Article in Teen Vogue

[PM_Mama00]

My lil sis spotted a nice little article on hazing. They named Phi Mu and Phi Sigma Sigma. I haven't seen the article and can't find it online. Anyone seen it?

[phisigduchesscv]

What month is the article supposed to be in? Is it in the newest one or an older one. I will be keeping an eye out for it.

[33girl]

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45894

It's the newest issue (April) - and all I can say is if the rest of her book is like this I'll be surprised if anyone can get through it because her writing style is so horrible.

[XOMichelle]

It's in this month's issue, I was at Walgreen's yesterday and read some if it. The stories are really really hard to believe. Honestly, I can't imagine people actually doing the stuff she described. I didn't read the whole thing, but the pictures they staged to go along with the article ar really awful.
-M

[sigirl]

Wow...

well, i can't say that i haven't heard that things like this happen, but i have to wonder if its exaggerated...

hey, everyone's gotta make a buck.

[Amalia17]

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[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally posted by Amalia17
I just could not believe they said specific sororities.

they actually named names?? that is horrible, no one should have to see their organization potrayed in a negative light (i remember the tri delt article in teen people) especially when we all know there are 2 sides to every story.

but i suppose that wouldn't sell :rolleyes:

[Amalia17]

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[KerriMarie]

Wow... I'm definitely gonna check this out next time I'm at work (reading magazines on my lunch break is the high point of my job... sad...)

[ISUKappa]

Originally posted by Amalia17
They specifically mentioned Phi Sigma Sigma, Alpha Epsilon Pi, Kappa Kappa Gamma, Phi Mu, Alpha Gamma Delta, and Alpha Sigma Alpha.

Like 33girl brought up in another thread, some of the incidents she used as "examples" were over 10 and even 20+ years old! (The Kappa and the Alpha Gam ones come specifically to mind as fairly old news in the world of hazing incidents--they have been dealt with and are over).

I think this girl has a serious chip on her shoulder from something. First her "expose" on Skull and Bones and now this. She may think she's doing investigative journalism but really all she's doing is trying to justify to herself why these organizations are so "bad" and trying to turn other people against them.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Amalia17
They specifically mentioned Alpha Epsilon Pi

Slight correction, A E PHI is the sorority, A E PI is a fraternity.

DolphinChica, what was the DDD article in Teen People about?

[Amalia17]

whoops.....typo

[aphibeach]

I read the story today

it's actually a chunk of a book this girl wrote that's called: Pledged, by Alexandra Robbins. It just came out this month and it's basically about the author and how she dealt with pledging a sorority X amount of years ago. I can't believe she got away with out right saying different sorority's names and whatnot. I was reading some of the things in the Teen Vogue article to my friend (who is also an Alpha Phi) and she couldn't believe it. But if you read the whole article in Teen Vogue, a lot of the things that happened to these pledges happened in the late 90s. Now i'm not trying to justify what the sisters of these said sororities did was right, but at that time, there really wasn't as much concern as there is today about hazing.

The article even mentions what schools these sororities did whatever to the pledges. I think i'm going to pick up the book this week if i get a chance. I'm interested in reading it because I know when recruitment comes around a lot of girls are going to be asking us those questions pertaining to the book (very similar questions from when Sorority Life was on MTV).

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally posted by 33girl
Slight correction, A E PHI is the sorority, A E PI is a fraternity.

DolphinChica, what was the DDD article in Teen People about?


There was a story last summer about how a sister from southern chapter got bought in front of standards and deactivated because she was raped. Which I find very hard to believe...you don't get kicked out of a sorority for being raped. There had to be another aspect to the story, but naturally it will never be heard.

[Adelphean1851]

Maybe we should post a topic on Teen Vogue's forum or write a letter to the editor, I mean, really any girl in HS is a PNM, we should be proactive and give the "young and impressionable" girls this magazine targets an opportunity to see the other side.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

I have a copy of this magazine. I am going to read the article today or tomorrow when I have time. :)

[aphibeach]

Maybe we should post a topic on Teen Vogue's forum or write a letter to the editor, I mean, really any girl in HS is a PNM, we should be proactive and give the "young and impressionable" girls this magazine targets an opportunity to see the other side.

exactly......i can see a lot of bad drama going on with this article and book. i mean the author comes right out and uses the actual sorority names and where they were located....that's not right. i mean potentially these chapters (if still active on the campuses) could hurt during recruitment because Potential New Members could read that article or the book and think that those things still go on.

i'm waiting to see the author get sued for using the sorority names to deface them.....i mean those examples she used were up to 7 or 8 years old.....times have changed since then, especially since 2000 or so.

[Lady Pi Phi]

The author is a moron. I saw her on 60 minutes when they did the story on Skull and Bones, and everything she said were things that people already knew or had already hear about. She didn't say anything new.

[Tom Earp]

Thank you, the same TWIT!:o

Well I guess sensationalism is the Key Word!:rolleyes: ARRRG in my best Charley Brown or Snoopy voice!:eek:

[jessmulder]

I can't believe that Alpha Sigma Alpha was named. It makes me so sad to see things like this. I'm most defintely writing to the editor on this one.

[Adelphean1851]

I posted a topic on the teen vogue people forum. called "thinking about joining a sorority?" I asked girls to post their questions and i also directed them to this site. if anyine wants to field questions just check and see what people have posted.

[greeklawgirl]

Where is the forum, Adelphian1851? I'd like to take a look at it. :)

[Adelphean1851]

http://www.teenvogue.com/forums/people/
No ones posted any questions yet, and i don't know the ages of the girls who typically post but I figured it was worth a shot. I suppose we could all post expirences if no girls ask us anything directly.

[concerned451]

i haven't read the magazine article and the link to the T.V. site wouldn't work for me, however, here's my view on this - i totally agree with some of you that if these hazing's were done so many years ago that it's misleading to report them in a magazine as a current risk, but it does seem strange that for so many of you being anti hazing you are so quick to want to discredit someone who wants to to shed light on the subject. i realize you strongly believe in the organizations you belong to and obviously don't want potential members to think that greek life as a whole has a major hazing problem, but, it IS a problem, isn't it? i'm not saying that every fraternity or sorority hazes it's pledges, but lets face it, it does go on more than some of you apparently want others to think, or at least that's the impression i'm getting. most of the people i know do believe that if you join, you'll be hazed. i'm willing to believe that it's not like that across the board but i don't think it's responsible to promote the lie that it doesn't happen or rarely happens. there's already so much pressure for people to stay quiet about it and accept that it goes on. it just seems odd because i've read many opinions in other threads encouraging people to report hazing, and here you have someone who is trying to get the warning out and many of you attack her or say she shouldn't name names. maybe you feel she's not a credible source, but given how so much hazing is going on at the highschool level, i think that only encourages it to go on in college, so young people do need to be warned that it's wrong, even if you'd think that most people should naturally understand that it's wrong to have fun abusing or humiliating others in the first place. that's what's really sad.

[pirepresent]

Originally posted by concerned451
i haven't read the magazine article and the link to the T.V. site wouldn't work for me, however, here's my view on this - i totally agree with some of you that if these hazing's were done so many years ago that it's misleading to report them in a magazine as a current risk, but it does seem strange that for so many of you being anti hazing you are so quick to want to discredit someone who wants to to shed light on the subject. i realize you strongly believe in the organizations you belong to and obviously don't want potential members to think that greek life as a whole has a major hazing problem, but, it IS a problem, isn't it? i'm not saying that every fraternity or sorority hazes it's pledges, but lets face it, it does go on more than some of you apparently want others to think, or at least that's the impression i'm getting. most of the people i know do believe that if you join, you'll be hazed. i'm willing to believe that it's not like that across the board but i don't think it's responsible to promote the lie that it doesn't happen or rarely happens. there's already so much pressure for people to stay quiet about it and accept that it goes on. it just seems odd because i've read many opinions in other threads encouraging people to report hazing, and here you have someone who is trying to get the warning out and many of you attack her or say she shouldn't name names. maybe you feel she's not a credible source, but given how so much hazing is going on at the highschool level, i think that only encourages it to go on in college, so young people do need to be warned that it's wrong, even if you'd think that most people should naturally understand that it's wrong to have fun abusing or humiliating others in the first place. that's what's really sad.

These are good points, and I think we understand what you're saying. But I think what is so disturbing about this article is that it completely ignores the HUGE strides all sororities and fraternities have taken to completely eliminate ALL hazing from new member programming.

Being a member of one of the sororities mentioned, it makes me sad that all the progress we've made to that extent can be completely written off by this woman, who, you have to admit, does seem to want to sensationalize hazing to her own profit.

I see you're a new poster on here, so I'm not sure if you're a greek or not. But any member of a national GLO on these boards can testify to the huge changes that have been made, especially in the last few years, to ensure that women and men DO feel safe joining a GLO and that hazing will not occur in their chapters. And these changes will continue to occur, until all hazing is eliminated completely. Yet simultaneously, this woman can publish this article, and the rumors and lies about Greek life will be perpetuated. Is the Greek system perfect now? No. Does hazing still occur? Probably. Have GLOs devoted significant time, money, and personnel to ensuring that infrastructure and policies are in place to deal with and stop hazing in their chapters? Yes. Hazing in our chapters is not acceptable to our national organizations and THAT is why people are so upset about this.

[CarolinaCutie]

Concerned, I am not saying that hazing doesn't happen. Sometimes it does... and probably within my own organization. However, I don't think it's as prevalent as you or Alexandra want to believe. I don't know ANYONE who has been hazed. The majority of sorority (and going out on a limb here, I'd include fraternity) members here at this site have not been hazed. Hazing is not a MAJORITY event.

[concerned451]

don't get me wrong, i completely understand the points you guys make, and if i belonged to a sorority that used to haze but now doesn't, and an article came out in a magazine that named my sorority as one that used to haze without clarifying that it no longer does, i'd be upset too, especially if great measures were taken to ensure that it DOESN'T occur anymore. however, there is no "maybe" or "probably" when it comes to the fact that it DOES go on, and it seems like some people already in the greek system whose group doesn't haze try to paint a picture of hazing as some kind of myth when it's clearly not. i do know of a few sororities that haze and i'd never consider or would want to join anyway. my point is, for those of you who don't, have never seen it happen and don't know of any chapters where it goes on - which, sorry, i find a little hard to believe, unless your definition of hazing leaves room for things you personally see as harmless, even though it may actually be demeaning - you tend to send a false message if only for the reason that, aside from what i just said, comes only from not having seen it firsthand. it's like when there's a poll of some kind you know, how they say that you can't get accurate results based soley on people you specifically know and ask, it never gives a true representation. still, i'm very glad that you guys take a firm stand against hazing.

[azdnc]

hello all- this is my first time on this website... but here it goes.
I have got to say that hazing is something that def. went on clear through the 90's, both in subtle and not-so-subtle forms- at least in the majority of established chapters in the South. I personally was hazed during my pledge period, which was in 1995. I have been an advisor for the last 4 and have only noted a change over the last two years. There are, in fact, many chapters on the campus I work with, which shall remain nameless- of course- that still do haze. Now, the tactics are certainly a lot more subtle than they in previous years, but it is still very prevalent. In addition, when I lived in the chapter house, there was around 20 woman residing there, and 15 had eating disorders. They would either starve, purge and binge, or work out 5 hours a day while eating carrot sticks and lettuce. And, as far as binge drinking/drug use, I would have to say that you are kidding yourself if you truly believe that the majority of college-aged women,-regardless of whether or not they are in a sorority- do not binge drink or use drugs or both- which also lends to increased sexual activity. SO, I would have to say that I agree with the article on many points. But, I do not think that it fully encompasses all the aspects of sorority life, as there is much more to it than hazing and partying. BUt one who have to be sporting some serious rose-colored glasses to believe that hazing & partying go hand in hand with volunteering & school- and that these women are simply products of our society.

[azdnc]

sorry- regarding the part about the rose colored glasses- I meant that they have got to be pretty thinkif you do NOT believe that partying & hazing go right along with school & volunteering...

I am multi-tasking here...;)

[Adelphean1851]

realistically, every girls greek expirence is diffrent, it is impossible to say every sorority is one way or another, In my chapter I wasn't hazed at all, however I knew of a couple of orgs on campus that did haze even if it was minor. Binge drinking and drug use is a personal choice and while I did my share of partying it was never in excess and I most certianly was not promiscuious. Our girls looked out for each other but ultimately it was our choice what decisions we made. Other girls in my chapter did not make the same decisions as me so their intrepretation of sorority life would be diffrent from mine. In actuality the Freshman Dorms had a worse reputation for drug and alchol abuse on my campus than the greeks did. But I digress things are going to be diffrent no matter where you go, I suggested posting a response so that the girls reading that article could get some advice from bona fide sorority women not just someone out to make a buck off our sordid past. I wonder if someone wrote a true to life account of her sorority expirence if anyone would read it?

" Today my big sister gave me a huge stuffed lion and a card that said how happy she is to be my sister. Then we had a new member orientation session and learned about the sororitys history i'm soo proud to be in the first sorority ever!"

theres some exciting reading or how about.

"I went to the XYZ frat party last night and boy do i have a hang over. Thank god my sister rescued me from that total looser who was hitting on me."

Hey maybe I should write a magazine article.

[nauadpi]

Originally posted by Adelphean1851
I wonder if someone wrote a true to life account of her sorority expirence if anyone would read it?

" Today my big sister gave me a huge stuffed lion and a card that said how happy she is to be my sister. Then we had a new member orientation session and learned about the sororitys history i'm soo proud to be in the first sorority ever!"

theres some exciting reading or how about.

"I went to the XYZ frat party last night and boy do i have a hang over. Thank god my sister rescued me from that total looser who was hitting on me."

Hey maybe I should write a magazine article.

I think someone needs to really write them... i look in old scrapbooks from my chapter and I have seen articles that did such a thing, but no local newspaper here would publish an article like that now...

[concerned451]

Originally posted by Adelphean1851
I suggested posting a response so that the girls reading that article could get some advice from bona fide sorority women not just someone out to make a buck off our sordid past. I wonder if someone wrote a true to life account of her sorority expirence if anyone would read it?

let's say company xyz has employee's who come foward with an allegation of mistreatment, then naturally it gets media coverage. off the top of your head, how many high profile, or even semi high profile allegations of mistreatment or abuse do you hear about that are completely unfounded? someone may have an axe to grind or is seeking to make a name, sure, but that in and of itself doesn't rend the allegations null and void.

i understand that if public allegations are made regarding policy or abuse within co.xyz, there will be people involved or employed there who may not be tied to the allegation of wrong doing and will naturally feel that they and everyone there are being lumped into a general misconception, or perceived public perception.
a portion of those people are probably justified, another portion simply doesn't want everyone knowing their dirty secrets. and let's face it, dirty secrets make the news, not everyday, normal routines that don't involve scandal.

to refer to hazing as merely an aspect of a "sordid past" convey's the message that it no longer occurs, and if you know people or even take a look at the news coverage regarding hazing throughout this country, it is quite "present" and not a long gone "past". i don't think that any one person's "true life account" can tell the whole story either way, but it depends on what goes on at that person's school. the ones who have been hazed or haze will paint it one way, and probably with more emotion if they feel it's wrong than those who aren't exposed to it.

[2blue]

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This was on the site next to an ad for Neiman Marcus. Too bad they don't use the same policy for some of their articles.

[33girl]

Regardless of whether or not hazing still occurs, to present an event that happened in the 1970's as relevant to today is as asinine as sending out brochures for Princeton/Dartmouth/name formerly all male or all femal school without mentioning the fact that it is now coed, or protesting (name cosmetic company here) for animal testing when they ceased animal testing in 1984.

Anyone who is a real journalist doesn't need to dig up ancient events for a "state of whatever today" as confirmation. It just makes it seem like hazing is so hard to find today that she had to find 30 year old incidents to cite - thus achieving the opposite of what she set out to achieve.

[concerned451]

Originally posted by Amalia17
I read the article. It was interesting, however not well written. It seems like since it is a teen magazine they were focused on telling girls not to join because in the end it is not worth it. The hazing they described is actually stuff I heard about on my campus (and witnessed some of it when I pledged years ago such as the circling fat/imperfections and being "on call"). I just could not believe they said specific sororities.

someone also said that some of hazings in this article(which i admittedly haven't read)took place in the late 90's, which isn't so long ago. i guess it all depends on where you're at as to whether you think something like this is merely sensationalism or legitimate warning. when it comes to hazing though, i don't believe that there's two sides to the story; it's wrong, period, despite any justifications.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Did she even bother to list the dates that these incidents happened??
If she didn't that'S poor journalism. she should know better. When I write papers for school 99% of the time our professors tell us we can not use sources more that 2 years old. Why, because they want recent examples. Things that apply toady, not things that happened years ago and don't really apply in todays society.
If she were writing this for a class I'm going to assume that she would fail.

[CASIGKAP]

It's just sickening to rad about someone else's slanted perceptions of what we're all about. At my school, the closest thing I ever saw to hazing was one sorority (not NPC one) had their girls wear a necklace that said PLEDGE on it in big red letters. That's all I ever saw.

One person's biased views hurt us all.

[Lady Pi Phi]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I finally read the article. She makes me so mad. She writes like every sorority girl everywhere over the entire history of our organizations has suffered like this.

How many times do we have to sit and say this never happened to me! This doesn't happen everywhere!

[SoProud2BeAnAlphaXi]

Unfortunately, Ms. Robbins is also highlighted in the latest edition of People. So frustrating.

[Jill1228]

Took the words right out of my mouth! :) I saw the blurb and was like "Oh Sh*t!"

Originally posted by SoProud2BeAnAlphaXi
Unfortunately, Ms. Robbins is also highlighted in the latest edition of People. So frustrating.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by SoProud2BeAnAlphaXi
Unfortunately, Ms. Robbins is also highlighted in the latest edition of People. So frustrating.

She also got a half-page article on the back of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's op-ed section on Sunday all about secret societies.

[Lady Pi Phi]

what this woman needs instead of more publicity is a bitch slap upside the head...ooops did i say that out loud.?

[33girl]

Yes. But not loud enough. :p

[XOMichelle]

to concerned451

You should know something about us on Greekchat. We do NOT condone hazing, or the people that do it (I don't even support the people who let it happen to them, because I think you have a choice, but no everyone agrees on that point).
If a chapter of my sorority was caught hazing I would not tolerate it for one minute, and no one else here would either. If you want to come on and tell us how bad hazing is you are preaching to the chior! We already agree. :-)

ETA:
My bf is the rush chair of his faternity and I think anyone against greek life should read these little ditties he wrote:

"We like to say that their is no typical Sigma Nu which to me means we value diversity tremendously- diversity of race, interests, majors, philosophies and politics. We have beer drinkers and teatotalers, athletes and intelectuals, techies and fuzzies. We value men that have other interests; we want you to be involved with the fraternity, but we don't want the fraternity to be your whole life. We try and cultivate men who will be leaders on campus and beyond. We like to socalize, but we also emphasize honor (the hallmark of Sigma Nu) and respect toward women."

My favorite line? We emphasize respect toward women.

Here's a few lines from his article, "Why every freshman should rush":


"...What do you feel the most important thing is that you can take from your time here? Your GPA? Membership in an honors society?

I would submit to you that the most valuable resource here is our fellow students. If you come out of school with several real, lasting friendships, then I would count you as truly successful. I am continually in awe of all the amazing things that Stanford students do; you might never again have such a rich resource of really cool people from whom to learn.

I have no doubt that everyone here is super intelligent, but I’m not quite as certain that some are wise enough to contemplate what they want to gain from their Stanford experience. Get good grades, but for Pete’s sake don’t spend so much time working on stuff to enhance your resume that you don’t spend time developing meaningful relationships with the people around you. The “deathbed perspective” means picturing yourself lying on your deathbed, looking back and taking stock. What will be most important to you? I’m guessing it will be your family first, your close friends second and everything else a distant third.

Now, if you buy my perspective that your bonds with others are what is most important in life, maybe you’ll understand why I’m so pro-fraternity. As a freshman, I was firmly against fraternities because of all the stereotypes: I didn’t want to join a group of people that engaged in silly hazing, disrespected women, drank beer, partied a lot and just generally lived shallower lives.

Also, I am very anti-elitist, and I didn’t like the idea that a group of strangers would judge my social worth and how “cool” I was and that I would get accepted or rejected based upon how I acted in a couple of interactions with fraternity members. Coming back to school 10 years later, I knew from the start that I wanted to join a fraternity: I was already missing the camaraderie from SWAT, the police and the Army. When I joined my fraternity at the end of the rush process last spring, I instantly gained 50 new friends — and what a group we have.

The men are respectful toward women, take care of their academics before partying, have plenty of friends outside the fraternity and, in my opinion, tend to lead deeper — not shallower — lives. I know that there are lots of great guys in other fraternities who are equally proud of their own groups.

In the sort of hectic, resume-building, activity-laden, pre-professional schedules most students keep, I have a lot of concern that it becomes difficult for people to build many meaningful relationships (see “The Organization Kid” from the Atlantic April 2001 for a great discussion of this).

...Being in a fraternity enforces balance in students’ lives. It ensures that you’re nurturing what’s most important while you’re nurturing your future career."

[Adelphean1851]

why don't we all collaborate on a book about sorority life? How about everyone tells a true story about something that happened to them during their collegiate years of sorority life, it dosen't necessairly have to be positive in fact a good mix of stories would paint a more realistic picture. I'm sure we have enough collective knowledge on here to get it published. I think a book that is honest is long overdue.

[mommag2]

I have a question?

Can I access the Teen Vogue article through the internet or do I have to buy the article?

Also does People keep an archive of their past articles on the net?

I would really love to read the two articles

[aphibeach]

so i was at a local bookstore yesterday and Pledged out on the shelves.....i flipped through it and although its purely fiction, the girl who wrote the book secretly pledged a sorority to go "undercover" after her younger sister started pledging a sorority and was hazed.

I go to a school where greek life is TINY......we're completely outnumbered by the rest of the campus and we often get a bad rap even though we are trying very hard to clean this up. we have very strict anti-hazing rules and they are implemented. i am really scared that this book is going to be a reason for girls NOT to go through recruitment.....they are going to think we're all like this.

we went through this when Sorority Life came out a few years ago......I'm at a party with a potential new member and she started asking me if we did the same things those chapters did on the show.

i don't know.....i'm still planning on reading the book when i get some cash to pick it up and i feel like ithe greek system is going to be fighting their way to get many potential new members to sign up for recruitment because of this book.

[DolphinChicaDDD]

Originally posted by mommag2
I have a question?

Can I access the Teen Vogue article through the internet or do I have to buy the article?

Also does People keep an archive of their past articles on the net?

I would really love to read the two articles

go to barnes and nobles or borders or something like that a read the article from teen vogue there.
thats what i did...i'm a poor college student

[AchtungBaby80]

Originally posted by ktkennyd
Purchasing this book only makes this woman wealthier. The more copies of this book that she sells will only perpetuate other writers to investigate into sorority life. If this damn book becomes a best seller because so many people purchase it just to know what she says about their sorority or the sorority next door, I am gonna be pissed.

You and me both! I saw the book at Barnes & Noble yesterday and I thought about buying it, but then I thought, "Why should I shell out $24 to buy this when I can just check it out from the library?" I don't want some chick getting rich from badmouthing sororities...well, unless it's me, but I joined my sorority with honest intentions and I never saw anything that horrible go on. If no one buys the book, maybe there won't be any more written like this. I did read the inside flap of the jacket, though, and I must admit that it sounded interesting. So as soon as the local library gets it, I think I'll read it.

[MooseGirl]

I thought so too. But I can't honestly tear into it and criticize it w/o reading it. And there's very little chance that a local public library will get it around here. So I purchased it Online from Chapters (actually surprised they had it) and should get it this week sometime...


Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
You and me both! I saw the book at Barnes & Noble yesterday and I thought about buying it, but then I thought, "Why should I shell out $24 to buy this when I can just check it out from the library?" I don't want some chick getting rich from badmouthing sororities...well, unless it's me, but I joined my sorority with honest intentions and I never saw anything that horrible go on. If no one buys the book, maybe there won't be any more written like this. I did read the inside flap of the jacket, though, and I must admit that it sounded interesting. So as soon as the local library gets it, I think I'll read it.

[33girl]

Go to Barnes & Noble and read the Teen Vogue article and the whole book. Hell, you can read War & Peace there and they won't care. I love Barnes & Noble. :D

[MooseGirl]

Originally posted by 33girl
Go to Barnes & Noble and read the Teen Vogue article and the whole book. Hell, you can read War & Peace there and they won't care. I love Barnes & Noble. :D

We don't have Barnes & Noble here ...we have Chapters and I checked - they don't have the book in stock :(

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by MooseGirl
We don't have Barnes & Noble here ...we have Chapters and I checked - they don't have the book in stock :(

They don't have the book in stock at any Chapters?

What about Indigo (even though it's the same company)?

[MooseGirl]

they have it online - just not in store so that you could read w/o buying as suggested.

Some stores may have it in stock - but mine didn't

[Taualumna]

I've checked the Chapters-Indigo website, and it's available at a few stores, including Chapters Bloor Street (the one next to the huge Nike store), Indigo at Yorkdale, The World's Biggest Bookstore, Chapters Festival Hall and Chapters Runnymede.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.asp?Catalog=books&Section=books&Cat=&Lang=en&Item=978140130046&N=35&R=482884&mscssid=GS5CN4MGS48S9GQ55EJWAJ75K1570S9A&WSID=120416B18B40138B4506A71C311D8D9666C42612

[Lady Pi Phi]

Oooh Runnymede Chapters is near my house and Bloor Chpaters is near work.

Maybe I'll read it on my lunch hour.


I really don't want to buy it.

[newbabysquirrel]

quick question...was she actually hazed or did she experience hazing? (was she actually in a sorority before she wrote the book, i got the impression that she is an adult now?) i haven't read the book or the articles but i was just curious as to her basis for writing her book.

also, i think its a wonderful idea to get stories from people in the house, even if we can't publish it for real, we could always make a website. i know that my pledgship to agd was amazing and we (as pledges) were spoiled rotten by our moms and bigs. i've learned more about myself through the house than i ever could elsewhere, i love it :-)

[MooseGirl]

her website www.alexandrarobbins.com gives a very tiny biography of her - she is a grad from Harvard (i think that's what i read)


AS for telling our own stories, i know my Supreme Council would (and has) discouraged members from sharing any stories....I'm sure they wouldn't approve of a member writing anything using its name whether its good or bad...so one would have to use fake names which kind of distorts the whole thing....

[Jill1228]

None of the Chapters in BC had the book (I checked the other day). But many of the stores in the Toronto and Montreal area had it!

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
They don't have the book in stock at any Chapters?

What about Indigo (even though it's the same company)?

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by Adelphean1851
why don't we all collaborate on a book about sorority life? How about everyone tells a true story about something that happened to them during their collegiate years of sorority life, it dosen't necessairly have to be positive in fact a good mix of stories would paint a more realistic picture. I'm sure we have enough collective knowledge on here to get it published. I think a book that is honest is long overdue.

We can attempt to write books on sorority life using fake names ;) I'm currently (attempting) to write a book where one of the characters is going through alumnae initiation in a fake sorority :) I'll let you guys know if the book ever gets published!

ETA: "fake" as in made-up, of course!

[Glitter650]

I was just thinking that NPC needs to get together and publish something that can be their "official word" about sororities and what they are all about and could include people's memoirs because obviously people are curious (or we woudln't have pledged or sorority life) and they (obviously, and smartly) can't just let any media source write or video tape chapters.. but if they did something themselves it would be exactly what they wanted it to say and be and t would hopefully balance out everything has been going around.

[adpiucf]

Originally posted by Glitter650
I was just thinking that NPC needs to get together and publish something that can be their "official word" about sororities and what they are all about and could include people's memoirs because obviously people are curious (or we woudln't have pledged or sorority life) and they (obviously, and smartly) can't just let any media source write or video tape chapters.. but if they did something themselves it would be exactly what they wanted it to say and be and t would hopefully balance out everything has been going around.

Fabulous idea. The PR arm of NPC should create marketing materials for high schools and teen clubs, and also work to get editorial published in teen mags. These materials could also be provided to student life offices at colleges and universities.

[Adelphean1851]

I was thinking of trying to write a young adult book series about a fake sorority, kind of like Sweet Valley High or something like that. Don't know if the kids would read it though, Harry Potter it would not be.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by Adelphean1851
I was thinking of trying to write a young adult book series about a fake sorority, kind of like Sweet Valley High or something like that. Don't know if the kids would read it though, Harry Potter it would not be.

Isn't there a Young Adult series about girls who attend a private school in Manhattan? I've heard that it's been dubbed "Sex and the City" for the tween crowd (well, not nearly as explicit, of course).

[XOMichelle]

Originally posted by Glitter650
I was just thinking that NPC needs to get together and publish something that can be their "official word" about sororities and what they are all about and could include people's memoirs because obviously people are curious (or we woudln't have pledged or sorority life) and they (obviously, and smartly) can't just let any media source write or video tape chapters.. but if they did something themselves it would be exactly what they wanted it to say and be and t would hopefully balance out everything has been going around.

That IS a good idea!!

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by Adelphean1851
why don't we all collaborate on a book about sorority life? How about everyone tells a true story about something that happened to them during their collegiate years of sorority life, it dosen't necessairly have to be positive in fact a good mix of stories would paint a more realistic picture. I'm sure we have enough collective knowledge on here to get it published. I think a book that is honest is long overdue.

There is a book out called "Inspiration for Greeks" by Anthony J. D'Angelo, et.al and it's really good!!! I bought a copy for my <> sister last fall and she loved it :)

The short stories range from Bid Day experiences, to going through a rough spot in life and having brothers/sisters be there for you, and pretty much everything in between. It really is a great read :)

[decadence]

Originally posted by texas*princess:
There is a book out called "Inspiration for Greeks" by Anthony J. D'Angelo, et.al and it's really good!!!I also have a copy, and co-sign all of this! :)

[ISUKappa]

I think at one time they were also working on a Chicken Soup for the Greek soul (or something like that) because I remember getting a call for stories while I was still in school. I don't know if it ever got published, though.

[MooseGirl]

Can anyone tell me where to get that, "Inspiration for Greeks"?

I checked Chapters/Indigo online and also Barnes & Noble but none of them had it...


ETA: nevermind - I forgot to check Amazon :p I just don't like using them! (it's only available on the U.S. site)

[texas*princess]

Moosegirl - I believe you can also order it direct from the publisher (http://www.collegiate-empowerment.com/store.html) :)