Fifth Graders Post Lookout While 4 Students Have Sex in Classroom

[CrimsonTide4]

Boy in oral sex incident sues school district

By Tony Scotta, Macomb Daily Staff Writer March 12, 2003



The family of a St. Clair Shores student hopes to return their son to school after his suspension for taking part in an oral sex act while in class.

Mount Clemens attorney Robbie D. Lang has filed a lawsuit against the Lake Shore school district in hopes of getting his client, a 14-year-old eighth-grader at Kennedy Middle School, back in classes. Lang said the boy was "victimized" Feb. 6 when a female student performed oral sex on him during a science class. **:eek: :o

The boy, a special education student, was suspended for the remainder of the school year, he said. CT4 says: BOTH HE and THE GIRL should have been suspended.

The girl involved was not implicated in the lawsuit. Lake Shore officials would not say whether the girl has been allowed to return to class, although some students said she has not returned.

The district had also initially suspended the teacher, a 9-year veteran, but has since cleared him of wrongdoing, arguing that the "wrong in this incident is the actions of the students," according to a letter sent home to parents in late February. The teacher, whose name was also not released, has since returned to teaching and had argued he was unaware of the incident at the time.

As many as 20 students were in class while the act was performed underneath a long laboratory table, St. Clair Shores police Detective Joe Mason said. Mason had stated that criminal charges involving the students would not be likely.

"It's absolutely absurd that this could happen in a classroom. For the school district to say it wasn't negligent is highly ridiculous," Lang said.

Lang particularly finds absurd the district's decision to compare the realization that the incident had occurred with the atrocities of Sept. 11, 2001, in their letter to parents.

"Just like our country was shocked into awareness when, never-before acts of terrorism occurred in New York City, our district was shocked into awareness when middle school students engaged in indecent acts in the classroom," wrote Superintendent John Brackett and Kennedy Principal Paula Quintero in their Feb. 19 correspondence to parents about the incident.

Brackett and other top Lake Shore district officials were unavailable for comment Tuesday, said district spokeswoman May Mulla.

To combat a belief the sexual behavior is part of a greater "societal problem," based in part on adolescent exposure to the media, Internet, music videos, and movies, the district is encouraging parents to attend a March 18 forum at the school entitled "A Night With the Experts." The 7 p.m. program will include a discussion about those influences with a sexual abuse expert as well as media consultant Teresa Tomeo, who advocates higher moral standards for broadcasting.

But Lang said the notion others are to blame is too convenient.

He argues his client was statutorily raped, as minors cannot give consent under the law. In this instance, he believes the female may have performed oral sex on the boy as a dare, and although the boy didn't fight her off, he had no legal duty to do so.

Lang's lawsuit seeks at least $100,000 for damages stemming from district negligence, breach of duty, discrimination, and intentional infliction of emotional distress, among other claims.

The boy also suffered from a broken leg at the time and had his mobility hindered by a cast, he said. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"It certainly wasn't something that was planned," Lang said, arguing if a girl had been victimized, the district would have treated her better than his client.

Stacy Moss, whose daughter, Ashley Zimmerman, attends seventh grade at the school, agrees the boy should be allowed to return and lays a majority of the blame on the teacher.

"I hope he is allowed back," she said. "The teacher should have known what the students were doing at all times."

But district officials maintain the teacher did nothing wrong.

"He was working individually with students, while the remainder of the class worked at their desks," stated Brackett and Quintero in their Feb. 19 letter. "We also found that most of the other students in the class were unaware of the inappropriate behavior."


What do you think???

[9dstpm]

Both of them should have gotten suspended for 10 days, and the teacher suspended WITHOUT pay (at the least) OR fired (at the most)!!

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by 9dstpm
Both of them should have gotten suspended for 10 days, and the teacher suspended WITHOUT pay (at the least) OR fired (at the most)!!

BULL on the teacher!! STuff happens -- TRUST ME!!!

I know how classrooms are arranged, little TRIXIE could have acted like she had to get something off of the floor, and went down there to do her business. TEACHERS do not see everything that goes on in their classroom. That TEACHER did nothing WRONG. He was doing his job, teaching. That little boy if he was really traumatized should have spoken up. SPECIAL ED does not equal total ignorance.

Old girl's mama needs to talk to her daughter.

I know a girl at my former school who performed oral sex on the school bus one day. Should the bus driver be fired? HAYLE NO!!

One of my former coworkers had a special ed student who had an oral sex booth in the bathroom during school where she charged 50 CENTS an act!!!!! Should her teachers be fired? HAYLE NO!!!!!

Parents need to start doing their JOB FIRST!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[adduncan]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4

Parents need to start doing their JOB FIRST!!!
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

You beat me to this comment.

I'll bet my next paycheck the parents who don't pay any mind to teaching their children morals at home will be the first to be outraged and blame the school/staff/etc for not doing the parents' job for them. IMHO, it's too easy to pass the buck when kids aren't learning what they need to learn to be productive individuals. "Special Ed" does *not* means it's OK to slack on teaching good behaviour and right from wrong, especially w/ how to treat other people.

Just 2 cents from a visitor. :D
Adrienne (PNAM-2003)

[Honeykiss1974]

Good article, so here are my thoughts...

- I do not think the teacher should be penalized, because more that likely if the room set-up was that of a traditional science lab, he wouldn't have been able to notice someone under the table, especially if he was busy giving students individual attnetion and help.

-I do not think the girl (who performed oral sex :o ) or the boy (the recipient) should be suspended. I believe that instead, they should required to attend some type of sex education/counseling with their parents, especially the young lady. Sorry but sitting at home for 10 days accomplished nothing....if anything it opens up a door of opportunity for more :o while the 'rents are at work.

-On one hand, I do think the school is trying to handle this situation by offerring the "Night With The Expert" syposium. This should be a wake-up to the school that maybe their science/sex education programs needs to be revamped - maybe include some type of round table discussion groups where kids are able to speak honestly and frankly about sexual behavior.

On the hand, the school's decisions are busted by pushing the blame on the teacher.

While I do not believe this event to be of the same magnitude as Sept. 11th (:rolleyes: ), I do think that it can serve as a wake-up call to parents - kids are being exposed to sex and sexual topics at earlier ages.

HBO Family has a documentary call "Middle School Confessions" that is currently being aired that features junior high age kids (12-14 age range). On one episode, the girls were bragging about performing oral sex, saying that it is ok to do because it's not like having sex....WTF :eek:

Oh, and these were your everyday, suburban girls.

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974


-I do not think the girl (who performed oral sex :o ) or the boy (the recipient) should be suspended. I believe that instead, they should required to attend some type of sex education/counseling with their parents, especially the young lady. Sorry but sitting at home for 10 days accomplished nothing....if anything it opens up a door of opportunity for more :o while the 'rents are at work.

-On one hand, I do think the school is trying to handle this situation by offerring the "Night With The Expert" syposium. This should be a wake-up to the school that maybe their science/sex education programs needs to be revamped - maybe include some type of round table discussion groups where kids are able to speak honestly and frankly about sexual behavior.

On the hand, the school's decisions are busted by pushing the blame on the teacher.

While I do not believe this event to be of the same magnitude as Sept. 11th (:rolleyes: ), I do think that it can serve as a wake-up call to parents - kids are being exposed to sex and sexual topics at earlier ages.

HBO Family has a documentary call "Middle School Confessions" that is currently being aired that features junior high age kids (12-14 age range). On one episode, the girls were bragging about performing oral sex, saying that it is ok to do because it's not like having sex....WTF :eek:

Oh, and these were your everyday, suburban girls.

Good points. You're right unless there is counseling, the act will be repeated again by the little girl. So suspension is just a temporary fix. We need something long lasting. Sex Ed needs to return to the classes. We had it and the parents were called in and stuff was shared with them as well. You would be surprised at how ignorant some of our parents are about sex.

Too often, blame is placed on the teacher and stuff like this is what makes GOOD TEACHERS leave the classroom. This teacher, AGAIN, is not at fault.

I will have to subscribe to HBO to check that out. There was an ep of Strong Medicine once that had a middle school with an oral sex ring.

Folks, it is happening far more frequently than you think. And it is a lot of what society considers to be the "good kids" who are involved. We need to talk to our kids about sex, ALL OF IT. The more we try to avoid it, the more likely they are to go after it.


What is interesting is there are a lot of people who have the mindset that until they have intercourse, then they are still virgins. There are even folks who think that as long as they are only having anal sex, then they are still virgins.

[gamma_girl52]

I agree. I don't think the teacher should be blamed...they can't be everywhere watching EVERY student. I'm not a teacher, but I hope to be soon. I find this very disturbing, and I'm asking myself what I would have done...still don't have an answer yet.

Someone needs to talk to these pre-teens/teens about sex and do something that's long lasting. Both of these kids sitting at home for 10 days does nothing, and who is to say that the girl won't do it again or continue doing it some other time. I wish they had Sex Ed in more schools. As HK1974 already stated, kids are BOMBARDED by sexual images ALL of the time. However, I think the best sex ed starts at home...and that means parents cannot be nervous or shy about answering questions about sex.

I think it's unfortunate, but definitely a wake-up call. Some people are still in denial about these young people having sex (whether it's oral, anal, whatever-it's all SEX) at a young age. It's happening people.

I have HBO Fam...is this new? I will be on the lookout for it. It sounds interesting.

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by gamma_girl52
Someone needs to talk to these pre-teens/teens about sex and do something that's long lasting. Both of these kids sitting at home for 10 days does nothing, and who is to say that the girl won't do it again or continue doing it some other time. I wish they had Sex Ed in more schools. As HK1974 already stated, kids are BOMBARDED by sexual images ALL of the time. However, I think the best sex ed starts at home...and that means parents cannot be nervous or shy about answering questions about sex.



My mama talked to me about sex. She still does if I want to ask her about it. That is just the type of relationship that we have. More parents need to recognize that SEX is no longer a WAIT TIL YOU ARE MARRIED CONVO.

Just a note, when I posted in the artice that both students should have been suspended, it was not in the mindset that that is the ONLY punishment. It was more of TO BE FAIR, PUNISH/HELP ALL WHO WERE INVOLVED not just the boy. For all we know, the girl might have OFFERED her services. I used to see it all the time. Girls would walk up to a boy and hand him a letter with a condom in it. :eek:

[RedefinedDiva]

This is some BULL ISHT!!! What is the world coming to?!! How do you hand out BJs during Science class? A lot of kids these days don't think that oral sex is really sex. But wait, it's called oral SEX, you f'ing a**holes!!

I am sorry for my reaction and use of language, but children today make me CRAZY!! I have students that have sex at school or wherever they choose. I even caught one of my students in the hallway with her bra undone and a little boy feeling her up! :mad: :mad: I, too, have Sp. Ed. students and they don't suffer a lot of conseqences because people think Sp. Ed. means crazy and retarded. THESE CHILDREN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! The system is messed up and this Sp. Ed. stuff needs to be reevaluated.

As for the little boy's leg being broken, did he have something in his mouth that made him incapable of saying STOP! or alerting the teacher that a girl was "victimizing" him in class?

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by gamma_girl52


I have HBO Fam...is this new? I will be on the lookout for it. It sounds interesting.

Here is the scedule:

3/16 2:05 AM
3/21 12:05 AM
3/25 10:30 PM
4/1 2:25 AM

Here is a link with info about Middle School Confessions (http://www.hbofamily.com/programs/parent_handbook/middle_school_confessions.html)

[9dstpm]

Hey ya'll, I'm sorry for my harsh judgment of the situation. At the middle school I work at the special education students are sent to the social worker or the social work intern (me) as opposed to getting sent to the principal's office or getting suspended. The administration feels that suspending special education kids puts them at a disadvantage when IMHO it does nothing but tells them that short of blowing up the building or killing someone, they can do as they please b/c they won't get suspended. When special education students break rules at my school, the most they get is to have their parent come in for a conference. And when the parent does come in, they get upset with me for taking them away from "The Young and the Restless" or from their boyfriends to talk with me about their child's behavior and/or progress in school. It really burns me up!! Special education does not equal stupid; I know that these kids are smarter than what the district labels them and I feel that some of these parents do not encourage their kids to do better for fear that they will lose some money or that (gasp!!) they will have to be more involved with their children. :mad:

Everyone is pushing for abstinence when teaching sex ed, but it just ain't happening, people!! I read a journal article about teens and sex for a human behavior class and I was shocked to learn what middle school kids are doing!! Parents need to REALLY teach them about sex, and when I say that, I mean teaching them more than just how not to get pregnant or how not to get someone pregnant!!

I was harsh in my judgement of the situation and I now recommend that the boy and the girl (especially) be sent for intensive individual counseling WITH their parents!! As for the teacher, nothing should be done to him but I know now that he will keep a sharper eye out on his students. :o :(

[Sistermadly]

Was it a human biology class? :p

But seriously folks - I agree that both of them should have been suspended. She shouldn't have been allowed to get away with that kind of skankery.

[Blackwatch]

Originally posted by 9dstpm
Everyone is pushing for abstinence when teaching sex ed, but it just ain't happening, people!! I read a journal article about teens and sex for a human behavior class and I was shocked to learn what middle school kids are doing!! Parents need to REALLY teach them about sex, and when I say that, I mean teaching them more than just how not to get pregnant or how not to get someone pregnant!!



(Itallics added for emphasis by me)

I agree that more needs to be taught about sex, but I disagree that abstinence "just ain't happening" . Click here http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=websearch&requestId=5375bffa6befc4c9&clickedItemRank=2&userQuery=abstinence+statistics+for+teens&clickedItemURN=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abstinence.net%2FA rticleDetail.cfm%3FArticleID%3D344 .

The FRAT is doing mentoring programs at a high school and a jr high school here in the city and on Friday we had a discussion about sex with some 14-15 year old "at risk" boys. We talked about sex, the normal project Alpha talk (STD's , the responsibilities of fatherhood, and the ways to prevent a new generation of "rolling stones"-let's see whose up on their black culture with that reference:cool: ) I introduced the idea about the intention of our sexuality and the proper spiritiual context for sex, citing the Genesis accounts of creation of humanity and matrimony. Then I asked then if they thought that the girls they were "messing with" and the sex that they were having:confused: was really showing forth all that God has for them in their sexuality? Were their "experiences," that they were so eager to share, worth all of the consequences they were and could experience? There was utter silence:(. One boy stated that we gave them a lot to think about and I replied that's all education is supposed to do, enlighten your lives and inform your decisions.

Many kids are having sex because they do not know that they don't have to. With all of the misinformation about sex that they see everyday, I see a generation of young people yearning for more information on the subject, both biological, intellectual, and spiritual. Abstinence is not even considered by most kids as an option. An empowered sexuality education class will equip kids with all the information that they need about the subject. That same boy that said he had a lot to think about also stated that he didn't know you could get herpes from just laying down with a girl, and that certain forms of it were incurable, but yet he has sex :eek: . Other boys thought that AIDS came from Africa because the people over there are "so dirty" (these are black boys mind you :mad: ). Most of the boys didn't think that abstinence was possible, but most of them saw it as the best thing for them (which is a start). Now we have to teach them to love themselves enough to allow for abstinence to be possible in their own lives. An empowered sexuality ed class will not just say sex is bad, don't do it (because the truth is that sex is beautiful) . It will empower kids to arrive at the best possible decision about sex for them, and benefit us all.

Blackwatch!!!!!!

[CrimsonTide4]

This was mentioned on a listserve that I am on with sorors and this really concerns me. I know a lot of you are parents and maybe you are not aware that this is going on, but it is. . . :(

**I tried to edit out as much as possible the offensive terminology.**

The kids call the game P_____ Poppers.

Girls wear these multicolored rubber bracelets on their arms and a boywill come up to them and try to break one... each color bracelet has a different meaning.....the girl will have to perform the act for that color. Students have been suspended from schools for selling them. These are the meanings for the colors (in DC).

*NOTE: THESE ARE THE CHILDREN'S MEANING AND TERMINOLOGY!!!!!
Black: Sexual intercourse (sex)
Blue: Oral sex
Green: Outdoor Sex
Clear: anything you want
Orange: Kiss
Yellow: Hug
Red: Lapdance (3 minute max)
Purple: Usual Sex (doggie style, etc.)
Silver: Fisting (hand in vagina/butt)
White: flashing your breasts
Pink: flash anything
Gold Glitter: make out
Brown: toss my salad
Glow in Dark: sex toys
Spikes: same sex

AGAIN EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION. THE KIDS
IN SCHOOLS ARE PLAYING THIS GAME. WE NEED TO LOOK FOR IT WHEN WE ARE DOING INTERVIEWS, INVESTIGATING CASES, ETC. Davis ES actually had a training on this topic. I performed a search on the internet and found millions of topics, websites, etc. on this topic. WE HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF CHILDREN AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, go to:
http://www.nbc10.com/news/2619696/detail.html and read.



Another soror shared:
There is also another "sex game" being played by middle school children. They're called Rainbow Parties. At these parties, the girls put different shades of lipstick on & perform oral sex on each boy. At the end, the boys' penises have different color lipstick rings that I guess look like a rainbow & hence the name Rainbow Parties. I live in the Baltimore Metro area but I am sure this game is not isolated to this area. These activities take place after the parent leaves but before the child goes to school or during the infamous hours after school but before the parents come home.

[James]

As a 14 year old boy, in almost any normal school, you would be a freaking idol if you got a blow job in class . . .

Hell 10 years ago getting a blow job at 14 at all was pretty noteworthy.

People are going to have sex. Keep in mind that 14 is old enough to marry by a lot of state laws.

The real issue is to try and teach them that they should have been a little more discreet.

Any issue as to how soon they should be haivng sex is really up to the parents.

Denying them an education over it, which a year long suspension does, is ludicrous.

As far as the teacher . . . He didn't do anything wrong that the article reveals.

The lawsuit . . is well . . . stupid . . although, if the boy had gone down on the girl, I wager she might have gotten a lot more sympathy for a suit.

[1savvydiva]

Okay, please don't take this as though I don't think this is a serious issue, but does anyone else see the humor in getting your salad tossed if you break the brown bracelet?

Okay...continue :o.

[RedefinedDiva]

Originally posted by 1savvydiva
Okay, please don't take this as though I don't think this is a serious issue, but does anyone else see the humor in getting your salad tossed if you break the brown bracelet?

Okay...continue :o.
:eek: Sistahdiva!

[1savvydiva]

...whats unbeleivable is that I have managed to stay out of the infamous basket! HA!

[Dedicated2Delta]

Another soror shared:
There is also another "sex game" being played by middle school children. They're called Rainbow Parties. At these parties, the girls put different shades of lipstick on & perform oral sex on each boy. At the end, the boys' penises have different color lipstick rings that I guess look like a rainbow & hence the name Rainbow Parties. I live in the Baltimore Metro area but I am sure this game is not isolated to this area. These activities take place after the parent leaves but before the child goes to school or during the infamous hours after school but before the parents come home.



Just yesterday my co-worker was telling me about the school his wife works at in Michigan. They had a total lockdown. Bathrooms, closets, gyms, empty classrooms, any hiding space has to be locked at all times. All the students have to be escorted any and everywhere by an adult. No classroom is allowed to be left without supervision. At this school they called this "game" a circle party.

[toocute]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
These activities take place after the parent leaves but before the child goes to school or during the infamous hours after school but before the parents come home.



Yeah the infamous hours after school but before the parents come home. This is why Mr Toocute and I are trying to get our isht together so by time CJ is in 5th grade almost Jr. High...I can be a stay at home mom or maybe work part time. I will be HOME to meet his azz when school is out.

I think I was still playing with dolls when I was in middle school.:confused:

[nikki1920]

I look at these girls now and am terrified for my daughter. They actually think that getting an STD is better than getting pregnant. :eek:
I wasn't thinking about bjs in elementary OR middle school...ewwwww..shoot, I didnt even know what "tossing a salad" meant until a few years ago and I am 27!

While I agree that abstinence should be taught in sex ed, I also think that these kids should be given the ENTIRE story. In HS, we saw a film of a woman giving birth. That was 2 years before I took the plunge, so to speak. I'd rather my daughter know the whole story about sex, FROM HER PARENTS, than to get wrong information on the street or from her friends.

And I commend the males out there doing their jobs as fathers/father figures. A big part of the reason why girls become sexually active can be linked to the absence of a father... *smh*

[Ginger]

I still don't know what tossing the salad is, and I'm almost 25! Would someone PM me?

This blows my mind. I didn't even start thinking about this kind of stuff until I was almost to college... and these are middle schoolers??? I have a feeling I'm going to be woefully naive when my own kidlets come along.

Edit: Oh, my. Well, now I know!

[vanda]

This hit close to home recently. One of my best friend's close relative ( she's 13) ran away from home for three days. When police brought her back home, her parents found out she had been with a boy but she couldn't remember how many she had been with. Now that htat has happened, she has had incidents at school where guys are throwing money at her telling her to them. It's sad. She still doesn't see how dangerous this is. She wants everything she wears extra tight and now walks like a peacock so her butt can stick out more. I just shake my head and hope she learns before it becomes too late.

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by Ginger
I still don't know what tossing the salad is, and I'm almost 25! Would someone PM me?



I first heard about it during one of Chris Rock's shows. . .

[Kimmie1913]

I am on the same listserv as CT4 and one of sorors indicated that these things are all over the ELEMENTARY SCHOOL she teaches at. I was still playng candyland in elementary school and was not thinking about having sex of any kind with anyone.


Anoother soror I shared the article with indicated that her husband who teaches here in the city, caught two kids having sex on the bathroom floor in the last couple of weeks.

Unreal.

[stardusttwin]

Originally posted by nikki1920
While I agree that abstinence should be taught in sex ed, I also think that these kids should be given the ENTIRE story. In HS, we saw a film of a woman giving birth. That was 2 years before I took the plunge, so to speak.

They showed that film sophmore year in HS-had the same effect-whatever minimal interest there was disappeared! I think if more kids would watch a baby story (on discovery channel) and see real life child birth was like they wouldn't be so quick to want one.

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by Kimmie1913
I am on the same listserv as CT4 and one of sorors indicated that these things are all over the ELEMENTARY SCHOOL she teaches at. I was still playng candyland in elementary school and was not thinking about having sex of any kind with anyone.


Anoother soror I shared the article with indicated that her husband who teaches here in the city, caught two kids having sex on the bathroom floor in the last couple of weeks.

Unreal.

My line sister's mom teaches 8th grade and a few years ago they discovered a group of girls in the bathroom performing oral sex on one another.

The school I taught at in Charlotte has it really bad with kids having sex in the bathrooms and in this hallway in the back.

Girls are charging for their services as well. . .prostitution.

I was not thinking about sex and boys really til like the 8th grade and me actually thinking about having sex not until college. I was not trying to get pregnant. Nowadays Maury shows girls trying to have sex. The other day a mother learned her 15 year old had had 22 partners. She had been sexually active for a year. :eek:

[1savvydiva]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
My line sister's mom teaches 8th grade and a few years ago they discovered a group of girls in the bathroom performing oral sex on one another.


:eek: MAN, these kids are off the chain! I wonder what has changed over the years to cause chilluns to be so bold and brazen with it?

[BirthaBlue4]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
This was mentioned on a listserve that I am on with sorors and this really concerns me. I know a lot of you are parents and maybe you are not aware that this is going on, but it is. . . :(

**I tried to edit out as much as possible the offensive terminology.**

The kids call the game P_____ Poppers.

Girls wear these multicolored rubber bracelets on their arms and a boywill come up to them and try to break one... each color bracelet has a different meaning.....the girl will have to perform the act for that color. Students have been suspended from schools for selling them. These are the meanings for the colors (in DC).

*NOTE: THESE ARE THE CHILDREN'S MEANING AND TERMINOLOGY!!!!!
Black: Sexual intercourse (sex)
Blue: Oral sex
Green: Outdoor Sex
Clear: anything you want
Orange: Kiss
Yellow: Hug
Red: Lapdance (3 minute max)
Purple: Usual Sex (doggie style, etc.)
Silver: Fisting (hand in vagina/butt)
White: flashing your breasts
Pink: flash anything
Gold Glitter: make out
Brown: toss my salad
Glow in Dark: sex toys
Spikes: same sex


SHUT UP YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

That is CRUCIAL, I've heard a lot, but this is a bit much. And in my area...

To clarify some things on Special Ed students (for some reason that stuck out like a sore thumb)...
They CAN be suspended, but they can't go over 10 suspension days in a year and it CANNOT be related to their disability (i.e. a child with Tourette's cannot be suspending for cussing in class, if that is one of the outbursts he has). People sometimes shy away from suspending them because they're scared and don't know the laws under IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act). While their suspended, they must continue to receive their educational program, which in a lot of cases would just mean an in school suspension since most school can't afford an inhouse aid to teach them. Additionally, depending on the child's disability, he may NOT have the skills needed to make those types of value judgements, BUT has ENOUGH skills to be included in a general education classroom (autism, mild mental retardation, etc). They are including more special ed students into the general classroom, so teachers have to be mindful of these things. (But he very well could have done it cuz he was horny...)

(sorry, Special ed major and I have school on the brain :D ).

But, WHY wasn't the girl suspended if he was? That is not right, she was the one doing it. And I remember science lab, you CANNOT see all students at ALL times. This is NOT the school system's fault, unless you want to blame them for not having sex ed to curb this kind of behavior.

I had sex ed in elementary. And I mean, most of us didn't do anything, but when we, er, they did, they were smart enough not to do it in friggin class. The bathroom, maybe, but not class. ;)

[9dstpm]

I was watching Oprah the other day and she was discussing this same topic with some parents on the show. One parent said that her son told her that oral sex was nothng more than a goodnight kiss while another parent's son said that it was impersonal and meaningless. I was :eek: ! I remember when I was in HIGH school (not middle school or elementary school) oral sex was like ewww, yuck and only the biggest garden tools did that. Even when I started college, oral sex was something that you did with your boyfriend/girlfriend and ONLY if ya'll had been together for a long, long, long time.

Shoot, when I was in 8th grade, I had a boyfriend but I thought him putting his arms around me or holding hands or kissing me on my cheek or forehead was THE biggest thrill of life!! :D

I'm glad for the heads up on the bracelets because at my agency, we have several girls that are wearing the bracelets but I don't know if the meanings are the same here in the Detroit/Flint/Saginaw area. I'm sure they are, though. I'll make sure to mention it in the staff meeting on Monday.

[blackerican]

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva
This is some BULL ISHT!!! What is the world coming to?!! How do you hand out BJs during Science class? A lot of kids these days don't think that oral sex is really sex. But wait, it's called oral SEX, you f'ing a**holes!!

I am sorry for my reaction and use of language, but children today make me CRAZY!! I have students that have sex at school or wherever they choose. I even caught one of my students in the hallway with her bra undone and a little boy feeling her up! :mad: :mad: I, too, have Sp. Ed. students and they don't suffer a lot of conseqences because people think Sp. Ed. means crazy and retarded. THESE CHILDREN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! The system is messed up and this Sp. Ed. stuff needs to be reevaluated.

As for the little boy's leg being broken, did he have something in his mouth that made him incapable of saying STOP! or alerting the teacher that a girl was "victimizing" him in class?

I have to agree with you RedefinedDiva....they knew what they were doing. The young lady in question should have been suspended too!!!! I also agree with CT4...teachers are not aware of everything. The parents need to talk to their children. And what do children that age know about BJ's anyway??? Where are they getting this ISH from????

[AlphaFrog]

I remember in Jr. High my friends and I found out what 69 meant and I remember us all going "EWWW...people actually DO that?!?!" And 'going out' meant sitting at the same lunch table, holding hands, MAYBE kissing, and buying eachother cheesy trinkets from walmart....Granted this was 10 years ago, but STILL....

[UpPinkies]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I remember in Jr. High my friends and I found out what 69 meant and I remember us all going "EWWW...people actually DO that?!?!" And 'going out' meant sitting at the same lunch table, holding hands, MAYBE kissing, and buying eachother cheesy trinkets from walmart....Granted this was 10 years ago, but STILL....


In 8th grade I remember people around me talking about sex and this one girl talking about performing oral sex on a man (you know what I mean). I asked her what was that and she gave this crazy looked like I was out of the loop. Then she could not tell me what it was so I went home and asked my mother and she told me. I was like EWWWWWWWWWWWW... I stopped our conversation right then and got sick to my stomach.

I remember in high school they must have put something in the water because my Freshman year a whole bunch of freshmen girls got pregnant, then had there babies, then were so behind that they dropped out. All I remember thinking is I can wait.

[1savvydiva]

6 year old performs sex act on another student for Spongebob toy...video news feed here. (http://kyw.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=9407&tf=kywviewer.tpl)

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by 1savvydiva
6 year old performs sex act on another student for Spongebob toy...video news feed here. (http://kyw.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=9407&tf=kywviewer.tpl)


OH DAYUM!!!!!

I cannot and do not even want to know more details.
Okay I went and watched it. :( God Bless the babies. :( :(

[Senusret I]

:eek:

[toocute]

Originally posted by 1savvydiva
6 year old performs sex act on another student for Spongebob toy...video news feed here. (http://kyw.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=9407&tf=kywviewer.tpl)

Kindergarten y'all....they are in kindergarten. :( :( :(

How does that little boy KNOW such things?

[skywalker20_99]

Are these the same bracelets we called "jelly bracelets" in the 80's? I knew they were making a comeback, but I hope that isn't what they are being used for!:eek:

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by toocute
Kindergarten y'all....they are in kindergarten. :( :( :(

How does that little boy KNOW such things?

Parents; older siblings. If you saw the grandmother of the girl who reported it, she looked pretty daggone young. :(


@ Soror Skywalker, yup the very SAME jelly bracelets.

[blackerican]

My son is 6yrs. old....I would have been livid if my son had told me something like that. And how about not all of the parents were notified??!!!! That is a problem:mad: . I feel sorry for those babies....

[DELTABRAT]

Originally posted by 1savvydiva
6 year old performs sex act on another student for Spongebob toy...video news feed here. (http://kyw.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=9407&tf=kywviewer.tpl)

This is horrible. But I thought the post said 6 year old performs sex act ON Spongebob...I was like "damn!"

[mulattogyrl]

I am horrified by this. My daughter turns 6 Thursday and this is very scary. OMG this makes me want to cry.:( I'll have to talk to her about the birds and bees a LOT earlier than I'd planned to.

[RedefinedDiva]

Did the school have a "Under New Management" sign out front? Is it a school or an apartment complex? What kind of mess is that?

[sageofages]

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva
Did the school have a "Under New Management" sign out front? Is it a school or an apartment complex? What kind of mess is that?

*crash*

Aren't the Philly Schools run by a private company now because they were in such bad shape? Hence the "new management"...with management like that...maybe they need the "old" management back!

[CrimsonTide4]

Authorities: Fifth-graders posted lookout, had sex in class (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/school.sex.ap/index.html)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Five fifth-grade students face criminal charges after authorities said four of them had sex in front of other students in an unsupervised classroom and kept a classmate posted as a lookout for teachers.

The students were arrested Tuesday at the Spearsville school in rural north Louisiana, authorities said. Two 11-year-old girls, a 12-year-old boy and a 13-year old boy were charged with obscenity, a felony. An 11-year-old boy, the alleged lookout, was charged with being an accessory.

"After 44 years of doing this work, nothing shocks me anymore," said Union Parish Sheriff Bob Buckley. "But this comes pretty close."

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :(

[12dn94dst]

"When no teacher showed up, the four began to have sex in the classroom with the other elementary students in the classroom with them," he said.

WHAT THE [filth flarn filth] HAPPENED TO PLAYING TAG OR SOME OTHER STUPID GAME IN THE CLASSROOM??? :confused::mad::confused::mad:

WHAT THE [filth flarn filth] ARE THE PARENTS TEACHING THESE KIDS?? :mad:


WHERE THE [filth flarn filth] ARE THE PARENTS??? :mad: :mad:

[DSTRen13]

Authorities: Fifth-graders posted lookout, had sex in class (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/school.sex.ap/index.html)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Five fifth-grade students face criminal charges after authorities said four of them had sex in front of other students in an unsupervised classroom and kept a classmate posted as a lookout for teachers.

The students were arrested Tuesday at the Spearsville school in rural north Louisiana, authorities said. Two 11-year-old girls, a 12-year-old boy and a 13-year old boy were charged with obscenity, a felony. An 11-year-old boy, the alleged lookout, was charged with being an accessory.

"After 44 years of doing this work, nothing shocks me anymore," said Union Parish Sheriff Bob Buckley. "But this comes pretty close."

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :(

I guess it's not technically illegal (is it??), but that is so incredibly SAD and DISGUSTING ... What possesses children to act like that?! I guess children aren't really children any more ... this kind of thing scares me :(

[Dionysus]

I guess it's not technically illegal (is it??), but that is so incredibly SAD and DISGUSTING ... What possesses children to act like that?! I guess children aren't really children any more ... this kind of thing scares me :(

I didn't know that a kiddo's wanger could even get hard at that age. Yuck. Yeah, when I was in fifth grade my interests were Guess? Jeans, sega/nintendo, and nickoledean (however you spell it).

[smlwonderdst]

Authorities: Fifth-graders posted lookout, had sex in class (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/school.sex.ap/index.html)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Five fifth-grade students face criminal charges after authorities said four of them had sex in front of other students in an unsupervised classroom and kept a classmate posted as a lookout for teachers.

The students were arrested Tuesday at the Spearsville school in rural north Louisiana, authorities said. Two 11-year-old girls, a 12-year-old boy and a 13-year old boy were charged with obscenity, a felony. An 11-year-old boy, the alleged lookout, was charged with being an accessory.

"After 44 years of doing this work, nothing shocks me anymore," said Union Parish Sheriff Bob Buckley. "But this comes pretty close."

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :(

Wow. Just Wow. :mad: This is a different world from which we grew up in. When I was in the 5th grade, sex was not even on my radar screen. This is just sad.

[tld221]

Authorities: Fifth-graders posted lookout, had sex in class (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/school.sex.ap/index.html)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) -- Five fifth-grade students face criminal charges after authorities said four of them had sex in front of other students in an unsupervised classroom and kept a classmate posted as a lookout for teachers.

The students were arrested Tuesday at the Spearsville school in rural north Louisiana, authorities said. Two 11-year-old girls, a 12-year-old boy and a 13-year old boy were charged with obscenity, a felony. An 11-year-old boy, the alleged lookout, was charged with being an accessory.

"After 44 years of doing this work, nothing shocks me anymore," said Union Parish Sheriff Bob Buckley. "But this comes pretty close."

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :(

anyone else subconsciously make this connection, between the name of the school and the location? :p :p (and this is why im not surprised by her downfall... look at her hometown yall)

and yeah, i remember in 8th grade some of my classmates trashed a classroom and since i didnt wanna do it, they told me to play lookout. well, of course we get caught and letters get sent home. and i get my @ss beat not because of the act, but because i had to take the rap for being a lame @ss lookout.

"if you gon be about it then be about it," ma would say.

and yeah, this is gross... but if they weren't doing it in the classroom, theyd be in someone's garage, backyard, bedroom, under the bleachers...

p.s. i didnt know "obscenity" was a felony... is that a Louisana thing? and isnt 12/13 years old a little grown to be in 5th grade?

ETA: ok, it took a full day for the sherriffs to find out about this? WTF? and what teacher leaves a class unattended to go to a school assembly?

[AlphaFrog]

anyone else subconsciously make this connection, between the name of the school and the location? :p :p (and this is why im not surprised by her downfall... look at her hometown yall)

That was seriously the FIRST think I noticed.

[CrimsonTide4]

anyone else subconsciously make this connection, between the name of the school and the location? :p :p (and this is why im not surprised by her downfall... look at her hometown yall)

and yeah, i remember in 8th grade some of my classmates trashed a classroom and since i didnt wanna do it, they told me to play lookout. well, of course we get caught and letters get sent home. and i get my @ss beat not because of the act, but because i had to take the rap for being a lame @ss lookout.

"if you gon be about it then be about it," ma would say.

and yeah, this is gross... but if they weren't doing it in the classroom, theyd be in someone's garage, backyard, bedroom, under the bleachers...

p.s. i didnt know "obscenity" was a felony... is that a Louisana thing? and isnt 12/13 years old a little grown to be in 5th grade?

ETA: ok, it took a full day for the sherriffs to find out about this? WTF? and what teacher leaves a class unattended to go to a school assembly?

The article is from New Orleans but the school is in rual north Louisiana, hence the bolding by the name of the school.

[laylo]

Sadly I am not shocked by this. In 4th grade I spent a year away from the good school I was used to in a poor school where kids were generally neglected talked down to. In the first month I was made fun of for being a virgin (I didn't even know what a virgin was). Later in the year my friend's 5th grade brother and his friend chased me home from the park saying (with laughter) that they were going to rape me. In that neighborhood boys were considered men at about 12 and expected to fend for themselves. That way of growing up too fast throws their sexuality off. And IMO the media is not helping.

[stardusttwin17]

I'm really trying to understand what was the purpose of arresting any of the children? All of them are equally underage and there is no indication that any half of the party was coerced or forced.

Some type of mandatory counseling - YES.

Being lookout should mean you get your tail waxed with a good old fashioned belt from Big Mamma - not be tagged as an accessory with an juvie record.

Going so far as to arrest all of them serves NO purpose except to shut the barn door after the horse has already left.

The teacher that was suppossed to be watching the class should be dusting off her resume.

[AlphaFrog]

I'm really trying to understand what was the purpose of arresting any of the children? All of them are equally underage and there is no indication that any half of the party was coerced or forced.

Some type of mandatory counseling - YES.

Being lookout should mean you get your tail waxed with a good old fashioned belt from Big Mamma - not be tagged as an accessory with an juvie record.

Going so far as to arrest all of them serves NO purpose except to shut the barn door after the horse has already left.

The teacher that was suppossed to be watching the class should be dusting off her resume.

They weren't arrested for statutory or anything like that, they were arrested for obscenity, which the lookout was an accessory to.

[tld221]

The teacher that was suppossed to be watching the class should be dusting off her resume.

she should be ripping it up and finding a new career.

(ok harsh, but really, leaving students unattended?)

[AlphaFrog]

she should be ripping it up and finding a new career.

(ok harsh, but really, leaving students unattended?)

If you read the story posting in the N&P forum, it wasn't that teacher's fault. That teacher was supposed to be at the assembly, and it was the previous teacher who mistakenly sent them on to the aforementioned teacher's class.

[stardusttwin17]

They weren't arrested for statutory or anything like that, they were arrested for obscenity, which the lookout was an accessory to.

I still don't think the spirit of the laws of obscenity were intended to arrest 11,12 & 13 year olds participating in consenual acts. Watching the door so others can get their freak on - you stoopid but not much else.

I'm not trying to make light of this - I just don't want these kids labeled as juvies and thus no expectations are held for them. Middle school is where many kids "drop out". Arresting them is just reactionary and over the top to me and does nothing to explain to the children or their classmates why they shouldn't have done what they did. The "just say no" approach didn't work when I was a kid and it clearly isn't working for this next over exposed generation.

[tld221]

If you read the story posting in the N&P forum, it wasn't that teacher's fault. That teacher was supposed to be at the assembly, and it was the previous teacher who mistakenly sent them on to the aforementioned teacher's class.


good looking out AF ;)
i suppose who is responsible for leaving said kids unattended is secondary...

Arresting them is just reactionary and over the top to me and does nothing to explain to the children or their classmates why they shouldn't have done what they did.

having sex as minors or doing so on school property? i mean, its already been mentioned but the former issue is more of a counseling/morals kind of issue, while the latter seems to be more a legality. and if these kids are ballsy enough to get it on out in the "open," then i doubt a slap on the wrist (and for obscenity at that) is making them scream mercy.

[Symbal]

This was mentioned on a listserve that I am on with sorors and this really concerns me. I know a lot of you are parents and maybe you are not aware that this is going on, but it is. . . :(

**I tried to edit out as much as possible the offensive terminology.**

The kids call the game P_____ Poppers.

Girls wear these multicolored rubber bracelets on their arms and a boywill come up to them and try to break one... each color bracelet has a different meaning.....the girl will have to perform the act for that color. Students have been suspended from schools for selling them. These are the meanings for the colors (in DC).

*NOTE: THESE ARE THE CHILDREN'S MEANING AND TERMINOLOGY!!!!!
Black: Sexual intercourse (sex)
Blue: Oral sex
Green: Outdoor Sex
Clear: anything you want
Orange: Kiss
Yellow: Hug
Red: Lapdance (3 minute max)
Purple: Usual Sex (doggie style, etc.)
Silver: Fisting (hand in vagina/butt)
White: flashing your breasts
Pink: flash anything
Gold Glitter: make out
Brown: toss my salad
Glow in Dark: sex toys
Spikes: same sex

AGAIN EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW THIS INFORMATION. THE KIDS
IN SCHOOLS ARE PLAYING THIS GAME. WE NEED TO LOOK FOR IT WHEN WE ARE DOING INTERVIEWS, INVESTIGATING CASES, ETC. Davis ES actually had a training on this topic. I performed a search on the internet and found millions of topics, websites, etc. on this topic. WE HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF CHILDREN AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING ON, go to:
http://www.nbc10.com/news/2619696/detail.html and read.



Another soror shared:
There is also another "sex game" being played by middle school children. They're called Rainbow Parties. At these parties, the girls put different shades of lipstick on & perform oral sex on each boy. At the end, the boys' penises have different color lipstick rings that I guess look like a rainbow & hence the name Rainbow Parties. I live in the Baltimore Metro area but I am sure this game is not isolated to this area. These activities take place after the parent leaves but before the child goes to school or during the infamous hours after school but before the parents come home.

http://www.snopes.com/risque/school/bracelet.asp

I remember when the rumors of this 'game' came out. I was still in early high school, and everyone laughed at the idea. They were fashion accessories, nothing more. We didn't need bracelets to show if we were willing to do things.

I remember a lot of kind being insulted that adults took such a rumor seriously. I also remember girls saying how ticked they'd be if someone broke their bracelets and thought they'd get anything other than a smack to the face for it.

[Conskeeted7]

Yeah, when I was in fifth grade my interests were Guess? Jeans, sega/nintendo, and nickoledean (however you spell it).

I agree that most of us cannot imagine thinking about having sex in the 5th grade. However, the things we used to do have been influenced with sex in a manner they weren't when we were kids. You say you used to play video games. The video games now have extreme violence and sex acts portrayed. We didn't play games like that. Even wearing Guess jeans has been replaced with Apple Bottoms and Baby phat, which are both sexual descriptions, in my opinion. Basic cable that carried Nickelodeon (and not much else) has been replaced with cable networks that show explicit shows all times of the day and night, for free. You don't even have to pay extra for those shows anymore.

It's not just the media. Everywhere kids turn now, they are enticed by sex.

[eduakator]

:confused:Is it me? At 10,11, or 12 I didn't even know about oral sex much least would have done it. What kind of home life does this child have to even know about oral sex? Its clear that she is not watching the cartoon network.

[MeezDiscreet]

what about the fact that you have 5th graders who are this old? :confused: Therein lies the problem!

I was telling someone the other day that about how freaky my 7th graders are--they party like rock stars. And they were like "7th grade!!" But I had to tell them that I have 14, 15, 16 year old 7th graders. They're the same age as juniors in high school and how many juniors did you know having sex? EXACTLY!!

[BlessedOne04]

:confused:Is it me? At 10,11, or 12 I didn't even know about oral sex much least would have done it. What kind of home life does this child have to even know about oral sex? Its clear that she is not watching the cartoon network.

Kids now a days are alot more advanced! And even the cartoon network gets out of hand at night!

[Dionysus]

I don't think them being exposed to more things can be the only explanation. Heck I was exposed to a lot of stuff way before I became interested in sex. Is it the hormones in milk or something?