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AKA2D '91

02-18-2003, 03:24 PM

I read it earlier this morning.

I'm glad someone responded saying that their parents were racists and would disown them if they brought any other race home.

Those were not the EXACT words, but most of them are. I can appreciate that. If that is the TRUTH and one can admit it, that's cool. I may not like it, but hey that's his/her folks.

The Ghetto Fab thread, I haven't "seent" it yet. LOL :p

Edit: I just looked at the IR thread. :eek: :eek: If that's what floats your boat...I guess. :rolleyes:

:confused:

NOWorNEVER

02-18-2003, 08:39 PM

I just read all those threads and didn't realize until now how many stupid ass people are here on Greekchat :rolleyes:

CrimsonTide4

02-18-2003, 08:45 PM

Beware because now the General Forums bouncer will refute your comments based on the premise that you have never posted in the General Forums before. :rolleyes:

If you are going to argue, do it on my comments and NOT my posting patterns and preferences.:mad:

Honeykiss1974

02-18-2003, 10:33 PM

Ok, the Ghetto Fab thread was getting off the chain. (Is that a Ghetto Fab phrase ? :p ).

It kills me when folks throw parties like that under the guise of innocennt ignorance.

WHATEVER! :mad:

Steeltrap

02-19-2003, 05:18 PM

And there is no point in posting in it. Except for my sorors and some others, I probably will never meet any of those people in my life. I'm far too old to get my drawers in a bunch over people who I don't know and never will meet.

What I think, however, is that many of these people have never met an AfAm in real life. Or if they know them, the AfAms are of the "go along to get along" type who don't make waves. This is why, IMO, some of the others seem to be shocked by the candor I see in the responses.

As for where I'm posting in GC, I like our rooms because we generally have more substantial conversations. No offense to anyone, but I'm nearly 17 years out of college and some of the stuff discussed in the general rooms is beyond me.

Bamboozled

02-19-2003, 05:36 PM

Yeah, I always try to stay out of those convos, but I just can't seem to do it. LOL. I just posted my final thoughts on the topic (yeah right) and I hope at least one person over there gets what I'm saying.

VirtuousErudite

02-19-2003, 05:41 PM

I read it and I've really been wondering if I am wrong for feeling this way but the two black girls over in the forum who are members of NPC orgs are really irking me. I have no problem with the fact that they decided to go NPC but it sorta bothers me that they made the comment that "I would never date a black man" and one of them went as far as to say "all my friends are white". Maybe I'm being extra sensitive but it just makes me sick to see things like that and I may be reading too much into this but I wonder if they even like black people in general. :rolleyes:

CrimsonTide4

02-19-2003, 07:06 PM

Dionysus

02-19-2003, 07:51 PM

FeeFee

02-19-2003, 07:53 PM

Steeltrap

02-19-2003, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Dionysus
I assume they have not been around a lot of other black people in their lifetime, and the few they've been around were negative. A lack of POSITIVE black role models and environment can fuel attitudes like theirs.

Just as we have been discussing, it is a popular thought that ghetto=black...not just with white people. Sadly there are LOTS of black people who think that too. If you have not been exposed to other black people who have their stuff together, it isn't uncommon not wanting to be associated.

But what I wonder is how can you be raised by a black parent or two and have such negative attitudes? It does boggle the mind.

Dionysus

02-19-2003, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Steeltrap
But what I wonder is how can you be raised by a black parent or two and have such negative attitudes? It does boggle the mind.

Parents are just one source of influence, peers and enviroment outside the house can be just as strong influences....not in all cases though, just some.

Steeltrap

02-19-2003, 08:45 PM

Good points you made about other peers.

But I would think that your parents should be the supreme influence, but I guess that's just me ((shrugs shoulders)).

I was picked on like a mutha when I was a kid because my interests didn't fit someone's stereotype. But d***, it never got to the point where I didn't want to have anything to do with my own.

Afrochic

02-20-2003, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I read it and I've really been wondering if I am wrong for feeling this way but the two black girls over in the forum who are members of NPC orgs are really irking me. I have no problem with the fact that they decided to go NPC but it sorta bothers me that they made the comment that "I would never date a black man" and one of them went as far as to say "all my friends are white". Maybe I'm being extra sensitive but it just makes me sick to see things like that and I may be reading too much into this but I wonder if they even like black people in general. :rolleyes:

I don't feel you are extra sensitive. I read both of the ladies comments as well and what I will never understand is how do you look at your black face in the mirror, but refuse to give your mirror image, a black man, a chance? It's like partially denying a part of yourself. An episode of Good Fences maybe? I don't knock anyone for dating outside of their race. I say love who loves you, but at least give your race a try before you just dismiss the issue. I couldn't say I would never date a black man when a black man created me. Maybe having the father that I had developed my appreciation for black men. Well I guess preferences make the world go round. I ain't mad at them though cause I love me some black brothas, ain't nothing finer, but I don't and never will understand where they are coming from.

TRUBLUBU2

02-20-2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by VirtuousErudite
I read it and I've really been wondering if I am wrong for feeling this way but the two black girls over in the forum who are members of NPC orgs are really irking me. I have no problem with the fact that they decided to go NPC but it sorta bothers me that they made the comment that "I would never date a black man" and one of them went as far as to say "all my friends are white". Maybe I'm being extra sensitive but it just makes me sick to see things like that and I may be reading too much into this but I wonder if they even like black people in general. :rolleyes:

i don't think you were too sensitive in making your assessment of the two black women...i was puzzled and saddened as well (and for their sakes, too) by their comments. it's one thing to date other races, but to limit yourself to one race and brag about having race-exclusive friendships is just PLAIN IGNORANT! think about how those comments would sound coming from two white women...i also wonder if their statements were taken as positive and complimentary by the posters who consider themselves "white"...

i find their declarations especially telling...i mean, did ANY of the "others" feel the need to state that they "would never date a white man/woman" or that "all my friends are black"? if i missed it, please let me know...thanks! ;) :cool:

i, too, liked the fact that many who posted were "straight up" and basically admitted that bigotry DOES still exist and is still being taught in families. honesty of that type, in such a forum and in life, is a very rare pleasure, indeed.

perhaps, if there were more candid speech EVERYDAY, we'd have fewer misunderstandings--and we'd know EXACTLY where people stood.

DELTAQTE

02-21-2003, 10:28 AM

:eek: :eek: and more :eek:

Man I wish I had come across that thread earlier. I was also offended at UF saying "You black chicks" damn we can't even be respected and called women?:mad:

whatever!

QTE

AKA2D '91

02-21-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Steeltrap
But what I wonder is how can you be raised by a black parent or two and have such negative attitudes? It does boggle the mind.

If you watch 'Good Fences' on Showtime, you won't have to wonder.

Edit:
A response made by CT4 (G Fab Thread:)
She registered in January 2002 -- new my AZZ. Even if she was new to GC, she is not a new college student. Not everything that is done in the hip hop world is meant to be emulated. [bold]College is supposed to be where the leaders are, but hey I guess some of you are the leaders. Look at Bush.

:o :o

LMAO

Steeltrap

02-21-2003, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
If you watch 'Good Fences' on Showtime, you won't have to wonder.

I need to watch that when it comes back on rerun. :D

But I also got to thinking about this topic and Janet Cooke. For those who don't know, Cooke is the disgraced Washington Post reporter who had to return the 1982 Pulitzer Price after making up a fake story about an 8-year-old heroin addict.

Ms. Cooke had a lot of the same issues we're talking about on this board. With that in mind, I found a GQ story on her, read it and picked up on several things that dovetail with this topic:

Her father, who was one of the top executives at the Toledo, Ohio gas company at one time, told her that the other black kids in their AfAm neighborhood "are not smart enough or cultured enough to be your playmates."
WTF?:mad:

Also, once she worked at the Post, she wasn't even cordial or civil to her AfAm coworkers. And other people noticed this -- in fact, her editor mentioned it in her job performance evaluation and said that Ms. Cooke should at least say hello to three black male reporters who had access to Ben Bradlee, who was the editor-in-chief at that time.

The editor also suggested to Ms. Cooke that "perhaps you might want to make some black friends within the newsroom. Maybe that would ease the pains you have in your stomach."

Well, suffice it to say, Ms. Cooke didn't learn.

librasoul22

02-21-2003, 03:12 PM

I think I have a rep over on Chit Chat as being the resident "militant".

There have been racial topics aplenty over there, these are just the latest. (search "prejudism"...it will offer hours of unbridled entertainment, promise!) Most of them end up with a zillion posts and no resolutions. Still, I am compelled to respond. I guess it is just my stubborness. And you know, it is really difficult because I am almost SURE they sign off GC thinking "man, black people are hyper-sensitive about every little thing." But still, I just feel that it is better to at least attempt to show them another perspective so they think twice about doing something ignorant like a ghetto fab party. :rolleyes:

I have actually learned alot on Chit Chat (part of it is how to better deal with ignorance), and I post there almost everyday. I find it to be more light-hearted and more "anything goes" that BGLO boards. I mean, can anyone who checked the "Offended" thread fathom that being here or on AKA, ZPhiB, or SGrho? LOL.

At the same time, it is an eye-opener because, as Steeltrap said, I am almost positive that some of them have only been exposed to Black people (and by that I mean Black people who are CONSCIOUS of their blackness) through the media. When they post certain things that seem close-minded and ignorant without batting an eyelash, it sort of bothers me. But hey, I think CT4 once said that GC is a microcosm of real life, so best be equipped to deal!

Steeltrap

02-21-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by librasoul22
I think I have a rep over on Chit Chat as being the resident "militant".

There have been racial topics aplenty over there, these are just the latest. (search "prejudism"...it will offer hours of unbridled entertainment, promise!) Most of them end up with a zillion posts and no resolutions. Still, I am compelled to respond. I guess it is just my stubborness. And you know, it is really difficult because I am almost SURE they sign off GC thinking "man, black people are hyper-sensitive about every little thing." But still, I just feel that it is better to at least attempt to show them another perspective so they think twice about doing something ignorant like a ghetto fab party. :rolleyes:

I have actually learned alot on Chit Chat (part of it is how to better deal with ignorance), and I post there almost everyday. I find it to be more light-hearted and more "anything goes" that BGLO boards. I mean, can anyone who checked the "Offended" thread fathom that being here or on AKA, ZPhiB, or SGrho? LOL.

At the same time, it is an eye-opener because, as Steeltrap said, I am almost positive that some of them have only been exposed to Black people (and by that I mean Black people who are CONSCIOUS of their blackness) through the media. When they post certain things that seem close-minded and ignorant without batting an eyelash, it sort of bothers me. But hey, I think CT4 once said that GC is a microcosm of real life, so best be equipped to deal!

You, my friend, are doing the Lord's work by trying to educate and give perspective. And you're not THAT militant. :p :)

I suppose that I'm just too old and worn-out to deal with ignorance and too jaded to constantly give people who should know better (but don't) Black People 101 classes.

Having said that, I did post in one of the prejudism threads because the instigator absolutely needed to be checked and should have lost posting privileges. Sorry, I don't consider a MB free speech -- although I'm a journo, I'm not a fan of unbridled First Amendment rights. ;)

CrimsonTide4

02-21-2003, 09:49 PM

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29628

Well I just be DAMNED!!!!

I have not read the article but the comments of HOOSIER were SO UNNECESSARY!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Gina1201

02-21-2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29628

Well I just be DAMNED!!!!

I have not read the article but the comments of HOOSIER were SO UNNECESSARY!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

The link to the article did not work. CT4, I agree with you 100%. His comments were NOT needed. :mad:

CrimsonTide4

02-21-2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Gina1201
The link to the article did not work. CT4, I agree with you 100%. His comments were NOT needed. :mad:

Article did not work for me either. I will do a search for KAPsi and hazing to see what this latest incident involves.

CrimsonTide4

02-21-2003, 10:12 PM

This is from another site, local Louisiana News Channel. . . http://www.ktbs.com/news/education.html

NSU FRATERNITY MEMBERS ARRESTED IN HAZING INCIDENT
02-14-2003

Eleven fraternity members at Northwestern State University have been arrested and their fraternity has been suspended for alleged hazing of a pledge.

A twelfth suspect was expected to surrender today.

The case involves Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity. NSU police detective Doug Prescott said a fraternity pledge was beaten during initiation ceremonies Feb. 2 and Feb. 9 at two off-campus locations.

The pledge -- who has resigned from the university -- suffered bruises to his upper body but his injuries were not serious, Prescott said.

The suspects face charges of simple battery, aggravated battery and hazing. NSU police have not have not yet released their names, saying it could affect the investigation.

Kappa Alpha Psi has been suspended from the university pending completion of the investigation, an NSU spokesman said. He said the fraternity was cooperating in the investigation.

Steeltrap

02-22-2003, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29628

Well I just be DAMNED!!!!

I have not read the article but the comments of HOOSIER were SO UNNECESSARY!!!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Well, he actually had the nerve to post a thread about how he would never be black. I reported it and it was locked. Remember, this is the same creature that referred to Alpha Phi Alpha as a "chicken" fraternity in another post.
:rolleyes:

DELTAQTE

02-22-2003, 08:12 AM

And honestly y'all, I think quite a few White GLO don't think we are "important". Delta's on my campus are pretty cool with the a few of them(Sigma Chi, Delta Sigma Phi, etc) and one day we were all in a circle at a Sigma Chi party talking. I asked them "seriously, how do you see the NPHC?". They were REALLY honest and told us that most of them on campus don't think we count because our chapters arent that big, and we barely have any houses. And a few said that we have only been around between 70-90 years and that isn't very long(what????:eek: ).

It was a very honest convo and I'm glad that we got raw with it. We told them how some of us felt, but we weren't speaking for all BGLO's. This was about 2 years ago.

QTE

cinamin1

02-22-2003, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Dionysus
Parents are just one source of influence, peers and enviroment outside the house can be just as strong influences....not in all cases though, just some.

To back how true this quote is...
Have yall seen the movie on Showtime called "Good Fences"?
Starred Whoopi Goldberg and Danny Glover--it was about a balck family "moving on up".

CrimsonTide4

02-24-2003, 09:27 AM

More stimulating (NO REALLY) convo in Greek Life about the Desegregation of Universoty of Alabama's Greek System:

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29940

sigmadiva

02-25-2003, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
More stimulating (NO REALLY) convo in Greek Life about the Desegregation of Universoty of Alabama's Greek System:

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29940

There are about two or three threads on this topic. It got started by someone who asked about Melody Twilley, a Black U of Alabama student who went through NPC rush and was not given a bid. Some say she had a bad attidue throughout the rush process. But, she 'stated' (I don't know her exact words) that she was not given a bid because she is Black.

Anyway, I have participated in some of the U of A threads and I try to emphasize that NPHC sororites are very strong in our community so we, as Black women, look to join them. I suggested that ZTA and Phi Mu, as examples, should be stronger in the minority (read Black) community so if they truly want Black members then when we see them in our community a young Black woman can make that choice between SGR and ZTA if she wants to. I am not holding my breath on seeing NPC in my neighborhood. :(

btw, hoosier IS ALWAYS posting negative articles on BGLOs and Blacks in general. He/She has some real issues.

Steeltrap

03-05-2003, 03:39 PM

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30444

librasoul22

03-05-2003, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by Steeltrap
http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30444

Good call, ST because this one promises to be the best one yet!

CrimsonTide4

03-05-2003, 07:53 PM

In the words of AKA2D, yes infreakingdeed. :D

ST, CONGRATS on 2000 posts. :cool:

Steeltrap

03-06-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
In the words of AKA2D, yes infreakingdeed. :D

ST, CONGRATS on 2000 posts. :cool:

Thank you. GC cracks me up, makes me angry (at times) and makes me think.
I'm glad you let me play.
:) :D

CrimsonTide4

03-10-2003, 10:39 PM

They want to know why we use INC. in our organizations' names. :p

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30670

AKA2D '91

03-11-2003, 09:32 AM

Wasn't that topic of discussion a few years ago?

CrimsonTide4

03-11-2003, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Wasn't that topic of discussion a few years ago?

Peep how my co-mod handled the thread. :D :cool:

Steeltrap

03-11-2003, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Peep how my co-mod handled the thread. :D :cool:

I peeped. But because I'm a peace-loving Libra, I took care of the posters' request through PM. But I also call for searches because the board doesn't need to be slogged by repetitive topics.
:D :p

12dn94dst

03-11-2003, 04:07 PM

i'm generally a peace loving Libra as well, but sometimes enough is too much.

CrimsonTide4

03-13-2003, 05:31 PM

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30767

Hazing and Phi Beta Sigma.

Honeykiss1974

03-13-2003, 06:17 PM

quote:
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Originally posted by DeltaSigStan
Ok jeez, I didn't know, don't have to roll your eyes.
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Originally posted by 12dn94dst
but it's fun & my eyes get so little exercise during the day
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Your response had me CTFU!! *lol*

Regarding Hoosier, he can make like a leaf and BLOW!

DELTAQTE

03-14-2003, 07:07 AM

I know, between him and UF Pike, I don't which is worse:rolleyes:

CrimsonTide4

03-14-2003, 12:26 PM

Interesting article involving Russians @ Alcorn State

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30849

librasoul22

04-28-2003, 02:13 PM

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26754&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Steeltrap

04-29-2003, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by librasoul22
http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26754&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

And guess what? The same silly s*** who posted it came back and said that SHE (who I don't think is AfAm) doesn't find it offensive and that it's OK to do it for a Halloween party. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I just love seeing people hang themselves. Ladies and gents, flame away....:p

ClassyLady

04-29-2003, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by scpiano211
I don't find it offensive and if one is dressing up for a HALLOWEEN party then yes it IS ok!

Originally posted by starang21
to be honest, no one really cares what YOU think on blackface.

I found that response to her ignorance so hilarious! The thread should have been locked after that post because it was the most perfect ending.

Honeykiss1974

04-30-2003, 12:09 AM

That thread was (and I quote courtesy of the very last poster) REDICULOUS!!!

librasoul22

04-30-2003, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
That thread was (and I quote courtesy of the very last poster) REDICULOUS!!!

lol...here is the full post from that upstanding member of GC:

"my god, i wish everyone would just stop WHINING about some guys dressing up as black people for halloween. get the hell over it!! get a life while youre at it! historical significance my a$$, i do not care, why does anyone? should i hate all people from england cause they treated americans badly when we were a colony? everyone is just bitching and moaning and the fact that they were punished at all is REDICULOUS."

miss priss

04-30-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Interesting article involving Russians @ Alcorn State

http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30849
CT4, this article has me steamed! Where was I when this came out? This article gives not only Alcorn a bad name but all HBCU's a bad name. It only takes one article to do a lifetime of damage. This a-hole probably saw ASU once and stopped the first white person he saw willing to talk to him about this stupid-a** subject. Then he tried to gussy it up (yeah I said gussy, lol) by making it sound good at the end. How do you feel about that? Doesn't it make you mad to see people like him put our schools on front street without addressing the very SAME problems they have (and comments) from HWCU's?
See, URP is back !

SIDEBAR: I attend a racially "diverse" (so they say it's still an HWCU) campus and the attitude is the same about the school I attend and it is nationally ranked as well as ASU.

Steeltrap

04-30-2003, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by ClassyLady
I found that response to her ignorance so hilarious! The thread should have been locked after that post because it was the most perfect ending.

The thread was eventually locked after the "rediculous" poster. After all, the whole thing is "downright ludacris."
:rolleyes:

lovelyivy84

04-30-2003, 12:59 PM

LMAO!

I dont know how you guys have the patience for those arguments anymore. Our opinions and their opinions are two different things and never the two shall meet. There will be no conversions on either side.

Steeltrap

04-30-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
LMAO!

I dont know how you guys have the patience for those arguments anymore. Our opinions and their opinions are two different things and never the two shall meet. There will be no conversions on either side.

Soror, I've been there and I'm with you -- I come to GC to enjoy myself with intelligent people, not trade flames with the ignorant.

That thread petered out four months ago. But once again, an ignorant member of the GC community didn't know to let the s**t die, or a mod should have locked it sooner.

lovelyivy84

04-30-2003, 01:37 PM

Soror ST it's just that at this point we have ALL been in that discussion. THe only times I participate anymore are when I want to vent, lol.

They are always good when you feel like being a bitch to someone who can't really answer back in any coherent manner, although after a while it gets to easy. I mean why bother arguing with PM Mama? I know I'll win the argument. I just will. There's no mystery there.

Steeltrap

04-30-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
Soror ST it's just that at this point we have ALL been in that discussion. THe only times I participate anymore are when I want to vent, lol.

They are always good when you feel like being a bitch to someone who can't really answer back in any coherent manner, although after a while it gets to easy. I mean why bother arguing with PM Mama? I know I'll win the argument. I just will. There's no mystery there.

LOL, that's true. Thanks Soror LI84 for making me think about it that way. And it's almost too easy to make sport of the ingorant (sic).:p

aurora_borealis

05-01-2003, 07:41 PM

On the Russian subject...

Sistermadly - maybe it was just where and how I was brought up, but I didn't think anything about a white woman joining Zeta Phi Beta, but that she was Russian. The University system and obviously the culture are so different I find her nationality more interesting than her being white. The Greek system is definitely an American thing, though fraternal organizations are not. I am moving back to the lower 48 (hurrah!!!) but if I was staying here I'd take a serious look at Delta Sigma Theta. The ladies here are always representing themselves well, and I see them in their letters all over town. Even in Japan the Deltas were visible and doing their thing well. I would rather be in a group that is about something, than one that you never hear about and never has their name in the paper for all the good works. Not that all NPC groups are like one I am thinking of, but forming a colony because you and your friends all have boyfriends in a fraternity is not for me; having sisterhood and making the world a better place is.

Secondly...I am in complete agreement with all the comments about the people who post with complete stupidity. Where did they grow up and how did they become so ignorant? I had a discussion with my friend about the blackface incidents and she almost signed up for an account so she could post comments of her own. How can anyone ever think that is okay? EVER? Or a "ghetto fab" party...what goes through their heads and what world do they live in? As far as interracial relationships go, my best friend is the product of one, and she is such a great friend I am all for them.

Maybe there should be a thread...though it is mean spirited and would likely be locked "stupid post of the week". My nomination is for the guy who thought black people chose to be branded with their affiliation because tattoo ink wouldn't work on their skin. Or perhaps the people defending the Kappa Sigs in Tennessee because "it is a costume party". What scares me more is that these people somehow made it into college, and they may BREED!!!!

CrimsonTide4

08-30-2003, 01:24 PM

SensuretI does not understand lack of NPHC representation in Chit Chat forums (http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38632)

What say you?!?!

1savvydiva

08-30-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
What say you?!?! [/B]

Hey what can I say...ya'll don't 'take no mess'. :D

I think it was Wonderful1908 that said it best, these forums (although from time to time I do post in CC) are all-inclusive and more connected to my interests...one stop shop!

Steeltrap

08-30-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
SensuretI does not understand lack of NPHC representation in Chit Chat forums (http://forums.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38632)

What say you?!?!

What say me? I say, although I do post in CC if we're talking shopping or Queer Eye, as an example, I was turned off by certain threads -- Auburn, prejudism, etc. No offense to John Hammell, but there are four pissant racist instigators who I'm thinking of right now who need to be BLOCKED and thrown off, although Trollshika and Trollshiko McTroll always come back with new usernames.:mad: :rolleyes:

blackerican

09-01-2003, 04:15 PM

Without interracial dating I would not have been created!!!! My mom (who is African-American) and my dad (who is Puerto Rican) came together to share a life and create a beautiful child (Me!!!). I was raised to look within a person (at their qualities) when I decided to find my mate. I wanted to be treated with respect and I wanted to be valued!!! It just so happens that my "Prince Charming" is African-American. I choose him because he reminded me of my dad....he was sweet, respectful, and supportive of my dreams. Not to mention S.L.A.M. (sexy like a motherf*@cker!!!!). So....love who you love.

CrimsonTide4

10-04-2003, 03:41 PM

http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40201

librasoul22

10-04-2003, 05:21 PM

It is typical Hoosier fare.

He said lovelyivy, librasoul and our "ilk." Hee. He conviently left our the "other" people who disagreed. Guess they are included in our ILK, but not really bad enough to call THEM by name.

sigmadiva

10-04-2003, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by librasoul22
It is typical Hoosier fare.

He said lovelyivy, librasoul and our "ilk." Hee. He conviently left our the "other" people who disagreed. Guess they are included in our ILK, but not really bad enough to call THEM by name.

I am starting to think that maybe Hoosier really wants to be Black. :confused: :eek: :confused:

Honeykiss1974

10-05-2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by sigmadiva
I am starting to think that maybe Hoosier really wants to be Black. :confused: :eek: :confused:

Or maybe he got picked on in High School and the kids happened to be black? :confused: :eek: :confused:

Steeltrap

10-05-2003, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Or maybe he got picked on in High School and the kids happened to be black? :confused: :eek: :confused:

Or even better, he lost his woman to a black man.:p

But on a serious note, he doesn't realize that there was a civil rights movement and the days of people of color taking ignorant abuse are long gone.

Does he actually expect people who he attacks to sit up there and let his butt clown them?:rolleyes: I don't appreciate somebody who knows NOTHING ABOUT MY SORORITY making value judgments.

Steeltrap

10-05-2003, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by librasoul22
It is typical Hoosier fare.

He said lovelyivy, librasoul and our "ilk." Hee. He conviently left our the "other" people who disagreed. Guess they are included in our ILK, but not really bad enough to call THEM by name.

Maybe I'm reading a helluva lot more into this than I should, but basically I think he has the urge to refer to us as n*****s.
:mad:

ChaosDST

10-05-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Steeltrap
But what I wonder is how can you be raised by a black parent or two and have such negative attitudes? It does boggle the mind.

Their parents probably needed a reality check while these girls were little. It's never too late, so now these unfortunate black women need the reality check.

ChaosDST

10-05-2003, 07:58 PM

Originally posted by TRUBLUBU2
i find their declarations especially telling...i mean, did ANY of the "others" feel the need to state that they "would never date a white man/woman" or that "all my friends are black"? if i missed it, please let me know...thanks! ;) :cool:

Good observation.

Generally speaking (read: doesn't apply to everyone) blacks and other races who only identify with whites feel the need to denounce themselves and their race. This is often a way of becoming accepted and proving to their white counterparts that they're not "like the others" and aren't threatening.

ChaosDST

10-05-2003, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by librasoul22
I think I have a rep over on Chit Chat as being the resident "militant".

There have been racial topics aplenty over there, these are just the latest. (search "prejudism"...it will offer hours of unbridled entertainment, promise!) Most of them end up with a zillion posts and no resolutions. Still, I am compelled to respond. I guess it is just my stubborness. And you know, it is really difficult because I am almost SURE they sign off GC thinking "man, black people are hyper-sensitive about every little thing." But still, I just feel that it is better to at least attempt to show them another perspective so they think twice about doing something ignorant like a ghetto fab party. :rolleyes:

I have actually learned alot on Chit Chat (part of it is how to better deal with ignorance), and I post there almost everyday. I find it to be more light-hearted and more "anything goes" that BGLO boards. I mean, can anyone who checked the "Offended" thread fathom that being here or on AKA, ZPhiB, or SGrho? LOL.

At the same time, it is an eye-opener because, as Steeltrap said, I am almost positive that some of them have only been exposed to Black people (and by that I mean Black people who are CONSCIOUS of their blackness) through the media. When they post certain things that seem close-minded and ignorant without batting an eyelash, it sort of bothers me. But hey, I think CT4 once said that GC is a microcosm of real life, so best be equipped to deal!

Exactly!

This is why GC is racially segregated, just like the rest of AmeriKKKa. Although, we segregate under the guise of different organizational affiliations. It's just mere coincidence that it results in racial segregation...yeah right!!! Regardless, people go where they feel most comfortable and don't have to bother with being offensive to others or offended by others.

lovelyivy84

10-05-2003, 09:02 PM

All I know is that I am LMAO at the idea that OUR HAZING tars THEM with some kind of brush in the media.

Yeah sure. Because of course THEY DON'T HAVE ANY HAZING INCIDENTS OR DEATHS OF THEIR OWN, RIGHT?:rolleyes:

Most white people only know anything about BGLOs from School Daze, the three or four who saw that movie with their black friends.

And THEIR (NPC, IFC, etc) reputations have FAR more of an effect on US!

How many times have you told someone non-black that you are in a sorority and had to point out that none of your chapter sorors ever made out, are on Girls Gone Wild tapes, or have parties that revolve solely around alchohol (ours are much more likely to revolve around who has the tightest stroll:D ).

The idea that WE have a negative impact on THEM is hysterical.

aurora_borealis

10-05-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by ChaosDST
Exactly!

This is why GC is racially segregated, just like the rest of AmeriKKKa. Although, we segregate under the guise of different organizational affiliations. It's just mere coincidence that it results in racial segregation...yeah right!!! Regardless, people go where they feel most comfortable and don't have to bother with being offensive to others or offended by others.

I feel awfully comfortable over in the AKA and DST forums. I have never once been offended, and I certainly hope I haven't offended people. I know I can sass someone in a post, but I see a lot of "the golden rule" over here (and I don't mean Mr. T "the man with the gold - rules").

There are an abundance of topics, wonderful people, just and beautiful :D moderators, thought provoking comments, and lots of laughs.

ChaosDST

10-05-2003, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by aurora_borealis
I feel awfully comfortable over in the AKA and DST forums. I have never once been offended, and I certainly hope I haven't offended people. I know I can sass someone in a post, but I see a lot of "the golden rule" over here (and I don't mean Mr. T "the man with the gold - rules").

There are an abundance of topics, wonderful people, just and beautiful :D moderators, thought provoking comments, and lots of laughs.

GOOD!

That makes you a "minority" on GC ;)

breathesgelatin

10-06-2003, 05:16 AM

Let me just say I agree with a_b.

Everyone knows that hoosier is a nasty racist and no one around here likes him. There are a few that do, but they are mostly older alums of NIC fraternities. Pretty much every NPC member and younger NIC member can't deal with his crap (including breaking into fraternity houses!!). Personally I wish he'd get banned but because people delete his worst stuff he doesn't.

There are a lot of racist nasty fools on GC but please know that not all of us support that crap. As a_b said I too love to browse the forums of Delta Sigma Theta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sigma Gamma Rho, and Zeta Phi Beta because they have the most variety and quality of topics. I don't post much because obviously I am not a member of those orgs but anyway, I have learned a lot about NPHC orgs on GC and I have tried to take that knowledge that I have back to my campus, which has no NPHCs. (Although I think that may soon be changing, we'll see! :D) Anyway I have gained a great respect for your organizations and the service that you do! I think that the NPC/NIC need to get in line with the service and lifetime dedication that you show!

aurora_borealis

10-06-2003, 10:02 AM

Perhaps we need to start up a new group...

I ota
L ambda
K appa

And as far as going into homes uninvited...I still don't like it. I have been attending COB events and I see the girls through the window, and I still KNOCK every single time. It isn't my home though I am made to feel extremely welcome there. I also knock on the fraternity homes as well, even though I know the doors are open. My family would slap me back to the days of butterfly collars if I just walked right up in uninvited.

ChaosDST

10-06-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by breathesgelatin
Let me just say I agree with a_b.

Everyone knows that hoosier is a nasty racist and no one around here likes him. There are a few that do, but they are mostly older alums of NIC fraternities. Pretty much every NPC member and younger NIC member can't deal with his crap (including breaking into fraternity houses!!). Personally I wish he'd get banned but because people delete his worst stuff he doesn't.

There are a lot of racist nasty fools on GC but please know that not all of us support that crap. As a_b said I too love to browse the forums of Delta Sigma Theta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Sigma Gamma Rho, and Zeta Phi Beta because they have the most variety and quality of topics. I don't post much because obviously I am not a member of those orgs but anyway, I have learned a lot about NPHC orgs on GC and I have tried to take that knowledge that I have back to my campus, which has no NPHCs. (Although I think that may soon be changing, we'll see! :D) Anyway I have gained a great respect for your organizations and the service that you do! I think that the NPC/NIC need to get in line with the service and lifetime dedication that you show!

Yeah, we're not equating the ignorance of some with the ignorance of all. But, there is an overall climate on GC that is persistent in the General Forums.

You don't have to be members of the NPHC, or any other BGLOs, to post in these forums. We welcome everyone, as long as folks don't come in here being condescending or patronizing. But, you know that already ;)

I'm glad you're learning from the NPHC, as most of us are learning a great deal about NPC and IFC from GC.

ChaosDST

10-06-2003, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by aurora_borealis
Perhaps we need to start up a new group...

I ota
L ambda
K appa

And as far as going into homes uninvited...I still don't like it. I have been attending COB events and I see the girls through the window, and I still KNOCK every single time. It isn't my home though I am made to feel extremely welcome there. I also knock on the fraternity homes as well, even though I know the doors are open. My family would slap me back to the days of butterfly collars if I just walked right up in uninvited.

:D

CrimsonTide4

10-06-2003, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by ChaosDST
Yeah, we're not equating the ignorance of some with the ignorance of all. But, there is an overall climate on GC that is persistent in the General Forums.

You don't have to be members of the NPHC, or any other BGLOs, to post in these forums. We welcome everyone, as long as folks don't come in here being condescending or patronizing. But, you know that already ;)

I'm glad you're learning from the NPHC, as most of us are learning a great deal about NPC and IFC from GC.

Co-sign.

We really do welcome all as long as you abide by the forum's policies.

For those who already post over here, I have not had any complaints about you posting here.

33girl

10-06-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Steeltrap
Maybe I'm reading a helluva lot more into this than I should, but basically I think he has the urge to refer to us as n*****s.
:mad:

I don't think you're reading into it...I think you're absolutely right.

cammykaze1920

12-07-2003, 10:42 AM

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31075

CrimsonTide4

12-07-2003, 10:58 AM

Truthfully, I don't care if the orgs had these clauses or if they still exist. . .WHY, because I am not a member. Hell for any of us who went to a PWI or non-HBCU, I am sure there were white only clauses at those institutions. Some of us might be living in homes with white only clauses, etc. etc.

Steeltrap

12-07-2003, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Truthfully, I don't care if the orgs had these clauses or if they still exist. . .WHY, because I am not a member. Hell for any of us who went to a PWI or non-HBCU, I am sure there were white only clauses at those institutions. Some of us might be living in homes with white only clauses, etc. etc.

Precisely. In terms of my home area, the southernmost two counties of California (O.C. and San Diego) aren't as progressive as the Bay Area when it comes to racial matters. Back in the early 1960s, before fair housing came into play on the national level, SoCal voters did pass restrictive covenant laws.

Although I have an idea of why that thread was alerted. It was a reasonable discussion, except for the occasional individual who hasn't got the message that it should stay out of such topics.

Sistermadly

12-07-2003, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Hell for any of us who went to a PWI or non-HBCU, I am sure there were white only clauses at those institutions. Some of us might be living in homes with white only clauses, etc. etc.

That was the point I was trying to make with my very first post in that thread. I mean, if you're going to get bent out of shape about that, stop paying taxes to the and/or refuse to take government subsidized student loans because the US government certainly had racist ideals built into its constitution at one time.

Come to think of it, not paying taxes isn't such a bad idea after all. ;)

RedefinedDiva

12-07-2003, 09:38 PM

It makes me no difference. I know that there were and still are places and orgs. that may not welcome me. They may grin and bear it because it's P.C., or they may just blatantly let it be known. Who cares? I don't want to be in their orgs. and I don't need their love or acceptance. It's a fact of life and it's 24 years too late to let them worry me.

Honeykiss1974

12-08-2003, 02:06 PM

The "Negro" part of the discussion was interesting, though.:o :D

Many its the Accountant in me, but I just don't consider 100 minorities out of 200,000 plus members "multi-ethnic" :rolleyes: It ain't adding up.

GeekyPenguin

12-08-2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
The "Negro" part of the discussion was interesting, though.:o :D

Many its the Accountant in me, but I just don't consider 100 minorities out of 200,000 plus members "multi-ethnic" :rolleyes: It ain't adding up.

I would agree. I wish people would stop skirting the issue...I'm starting to believe the org I started the post talking about had this clause LATE in the game - like up through the mid-1970s. I can't believe that. I'm confident that my traditionally white sorority had one at one point, which I don't like, but we got rid of it prior to 1960 for sure...I feel like they waited until somebody sued or something.

33girl

12-08-2003, 03:54 PM

I'm not sure if I stated this in the other thread but if you find OLD Baird's Manuals (like from the 20's - 30's - 40's) the racial and religious clauses are often stated outright.

lovelyivy84

12-08-2003, 04:21 PM

I dont really care so I haven't read the thread. It ain't news, lol.

MY concern is first and foremost Alpha Kappa Alpha and then the Divine Nine.

sugar and spice

12-09-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by 33girl
I'm not sure if I stated this in the other thread but if you find OLD Baird's Manuals (like from the 20's - 30's - 40's) the racial and religious clauses are often stated outright.

Really? My school library has an old copy of Baird's from the late 1940s, I think. Maybe I'll go do some research.

I don't understand why some people seem to be so desperate to point out that their historically white organization never had a written whites-only policy. Whether the policy was written or not, we all discriminated on some level, and most of it was pretty bad and supported -- if not required -- by HQ. And the possibility that some orgs might have had this policy well into the 1970s makes me sick.

On the other hand, I'm almost positive that my organization had a whites-only policy in place at one point in time, and given the national rep that my sorority has (conservative, very traditional, and historically very strong in the South) I wouldn't be surprised if we had that policy, written or not, until pretty late in the game too.

As sad as that makes me, I do think it's something we need to discuss and not gloss over and pretend didn't happen -- and unfortunately, a lot of NPC HQs like to pretend it never happened. That's why there's so little written documentation on which organizations had whites-only or no-blacks policies. And maybe that's a good thing, maybe they're so embarassed that we once had these policies that they want to obliterate the evidence. Or maybe it's just that they want to cover it up because they know that in some chapters the same things are still going on. Either way I think it's something that needs to be discussed so we can learn from it.