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xp2k
04-01-2003, 05:58 PM
ok...I dont want to become a gossiper like a certain greek chatter that likes to start trouble, but I like to be informed.

I've heard that the Alpha Omicron Pi chapter at Purdue university is being reorganized.

Is the national closing down the chapter like they did at IU in the mid 90s?


They have a beautiful house at Purdue, its ashame that they have been having trouble with numbers.

Tom Earp
04-01-2003, 06:51 PM
If there is a chapter there, they cannot recolonize until that chapter is closed down! I sure that the School and National may work on a time table, but many things have to happen first.

If do not know, then why post it?:confused:

Re-organized is a nice way of shutting it down! Si?

AOII_Luv
04-01-2003, 07:25 PM
I met some Purdue guys a few weekends a go and when they found out that I was an AOII, they started talking about the Purdue chapter, not badly though. I will be honest...I have heard, since my fershman year, that AOII at Purdue was going to be closed. This was supposed to happen every year, but it has not yet. The guys I met last weekend were telling me the same thing. I know the AOII's are struggling and the rumor has been out there for a while, but I haven't seen anything happen to them yet.

CutiePie2000
04-01-2003, 07:32 PM
Originally posted by xp2k
I've heard that the Alpha Omicron Pi chapter at Purdue university is being reorganized.

Reorganized sounds to me like "Fraternity Assisted COB", which is what Delta Gamma did at Auburn University. They did not pull the plug on the chapter. It sounds like AOII is doing that at Purdue. Going to run over to the AOII website and see if I can find out more.

AUDeltaGam
04-01-2003, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by CutiePie2000
Reorganized sounds to me like "Fraternity Assisted COB", which is what Delta Gamma did at Auburn University. They did not pull the plug on the chapter. It sounds like AOII is doing that at Purdue. Going to run over to the AOII website and see if I can find out more.

I think you meant The University of South Carolina. Auburn DG was a recolonization.

BSUPhiSig'92
04-01-2003, 08:06 PM
As someone who took over as chapter advisor after a fraternity re-organization, it means totally different things in different organizations. In ours, HQ and the alumni booted out all but six men in a 35-40 man chapter because they were dead weight and bringing the group down. A very large chapter at Ball State in the early 90's was reorganized by their national and kicked out all but about 30 members of a 140 man chapter. At least for my chapter it was a positive and the chapter is much stronger now.

Aphigal
04-02-2003, 10:57 AM
Different groups do it different ways. In a true reorganization most groups place all collegiate members on alum status and start over with a new group. If it is Fraternity Assisted COB then they national group would probably help advertise and rush the members but not place the collegiates on alum status.

There is a rule in NPC that you can reorganize within one calendar year without losing your "spot" on campus but you do not need to be gone for a specified period before begining the reorg.

CutiePie2000
04-02-2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by PSPGirl
I think you meant The University of South Carolina. Auburn DG was a recolonization.
Yes.

pialpha92
04-02-2003, 02:10 PM
I know sometimes 'reorganizing' can just mean cleaning house with membership issues or something and not necessarily closing the chapter. If the chapter was closed they would be recolonizing not reorganizing. There is a two year wait to do that (though I think it might be only one year in cases where the chapter votes to close itself). IU was closed for a very different reason besides numbers so I wouldn't compare that situation to Purdue. If numbers is Purdue's main issue then I think it would be unfair to close them just for that.

(You're not going to find anything on the AOII website about it - like most groups, you hear a lot more about when chapters are opening than when they close.)

That being said... can we please try to refrain from rumors like this on the boards. I know the question was asked out of curiosity about the situation but until something is 100% it is really not fair to the chapter to speculate on it. I know that my collegiate chapter has been 'going to close' for at least 20 years now - pnm's have even been told that during parties by members of other groups :rolleyes: ... and while happily it is still going strong it doesn't stop the rumors from hurting the chapter during recruitment.

Thanks :)

sugar and spice
04-02-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by pialpha92

That being said... can we please try to refrain from rumors like this on the boards. I know the question was asked out of curiosity about the situation but until something is 100% it is really not fair to the chapter to speculate on it. I know that my collegiate chapter has been 'going to close' for at least 20 years now - pnm's have even been told that during parties by members of other groups :rolleyes: ... and while happily it is still going strong it doesn't stop the rumors from hurting the chapter during recruitment.

Thanks :)

On one hand, I can see how rumors may not be a good idea, because they can hurt recruitment -- but on the other hand, I think as long as it's prefaced with the fact that the poster has no idea as to whether or not it's true, I think it should be okay . . . Education can never hurt -- if we don't ask questions like these, there might be a bunch of people wondering or even assuming that the chapter is going to close, and by bringing up the idea for discussion, others can find out this is not true. One of the posters in this thread even said, "Yeah, this rumor's been going around for a while, and it hasn't happened yet, so I doubt it will . . ."

I think these threads can help as much as they might hurt.

aopirose
04-02-2003, 04:43 PM
The chapter was reorganized two years ago so the question comes a little late. ;) There is room for improvement as in any chapter. However, XB is fine with their performance as long as they meet AOII standards and goals. IOW, they are at Purdue to stay. Let's put this rumor to rest.

xp2k
04-02-2003, 10:52 PM
Thanks AOIIRose for the info.

I would also like to apologize to anyone if it seemed like I was spreading rumors.

I am sorry. That was not my intention and I did not mean to offend anyone. I was just wondering if this was the truth. Like someone mentioned earlier, its great to put a nasty rumor to rest, and as far as I'm concerned, thats been done.

There has been a rumor about what I guess what many would consider the "worst" sorority at IU, that it is being threatened to be shut down. That rumor has been going on for years but I have friends in the house who have told me that their nationals are so intent on keeping a chapter at IU (its impossible to get back here once you've left) that they would maintain the chapter, even it if only had 20 people.
(FYI: The chapter has about 90 girls...)


A lot of people see reorginization as a bad thing, but I personally dont. I wish that some Headquarters or local alumni would do it more often.

Not everyone can be the best, but everyone can be great.

just my 2 cents

Xp2k

Tom Earp
04-02-2003, 11:31 PM
xp2k, very well said!!!!!!

As you insinuated, all Nationals are interested in keeping High Pro-files on Major Campi!

They manytimes hone in on those to keep while others go by the way side!
We have paid ELC's, paid Brothers who ahve Grad. and work for the Fratrnity who do Chapter visitations. But, yes there is Bias for the BIG SChools!

No matter what, we all hate to see any Greek Org. leave campus.

I get a Web Server about what is going on with Greeks , good and bad!

We are not spreading rumors, it is out there! hoosier also gets the same posts from others, I let him post it so I can rebut when someone gets on his butt!

If he posts it, it is true! I for one would rather hear from a member of GC than on a report web site!

There will always be someone on here that can clarify it for us!

Would it be better among ourselves ?

Yepper!:cool:

Rose&WhiteGirl
07-14-2003, 02:21 PM
The AOPi chapter at purdue will not be participating in formal recruitment this year (2003/4 we have defferred recruitment) . They will be recolonizing in the years following....

AOII_LB93
07-14-2003, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Hootie
I think whoever above said that you can't reorganize unless your shut down may be correct. Barb would be a good person to ask because I know something similar happened to her chapter on our campus and they got it up and running right away evidently and now they're doing AWESOME. :)

The above is incorrect. We are doing that with the chapter I advise this year and they have not closed.

33girl
07-14-2003, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by AOII_LB93
The above is incorrect. We are doing that with the chapter I advise this year and they have not closed.

I concur. Reorganization usually means the group stays open but some (not all) members leave, and rush is done with massive help from nationals. Recolonization is shutting it down and starting from scratch - i.e., ALL the members leave or go alum. If the present AOPi Purdue members are staying active I wouldn't call this "recolonizing."

houstonchica
07-14-2003, 10:22 PM
Could anyone tell me if AOII is still on campus at Southwest Texas State?

AOIIalum
07-15-2003, 12:28 AM
I didn't find a chapter listing for Southwest Texas State on our International site (and I think we did have a chapter there up until somewhat recently if it is reorganizing or closed.)

HTH,
Christin

mmcat
07-15-2003, 12:38 AM
i remember they have a beautiul house.

Beryana
07-15-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Rose&WhiteGirl
The AOPi chapter at purdue will not be participating in formal recruitment this year (2003/4 we have defferred recruitment) . They will be recolonizing in the years following....

Once again, to reiterate, reorganizing is not recolonizing. . . . I'm assuming that Purdue is being reorganized (Internationals comes in a helps a bunch but members and AAC stay in place. . . ) no recolonized. . . . Please use the correct terminology as that's when rumours get started about chapters closing. . . .

I was involved in the reorganization of the Michigan State chapter and there was a lot of hands on help from Internationals as well as a temporary restructuring of the leadership of the chapter and the AAC. Almost three years later the chapter is doing GREAT from what I hear!

Sarah

Rose&WhiteGirl
07-15-2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Beryana
Once again, to reiterate, reorganizing is not recolonizing. . . . I'm assuming that Purdue is being reorganized (Internationals comes in a helps a bunch but members and AAC stay in place. . . ) no recolonized. . . . Please use the correct terminology as that's when rumours get started about chapters closing. . . .

I was involved in the reorganization of the Michigan State chapter and there was a lot of hands on help from Internationals as well as a temporary restructuring of the leadership of the chapter and the AAC. Almost three years later the chapter is doing GREAT from what I hear!

Sarah

so then if they all took alumni status then what does that mean? im not saying that they did...just wondering...

33girl
07-15-2003, 12:16 PM
If everyone is forced to take alumni status by the national, that's a recolonization. If they decide to go alum by their own choice, that is, well, their own choice.

AOIIalum
07-15-2003, 01:11 PM
Good summary on that, 33! Besides, not all GLOs have a inactive or undergrad alumni status option for their undergrad members. For those groups, just 'going alum' isn't an option.

Beryana, I'd suspect you're right that Purdue is reorganizing, but I don't know either. Most likely--and I bet this is true for every GLO--the only people who know what is happening are those who need to know. Unless you know the facts folks, it's always much better to say "I don't know" instead of speculating. Regardless of what is or isn't happening with our Purdue AOII's, I hope they have the support of the entire Purdue greek system!

One thing to remember for all of us, sometimes each GLO does things differently. Some groups may never recolonize or reorganize active chapters, and others may. What ABC calls "reorganizing", DEF may call "restructuring" and GHI may call it "reopening" and then JKL is "recolonizing."

On this note, I was extremely impressed reading about one of Delta Gamma's active chapters in South Carolina (I think.) DG on a national level came in and put on what sounded like a colonization week for this chapter. I don't know what DG called it, whether it was just "open recruitment events" or "reorganizing" or whatever, but it was definitely a major event on par with a colonization. It sounded incredibly pro-active of DG, and I have been incredibly impressed about DG as an organization just based upon this info being shared.

Kristin AGD
07-15-2003, 01:16 PM
I hope they are reorganizing. I hadn't heard of this. The DG example is great. I hate to see any chapter resolved with the intent of recolonization. Sometimes they just don't come back. I love the idea of everyone putting in a big effort like the DG example to get the chapter back on track.

PurdueGirlie
07-15-2003, 02:51 PM
I was under the impression that AOII at Purdue was closing down. I know they are definitely not participating in formal rush in January. I think that they are recolonizing and will probably become active in 2-3 years from now. AZD did the same thing 2 years ago. They had advertisements on buses and everything about joining AZD.

I know for a fact that their new members (AOII) had the choice of initiating and then going alum or ending their pledgeship and seeking out a new organization. 2 of their new members accepted bids from my house at the end of the school year. I know most of their pledge class wanted to become initiated and then go alum. But the 2 girls who are joining my house really wanted to be in a sorority, live in the house, etc. so I am glad that they are going to be able to do that.

I hate to hear about any house closing down, but this really isn't closing. I think they are coming back... and I am sure that it will make them much stronger in the long run.

rosejoy
07-16-2003, 09:23 AM
xp2k we know you didn't mean to offend anyone...you were really just asking a question and clearly stated that you were not sure. No offense taken here. Obviously everyone is curious or they would not have looked at the thread.

I believe in AOPi we call it reorganizing when a chapter remains open. Recolonizing is when a chapter shuts down altogether and must wait, like AOPi at IU. That, like someone said, was not due to low #'s . It was something totally different.

Chapters can come back at IU if there is enough support. Witness AOPi. They seem to be doing alright. The Greek community has to support a chapter, though and there are always a few bad apples who want to keep you down.

I think what we need to be careful of, with rush coming up, is how or what we say about a chapter. There are a lot of PNMs on here. I am not referring to what xp2k said, really. Just in general.

That said, I wish the Purdue chapter the best. I hope all works out. I hate to see any Greeks leave!!!