Saddam Hussien MAYBE captured in Tikrit tonight

[wreckingcrew]

CNN is reported that a raid ocurred in Tikrit and it's speculated that Saddam Hussien may have been captured.

At this point, they are still waiting for confirmation. But i hope to God it's true :D

Kitso
KS 361

[bethany1982]

I hope it's true.

[wreckingcrew]

Me too Beth.

Press conference at 7am EST.

Celebratory gunfire being heard in Baghdad.

Everyone cross your fingers......


Kitso
KS 361 times if it is Saddam, it's time for the tribunals to be held

[moe.ron]

good.

let's hope the trial expose all that are guilty. both internal and external so they too can be brought on trial.

[wreckingcrew]

Saddam Hussien.

You are now our B****.

Bend over and take it like the Nancy you are.

Kitso
KS 361

edited because i need to watch my mouth when i drink :p

[moe.ron]

I can't belied he stuck around Tikrit. Also Chabli (I have as much trust in him as I do with a con artist, wait a minute, con artist has more trust then him) reportedly said that he was captured with a fake beard.

[bethany1982]

Ladies and Gentlemen, We Got Him!

[Kevin]

How sad for Democrats.. running out of things to campaign on:D

Hopefully this is a turn for the better in Iraq. I don't see how it couldn't be. I hope this moves the Iraqi people closer towards peace and prosperity.

[Unregistered-]

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/0f/06/20031214074909990011

And they said not a single shot was fired. It's somewhat eerie watching the footage on CNN.

[starang21]

so when are we going to look for bin laden or find the WMD's?

[mmcat]

supposedly they shaved his beard and paraded him in front of other prisoners. welcome to the rest of the world, you bastard.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by starang21
so when are we going to look for bin laden or find the WMD's?

hehe unbeliever:D

I'm sure these things will also come in time. At least, this gives me reason to think that the administration still has these goals in front of it.

For now, be happy that we're making progress!

I like watching the dancing in the streets.. over there in the quagmire.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by bethany1982
Ladies and Gentlemen, We Got Him!
WOO HOO!!!

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by moe.ron
I can't belied he stuck around Tikrit.
Where was he going to go, Detroit?

http://lpj.free.fr/saddam.gif

[moe.ron]

latest gosip:

one of Saddam's wive was the one that turn him in.

Another interesting fact - Iranian TV was the first one to broke the story. I wonder if Iran had anything to do with it.

[honeychile]

Praise the Lord!!!


God bless the troops, those who found him, those who didn't, and those who made the supreme sacrifice.

This must be how the Allies felt when they heard that Hitler was dead!

[rainbowbrightCS]

Originally posted by honeychile
Praise the Lord!!!


God bless the troops, those who found him, those who didn't, and those who made the supreme sacrifice.

This must be how the Allies felt when they heard that Hitler was dead!


You took the words right out of my mouth. Praise the Lord

Now as Prime Minister Blair said "this is the Best Christmass present that I could ever get" is right on also.


Christia

[MereMere21]

I was so happy this morning to wake up to this news! Maybe now our boys (& girls!) can come home.......

that rat bastard deserves everything that happens to him from here on out. I just wish we still believed in drawing and quartering people.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by MereMere21
Maybe now our boys (& girls!) can come home...
I share your sentiment, but I hope not. We can't leave Iraq until:
1) a census is completed
2) a constitution is adopted
3) a legitimately elected government is installed

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Where was he going to go, Detroit?

http://lpj.free.fr/saddam.gif

Lol that might have been even worse, being that Detroit and Dearborn are VERY close to each other, and almost all of Dearborn are Iraqis who fled Saddam.

[PhiPsiRuss]

For all who ever said that Saddam is nothing more than a rat, you might have been literally wrong, but you were not far off the mark. He was living in a hole in the ground, and yes, there were rats (and mice) there. For someone who was obsessed with his cleanliness, and the cleanliness of those who met with him, his lifestyle devolved to that which fit his character like a glove.

I love it. I also love the fact that he was captured without a single bullet being fired.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by AggieSigmaNu361
Saddam Hussien.

You are now our Bitch.

Bend over and take it like the Nancy you are.

Kitso
KS 361

kitso, you always have a way of expressing things in such a way that all I have to do is quote it and say I agree :p

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by honeychile
Praise the Lord!!!


God bless the troops, those who found him, those who didn't, and those who made the supreme sacrifice.

This must be how the Allies felt when they heard that Hitler was dead!

I'm soooooo excited too!!!! Wow.. the history books will be forever rewritten for the people of Iraq and the rest of the world :)

[Peaches-n-Cream]

The video of his capture/arrest is eerie. I am glad that he was captured.

[PM_Mama00]

I'm watching the video of his "cell" and the medical examine. When he's just sitting there, it looks like he's thinking "wow, I'm fucked."

sorry for the language... but I think in this case it is acceptable.

[ZTAngel]

Yay! Finally!

This gives hope that we'll catch our most wanted political figures. I was beginning to think that some of these evil dictators (Bin Laden, Hussein, Hitler and many others) were so elusive that we would never catch them. We finally were able to catch one of our most wanted, evil people of the world! I wonder what the US is going to do to him. If they're going to treat him well or not. I'm all for sticking hot prongs up his butt for the rest of eternity. Mwhahaha!

Maybe now we can catch Bin Laden.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by ktsnake
How sad for Democrats.. running out of things to campaign on:D

Hopefully this is a turn for the better in Iraq. I don't see how it couldn't be. I hope this moves the Iraqi people closer towards peace and prosperity.

SO SO true! Caught Hussein...Economy turning around...if we get Osama...Democrats in droves will be committing suicide!!

Its so sad that they've based everything on hating Dubya.... and I know they hate him even more now!!

[The1calledTKE]

Originally posted by ktsnake
How sad for Democrats.. running out of things to campaign on:D


Can you tell me which democrats said we should vote out Bush because we hadn't caught Sadaam yet? If they said that they are stupid and shouldn't be running. Just because democrats were complaining things were not going well in Iraq doesn't mean anything. Its still true even without Sadaam free anymore. We lost more soldiers after the "conflict" than during it. If Sadaam LT that directed most the attacks is captured I think we will be in better shape for less US casulties.

[The1calledTKE]

For the people that think the democrats didn't want Saddam captured, your wrong. Why would we want him still in power? For politics? Thats just sad if you think people take politics that seriously they would want him free. Its not a Republican defeats Democrats thing some of you are making it out to be or wish it would be. Democrats wanted him captured too no matter how much ya'll wish we didn't.

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
Lol that might have been even worse, being that Detroit and Dearborn are VERY close to each other, and almost all of Dearborn are Iraqis who fled Saddam.

How many of them are DeltA Sigs?

[starang21]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
We lost more soldiers after the "conflict" than during it.

it's funny that people choose to ignore that. like catching him was really going to mean anything in the big scheme of things. republicans just want a scape goat when the real criminal is still out there. how about you talk when bin laden is found? or when we find WMD's? maybe then you can say we've accomplished something. he has already been out of power. so what does this all mean? he'll stand trial, maybe be executed. does that change the situation in iraq? him being free sure as hell didn't.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by starang21
it's funny that people choose to ignore that.
No, its just that the casualty rate was so incredibly low that it was easier to have more casualties after the conflict then during it. Bumper sticker slogans are a poor substitute for rational analysis.

[starang21]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
No, its just that the casualty rate was so incredibly low that it was easier to have more casualties after the conflict then during it. Bumper sticker slogans are a poor substitute for rational analysis.

what on earth does this mean? if we lost a lot of soldiers during the war, does that lessen the impact of the high number of soldiers who lost their lives after the war? is this a numbers game to the republicans?

"well, we lost so few soldiers while we were fighting, we can afford to make up for it afterwards."

what kind of bullshit is that?

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by starang21
what on earth does this mean? if we lost a lot of soldiers during the war, does that lessen the impact of the high number of soldiers who lost their lives after the war? is this a numbers game to the republicans?

"well, we lost so few soldiers while we were fighting, we can afford to make up for it afterwards."

what kind of bullshit is that?
So you're alowed to raise the specter of the numbers game, but someone else isn't? That's known as hypocracy. If measuring deaths in numbers is wrong, than so is comparing the total number of those who died during the conflict, and those who died after it. You also seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouths and misinterpreting what was said. A true sign of a quality education. Well done!

[DeltaSigStan]

Damn liberal, will you ever be happy?

j/k

[starang21]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
So you're alowed to raise the specter of the numbers game, but someone else isn't? That's known as hypocracy. If measuring deaths in numbers is wrong, than so is comparing the total number of those who died during the conflict, and those who died after it. You also seem to enjoy putting words in other people's mouths and misinterpreting what was said. A true sign of a quality education. Well done!

we're still losing them day by day at an alarming rate, so what on earth are you talking about? is there even a point to your posts? regarding me making this a numbers game, you don't like to hear the truth? another person who is blind to what's going on in the real world. the fact that we've lost more now than before is a simple fact...you're the one trying to make comparisons between the two. you talk about my education, and try to make this personal. does that mean you really don't know shit and you're just trying to pull it out of your ass? what does that say about you?

[starang21]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Damn liberal, will you ever be happy?

j/k

hahaha, you ass :D :D

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
How many of them are DeltA Sigs?

I know of one for sure that is from Iraq. Not directly but his family. There are two Arab twins but they're from Africa. And there's a few others that are Lebanese, Chaldean, Arab... I get them all mixed up.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by starang21
we're still losing them day by day at an alarming rate, so what on earth are you talking about? is there even a point to your posts? regarding me making this a numbers game, you don't like to hear the truth? another person who is blind to what's going on in the real world. the fact that we've lost more now than before is a simple fact...you're the one trying to make comparisons between the two. you talk about my education, and try to make this personal. does that mean you really don't know shit and you're just trying to pull it out of your ass? what does that say about you?
Again, you are allowed to talk about numbers, but others aren't. You are a complete hypocrite. "The truth?" You don't know "the truth", and you don't have access to "the truth." You're insistence of your awareness is actually a sign of your profound ignorance. If you don't understand the motivation for using geopolitics to resolve the manufactured hostility that is directed against the United States (and judging by your posts, you don't), stop and educate yourself.

[starang21]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Again, you are allowed to talk about numbers, but others aren't. You are a complete hypocrite. "The truth?" You don't know "the truth", and you don't have access to "the truth." You're insistence of your awareness is actually a sign of your profound ignorance. If you don't understand the geopolitical motivation for resolving the manufactured hostility that is directed against the United States (and judging by your posts, you don't), stop and educate yourself.

who ever said you can't talk numbers? look up the numbers yourself. you're just trying to talk shit right now because you can't refute anything that i say. you're trying to pull all of this irrelevant bullshit out of your ass and trying to ignore the fact that bin laden is still out there. and the FACT that we've losing soldiers day by day. are you going to ignore that or are you going to actually open your eyes? my profound ignorance? this post is laughable, because all this hot garbage you've posted to me has revolved around attacking me and not my posts. that means you don't have an argument and you're just trying to spend your time typing. the posts you conjure are complete and utter bullshit and that's why you can't come up with anything outside of "you don't know anything because i said so."

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally posted by russellwarshay
Where was he going to go, Detroit?

http://lpj.free.fr/saddam.gif



LOL!!!!

[The1calledTKE]

Ok folks the personal attacks are getting out of hand. Everyon thinks each other is uneducated. We get it. Lets get back on topic and celebrate Saddam being captured and that it is a good thing.

[ThetaPrincess24]

Originally posted by The1calledTKE
Ok folks the personal attacks are getting out of hand. Everyon thinks each other is uneducated. We get it. Lets get back on topic and celebrate Saddam being captured and that it is a good thing.


YES! I agree! I hope the Iraqi people try him, and hang him in public like the Italians did to Musolini(i probably misspelled the name but he was a bastard too so who cares).

[kappaloo]

Originally posted by ThetaPrincess24
YES! I agree! I hope the Iraqi people try him, and hang him in public like the Italians did to Musolini(i probably misspelled the name but he was a bastard too so who cares).

I agree, the Iraqi's should try him.... and as much as I'm anti-deathpenalty, I do see the advantage of having him executed Mussolini-style.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Wow, this thread has taken a turn. :(

There will be probably be US and UN troops in Iraq for years, not for months. This is to establish a stable government and rebuild the country's infrastructure. They will be called peacekeepers, but they will still be risking their lives, and there probably will be more casualities.

[enlightenment06]

and why are the soldiers dying in Iraq? Because Saddam Hussein had WMD's? Which we really have no clue if they really exist. How can you justify that to a dead soldier's family? Every day more soldiers are getting killed, and why? Because Bush doesn't want to turn control over to the U.N., because the U.S. has to be the "top dog."

Look, I'm from NYC, and we have alot of roaches in NYC. When there's a problem with roaches, everyone knows you can't solve the problem by trying to kill them all, it just doesn't work. You think they're gone and they're not. What you have to do is figure out where the roaches are coming from and then alleviate the problem that way. Using our troops to run around the world shooting people isn't going to make anyone safer. Violence begets more violence.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by enlightenment06
and why are the soldiers dying in Iraq? Because Saddam Hussein had WMD's? Which we really have no clue if they really exist. How can you justify that to a dead soldier's family? Every day more soldiers are getting killed, and why? Because Bush doesn't want to turn control over to the U.N., because the U.S. has to be the "top dog."

Look, I'm from NYC, and we have alot of roaches in NYC. When there's a problem with roaches, everyone knows you can't solve the problem by trying to kill them all, it just doesn't work. You think they're gone and they're not. What you have to do is figure out where the roaches are coming from and then alleviate the problem that way. Using our troops to run around the world shooting people isn't going to make anyone safer. Violence begets more violence.

The UN had its shot.. it had several shots. Each time the UN blew it. The UN ignored violations of its own law, slapping Iraq on the wrist each time. When Bush and company perceived this nation to be a threat (and who wouldn't with their past aggressive history?), they did the right thing in going in to take care of business. Did it save lives? Was it a good idea? Ask the thousands of Iraqis dancing in the streets this morning.

I don't think you can bribe roaches or promise them a more comfortable lifestyle. I don't think roaches really care about these things. Nice analogy, but that really won't fly. I don't think it was ever the United States' policy to "kill 'em all". They're just handing Iraq back to the people that inhabit it and making it a country that can really contribute in the region and in the global community.

I think it's the tendancy of both sides of the argument to oversimplify the situation and base their arguments on false pretenses and suppositions. As civilians, we really don't know what the folks in charge know. Some of us still have some trust in the government. To this point they haven't been proven to be conclusively wrong in this area. In fact there is quite a body of evidence in Iraq to suggest that there were weapons at some point. To believe that someone like Saddam would have secretly destroyed them is laughable.

In the end, I think our presence there will be well justified.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by enlightenment06
and why are the soldiers dying in Iraq? Because Saddam Hussein had WMD's? Which we really have no clue if they really exist. How can you justify that to a dead soldier's family? Every day more soldiers are getting killed, and why? Because Bush doesn't want to turn control over to the U.N., because the U.S. has to be the "top dog."

Look, I'm from NYC, and we have alot of roaches in NYC. When there's a problem with roaches, everyone knows you can't solve the problem by trying to kill them all, it just doesn't work. You think they're gone and they're not. What you have to do is figure out where the roaches are coming from and then alleviate the problem that way. Using our troops to run around the world shooting people isn't going to make anyone safer. Violence begets more violence.
We are not in Iraq for WMD. We are not in Iraq for money. We are in Iraq, believe it or not, because 9-11 was a huge wakeup call. That region needs to be transformed. We got off light on 9-11. If a nuclear weapon could have been used, it would have. Look at a map. Our approach to the War on Terror is geopolitical.

Iraq may have had nothing directly to do with 9-11, but they have done many things before, and after that warranted intervention. After 9-11, Iraq started to pump money into Jihadist groups that recruit from Palestinian camps. They cranked up their propaganda machine in the region. They made it very difficult for the US to assert the point that state support for the madrasses that teach hatred towards the US is unacceptable. They were proactive in promoting concepts that the US is responsible for every bad thing that happens in that region, including potholes and broken street lights (no joke.) But worst of all, they were genocidal.

Personally, I am still ashamed that the U.S. did nothing about Rwanda in 1994. And I am ashamed that we did nothing about Iraq. There are few nations on this planet that are genocidal. Iraq was one. The UN has consistently proved incompetent when dealing with genocidal regimes. It was in the first week of March of this year when Eli Weisel, the Nobel Peace Prize winning authority on genocide, met with President Bush and asked him to do what was needed to remove the Baathists. If for no other reason than genocide, the war was a noble and just war.

But like all wars, this one was not fought for just one reason. There was the moral imperative to remove a genocidal regime. There was also a geopolitical need to place an independent democracy right in the middle of the problem nations. Does anyone think that Iran is happy to border a pro-US Afghanistan and a pro-US Iraq? Does the Saudi Royal Family like having an educated, and pluralistic democracy next door? How happy is Syria seeing their neighboring authoritarian state become an open democracy? Look at a map, and becomes very obvious.

So why was WMD even brought up? Because Tony Blair needed the cover of a UN sanctioned path in. WMD was not brought up to deceive the American people, and the truth is that all intelligence agencies of all nations that we have intelligence sharing agreements with believed that Iraq had WMD. The WMD argument may have been false, but it was not intentionally false.

With, or without, the WMD argument, there was a synergy of motivating factors to go in. We went in, and the job is being done. I am very proud the the US went into Iraq, and I am very proud that fewer innocent Iraqi civilians will die from the combined efforts of the Baathist regime, and from collateral damage in 2003 then died at the hands of the Baathist regime in 2002.

After all, Al Qaeda is still attacking, but don't you think that they would rather kill innocent Americans on American soil, than innocent Muslims on Arabian soil? And as a New Yorker who lives a 5 minute walk from the World Trade Center site, I know that I am safer today because of the current administration's efforts.

We did the right thing. We did the necessary thing.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by enlightenment06
and why are the soldiers dying in Iraq? Because Saddam Hussein had WMD's? Which we really have no clue if they really exist. How can you justify that to a dead soldier's family? Every day more soldiers are getting killed, and why? Because Bush doesn't want to turn control over to the U.N., because the U.S. has to be the "top dog."

Look, I'm from NYC, and we have alot of roaches in NYC. When there's a problem with roaches, everyone knows you can't solve the problem by trying to kill them all, it just doesn't work. You think they're gone and they're not. What you have to do is figure out where the roaches are coming from and then alleviate the problem that way. Using our troops to run around the world shooting people isn't going to make anyone safer. Violence begets more violence.

The US is top dog. It has been for a bit and will be for a while. Nobody claims it will be forever and odds are that at the very least the US will have another superpower in the world within 20 years. The US has recognized that and is aligning itself with a whole new set of countries that matter because of it. In terms of the UN, the UN is worthless and has been forever. Why? Because the power of the UN is derived from its member nations and when member nations choose to ignore certain rules (say the recent clear violations of nuclear treaties in Iran) the UN is worthless. Also the UN had pretty much legally authorized this war last I checked from the first Gulf war.

Why should the US turn over control to the UN? This is an argument made that I don't understand quite yet. Lives will be lost - none of it is dependent on which country or organization is in there. I guess spreading the pain helps people forget? The US is capable - there are areas in which it can attract other countries which are much more capable, but it can do so outside of UN control.

In terms of death, let's play a numbers game. Put aside emotions. In this world emotions are worthless. They fade and nobody remembers. You go into a war knowing the risk you're taking and if you die, you might be missed - but only for a while. Nobody cries for you. Sad, no? How many allied troops are in Iraq? How many allied deaths have occured in Iraq ? Well the percentage is very low. Now if this is about life and death - then how about the mass graves of thousands of Shiites massacred? The Kurds who breathed chemicals that melted their lungs? Villages that were starved off intentionally? Are their lives worth less than a US soldier's? And nobody will deny Iraqi civilian deaths in Iraq but the number is just impossible to compare to the numbers that Saddam killed and would have killed.

I don't care why the US went in and I'll be honest about that. I care simply that Saddam is no longer in power. I also care that Iraq is weakened and with it a whole system of Arab dictators felt the pain. I care that a country that attacked my home and started a war that killed over a million people - a war in which children walked across mine fields because there weren't enough weapons - is no longer able to do that. And right now I only hope that the US doesn't leave because that would lead to so many problems and if it does leave will the criticism stop? Will countries that are doomed to a slow death in Western Europe say bad things still? The country can be repaired in time.

-Rudey
--Everyone dies.

[DeltAlum]

I'm pretty disgusted that this has turned into a political debate.

The Military which, the last time I checked, consists of Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives, Men and Women, Christians and Jews and Muslems and Hindus and probably all other relgions just caught one of the most dangerous men in all of history.

That has nothing to do with who is the President and who wants to be.

Whether the reasons for this war were or were not just, a part of the mission has been completed and that is what we should be happy for and commenting on.

Judging this in the light of US politics at this point makes me ill.

Calling or implying that people we don't know well are "ignorant" -- or any permutation of that -- always makes me ill.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
I'm pretty disgusted that this has turned into a political debate.

The Military which, the last time I checked, consists of Republicans and Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives, Men and Women, Christians and Jews and Muslems and Hindus and probably all other relgions just caught one of the most dangerous men in all of history.

That has nothing to do with who is the President and who wants to be.

Whether the reasons for this war were or were not just, a part of the mission has been completed and that is what we should be happy for and commenting on.

Judging this in the light of US politics at this point makes me ill.

Calling or implying that people we don't know well are "ignorant" -- or any permutation of that -- always makes me ill.

Thank you!

This is not the time to be bickering about politics. It's about supporting our military!