RileyAnn_SAI]

I didn't mean to be offensive in any way, but I really pride myself in being a member of a professional fraternity, especially since it focuses on music. The managers of the site should consider breaking the fraternities and sororities into more definate categories, because the majority of people searching for a specific Greek organization are most likely a member or a member-in-training of a fraternity or sorority, so there shouldn't be much (if any) confusion. If anything, it will clear up the existing confusion. And actually, I almost didn't join the forum because I thought it was a mistake, which would show a lack of professionalism. But I can see why they would categorize womens' fraternities as sororities, and even though I don't agree with it, I'm glad I joined, and the site is well done.

[MysticCat]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
II'm glad I joined.... Always great to have another beautiful sister of Sigma Alpha Iota here on GC. Welcome!

[Ginger]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
(I hate being called a sorority... it makes us sound like we're just a bunch of random girls that need an excuse to have parties and get a house)


Hey Riley. It's a small world. I'm a friend of your older (biological) sister Ashley.

And yeah... heed your SAI sister's advice below. Attacking a boards' members is not the right way to start off. I for one am proud to be in my SORORITY, even if we are professional, and even if we do have a music focus.

[swissmiss04]

Puh-lease. It will be ok. Sorority is not a derogatory term. I'm guessing you're new, and as a sister I want to advise you to be a bit less, shall we say, on the offensive in the future. It helps classify between all male and all female groups.

Thanks!

[Tom Earp]

Riley, steady.

There are many Greeks on Site who are Females and who were started and so named Fraternitys.

It is because of the Fraternalism amongst them selves.

Maybe you should check out some of the sites and posts in cyber world.

If you will ask questions, you will get answers. There are a multitude of people on GC who are willing to help.

All of a sudden you find a small world of people who know others on here that you may know.

[RileyAnn_SAI]

This is an apology to everyone:

I'm sorry I made that comment without thinking. It was not an attack on anyone or any Greek organization, and it was completely uncalled for. I was just frustrated, and saying things that are untrue and hurtful. Unfortunately, I cannot undo what I have posted above, but please forgive me for saying something that stupid. You guys are all my Greek sisters and brothers, and I am sorry.

~Riley

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
(I hate being called a sorority... it makes us sound like we're just a bunch of random girls that need an excuse to have parties and get a house)

I just want you to know that I went to college where you currently go for two years and I was an officer in my sorority for one of those years. My sorority has had a house for over 100 years, and has been on campus for 130. We are not local and if anything we have more restrictive rules than SAI does. That should give you a good hint as to what house I belong to.

Next time you want to say something like this, show up at a WGC meeting. Just tread carefully, because the Greek Advisor is a member of my sorority that we just initiated.

If you don't know who I am, go ask Justin from Sinfonia if he knows anybody at Marquette. One of your chapter sisters was an RA in my dorm and I never heard anything from her about how ridiculous my organization was. Now please think twice before you badmouth chapters, you never know who else from your school is on GC.

[Ginger]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
That should give you a good hint as to what house I belong to.

Well, plus it's in your signature :)

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Now please think twice before you badmouth chapters, you never know who else from your school is on GC.

*sings* It's a small world, after all

Seriously. It's AMAZING how small of a world GC is. It took all of about 2 seconds for me to figure out who the OP was. A friend of mine from college was in a *gasp* sorority at Whitewater and helped found that chapter at Cow College. I think she'd be insulted to hear sororities talked about that way. Let that be a reminder to everyone ... you never know who's listening :)

[Ginger]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
This is an apology to everyone:

I'm sorry I made that comment without thinking. It was not an attack on anyone or any Greek organization, and it was completely uncalled for. I was just frustrated, and saying things that are untrue and hurtful. Unfortunately, I cannot undo what I have posted above, but please forgive me for saying something that stupid. You guys are all my Greek sisters and brothers, and I am sorry.

~Riley

It's okay, Riley. I know you are a sweet girl and your comments seemed out of character. It's just so hard to read tone on the internet, and people (myself included) are quick to jump down one another's throats. I hope you stick around and keep posting here.

[ADPiAkron]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
This is an apology to everyone:

I'm sorry I made that comment without thinking. It was not an attack on anyone or any Greek organization, and it was completely uncalled for. I was just frustrated, and saying things that are untrue and hurtful. Unfortunately, I cannot undo what I have posted above, but please forgive me for saying something that stupid. You guys are all my Greek sisters and brothers, and I am sorry.

~Riley

She said it, she apologized, it's over! Let's leave it at that!
:D

[sairose]

Riley, it's okay, we're all guilty of saying things we don't mean sometimes. :) And you can fix what you said: click edit, and delete the parts you don't want. :)

Either way, you're forgiven, and make sure to post here often!

[John]

The GLO Directory (http://www.greekchat.com/directory/greeks.htm) is currently organized in such a way that the heading "Fraternities" represents Men's Groups and "Sororities" represents Women's Groups. Way back when the directory was being designed I expected that this may become an issue at some point since there are a number of Women's Groups that are titled as Fraternities.

We do want the directory to be correct, though, and plan on reorganizing the directory at some point in the future to more accurately depict all of the various groups listed on the site. I'm not sure exactly when this will be done, but in the meantime I have updated the SAI page (http://www.greekchat.com/directory/sigma/sigma_alpha_iota/) in the directory to reflect that your group is a Fraternity. SAI is still listed under "Sororities" on the Sigma (http://www.greekchat.com/directory/sigma/sigma.htm) category page - that will be corrected when the directory is reorganized.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by John
The GLO Directory (http://www.greekchat.com/directory/greeks.htm) is currently organized in such a way that the heading "Fraternities" represents Men's Groups and "Sororities" represents Women's Groups. Way back when the directory was being designed I expected that this may become an issue at some point since there are a number of Women's Groups that are titled as Fraternities.

We do want the directory to be correct, though, and plan on reorganizing the directory at some point in the future to more accurately depict all of the various groups listed on the site. I'm not sure exactly when this will be done, but in the meantime I have updated the SAI page (http://www.greekchat.com/directory/sigma/sigma_alpha_iota/) in the directory to reflect that your group is a Fraternity. SAI is still listed under "Sororities" on the Sigma (http://www.greekchat.com/directory/sigma/sigma.htm) category page - that will be corrected when the directory is reorganized.

John, I looked at what you did. I believe the best way to do it is to keep the lists as they are under the Greek letter headings (SAI would remain under Sororities, so people could find them easily), but under the individual groups' page, list whether it is a:

Fraternity
Women's Fraternity
Sorority
Coed Fraternity
Coed Sorority
etc.

I really think that would be the least confusing.

[James]

If he does that for you make sure you send him money via his paypal account . . . lol.

Originally posted by preciousjeni
John, I looked at what you did. I believe the best way to do it is to keep the lists as they are under the Greek letter headings (SAI would remain under Sororities, so people could find them easily), but under the individual groups' page, list whether it is a:

Fraternity
Women's Fraternity
Sorority
Coed Fraternity
Coed Sorority
etc.

I really think that would be the least confusing.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by James
If he does that for you make sure you send him money via his paypal account . . . lol.

Hardeeharhar...I was trying to point out to him that SAI was listed as a "Fraternity" instead of a "Women's Fraternity" and suggest a way to make things very clear for GC visitors. Plus, I'm not an SAI and my sorority is not a women's fraternity, so it wouldn't help me anyway.

But, why don't you send money to MY paypal account for the privilege of talking to me? :p :D ;)

[sairose]

THis is random...but even if it's not my sisters, it's really exciting to have some traffic around here! :D

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Wow! John came down from Mt. Olympus to post! Glad to see you, John! :cool: :D :)

[Diamond Delta]

Originally posted by RileyAnn_SAI
I didn't mean to be offensive in any way, but I really pride myself in being a member of a professional fraternity, especially since it focuses on music. The managers of the site should consider breaking the fraternities and sororities into more definate categories, because the majority of people searching for a specific Greek organization are most likely a member or a member-in-training of a fraternity or sorority, so there shouldn't be much (if any) confusion. If anything, it will clear up the existing confusion. And actually, I almost didn't join the forum because I thought it was a mistake, which would show a lack of professionalism. But I can see why they would categorize womens' fraternities as sororities, and even though I don't agree with it, I'm glad I joined, and the site is well done.

I belive that we spend way too much time putting people into categories when really we are more similar than different. I personally, LOVE being in a sorority. I actually don't know why more womens groups don't change from women's fraternity to sorority. But, if poeple call a womens fraternity a sorority, it's not meant to be offensive at all. Just distinguishing.

[sairose]

Originally posted by Diamond Delta
I belive that we spend way too much time putting people into categories when really we are more similar than different. I personally, LOVE being in a sorority. I actually don't know why more womens groups don't change from women's fraternity to sorority. But, if poeple call a womens fraternity a sorority, it's not meant to be offensive at all. Just distinguishing.

Just to clarify, there is actually a reason we are called a fraternity and not a sorority. Originally, we were called a "musical sorority" but it was changed to fraternity because fraternity refers to men AND women. While we are not a coed organization, certain categories of honorary membership (Friend of the Arts, National Arts Associate) ARE open to men. :)

[Diamond Delta]

Originally posted by sairose
Just to clarify, there is actually a reason we are called a fraternity and not a sorority. Originally, we were called a "musical sorority" but it was changed to fraternity because fraternity refers to men AND women. While we are not a coed organization, certain categories of honorary membership (Friend of the Arts, National Arts Associate) ARE open to men. :)

OK, well that makes sense!Thanks!

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
Fraternity
Women's Fraternity
Sorority
Coed Fraternity
Coed Sorority
etc.


Is there such thing as a co-ed soroity??????

And if you're going to break down the categories, maybe he'll go more for:
Social Fraternity (Men)
Social Fraternity (Women)
Social Soroity
Professional Fraternity (Men)
Professional Fraternity (Women)
Professional Fraternity (Co-Ed)
Professional Soroity
(Sorry, I'm not going to even attempt to break down the BGLO & MCGLO's caz I don't know how you guys work and I'm not going to even pretend to...)

It would be more work...but I'm sure he could find a few (hundred) helpers here...

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Is there such thing as a co-ed soroity??????

And if you're going to break down the categories, maybe he'll go more for:
Social Fraternity (Men)
Social Fraternity (Women)
Social Soroity
Professional Fraternity (Men)
Professional Fraternity (Women)
Professional Fraternity (Co-Ed)
Professional Soroity
(Sorry, I'm not going to even attempt to break down the BGLO & MCGLO's caz I don't know how you guys work and I'm not going to even pretend to...)

It would be more work...but I'm sure he could find a few (hundred) helpers here...

Well, as has been gone over in great depth in another thread, Gamma Sigma Sigma Service Sorority is co-ed. Most non-selective membership organizations are co-ed that I've found. It takes A LOT of hassle to restrict membership to one gender!!

[Diamond Delta]

I have never heard of a guy being in Gamma Sigma Sigma! Interesting. I thought it was a service sorority just for ladies.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by Diamond Delta
I have never heard of a guy being in Gamma Sigma Sigma! Interesting. I thought it was a service sorority just for ladies.

Let's just say there are definitely men around, but we probably want to steer clear of this topic so as not to avoid any misunderstandings or off subject discussions. :eek:

[sairose]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
Is there such thing as a co-ed soroity??????


Actually, yes! Tau Beta Sigma, while founded as an all-women's group, can be (and is actually pretty common to be) coed, and is titled as a Sorority.