curious

[Monique]

That issuse with Kobe Bryant got me to thinking... What do you all think about whites joing black soror/frat. Cause I know a white Omega who married a white Delta. Just curious.

[babyyblue]

I was not aware you could do that. I wonder, did they have a hard time being accepted and respected in their organization?

[kaidi06]

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[Ghostface-Killah]

Oh!!!1 man, without sounding corny, I must say that sometimes people's habits, likes and dislikes make them black or white. I am close with this soror who happens to be Italian. The night I met her she was as mean as mean can be tome. After I crossed we became really close. It is the way they feel about themselves and your org. what is going to attract them to it. I really don't care. If I see youhave something to offer and can benefit from the org., YOU ARE IN. (OF COURSE AFTER...) HE HE!!!

[Ghostface-Killah]

ALSO: I don't know how many of youwent to Phily last year or to NYc step show. There are these few members of PHI BETA SIGAM Fraternity- THE SHOW WAS CRAZY HOT- They came out with masks- After they did their thing, the guys take off the mask and- like 2 or 3 or them were white. One I met in Phily and he was from South Carolina. The Sigmas I was with gave him crazy love. I guess it depends on the people and how the person carries him/herself.
Moral of the story is: DOES IT REALLY MATTER?

[Ghostface-Killah]

I AM SOOOO SORRY FOR THE TYPE-O:

PHI BETA SIGMA FRAT. that is
SORRY!!!!

[prettygyrl]

UMMMMMMMMMMMm...... I guess I better leave this one alone...............I will say this though one of the reasons BGLOS were founded for BLACK college students that needed someone else to identify with them(on white campuses) because they were not ALLOWED in white greek organizations adn because they were consantly harassed at white schools by other whites and made to feel like outcast. By joining a BGLO they gained acceptance amonst each other and it made their college life a little easier. Instead of going off completely into my feelings on this I will just pose a different ques. If you form an organization for BLACK people wouldn't it kind of defeat the purpose if you allow a WHITE person to join? Just a question?

[prettygyrl]

OH SORRY FOR THE TYPOS. I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGHT. WOULDN'T ALLOWING A WHITE PERSON JOIN AN ORGANIZATION CREATED FOE BLACK PEOPLE BE JUST LIKE ALLOWING A ZETA JOIN THE AKAS ALTHOUGH THAT ORG WAS CREATED SPECIFICALLY FOR THEM?

[Ghostface-Killah]

Pretty- FIRST THING FIRST- I AM NOT ATTACKING YOU~ but... comparing allowing a Zeta into AKA is not, in my opinion, the best of analogies- I mean- AKA was not make for AKA, it was made for Ladies who thought theyhad what it takes. You are not born one, YOU MUST EARN IT AND BECOME ONE- Of course I know the history that led to the formation of these orgs., yet, living in the past won't help at all. Hell yeah, I do allI cana to help fellow "minorities" - Hell yes maybe some of them might understand certain things but... I AM NOT WHAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDERE BLACK- In fact I wasn't even born in the US. You would never know this about me just by looking at me. Sooo, does this mean I am not Black? I am sure many of our founders formed our respective orgs. to uplift us and help the community, to make us closer to one another, but don't you think that we would be reapeting the same ignorant act by segretaing non-Blacks?
I mean, just my 22 cents.
HOlla back tell me what you think- Maybe you can chance or re-shape some of my ideas.
PEACE LADY!!!!!!!!!!
And remember- We have agreed to disagree, but not to disrespect each other- I LEARN THAT FROM YOU!!!!!!!! HE HE!! Later lady.

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
UMMMMMMMMMMMm...... I guess I better leave this one alone...............I will say this though one of the reasons BGLOS were founded for BLACK college students that needed someone else to identify with them(on white campuses) because they were not ALLOWED in white greek organizations adn because they were consantly harassed at white schools by other whites and made to feel like outcast. By joining a BGLO they gained acceptance amonst each other and it made their college life a little easier. Instead of going off completely into my feelings on this I will just pose a different ques. If you form an organization for BLACK people wouldn't it kind of defeat the purpose if you allow a WHITE person to join? Just a question?

No, it doesn't defeat the purpose. You don't have to be a specific color to uplift the African American Community. True enough it helps A LOT to have a similar historical bond, but it's not necessary.

Be aware that somewhere in the thousands on women that are AKAs, there are non-African American members...as a matter of fact, a very close Soror of mine watched a Caucasian AKA graduate from Texas Tech this year. There are Caucasian Deltas, I'm sure there are a few Caucasian Zetas and SGRho's too.

IF a Caucasian woman has the conviction to survive the heavy grilling she's likely to be subjected upon applying to a BLGO, especially seeing, as you said, we were founded to fill a need in our communities, AND she fulfills our other requirements, then I say more power to her.

As for Cutiepie2000's statement: "Yes, it is true that BGLO were founded because at one time, black students were not permitted to join what was then "white" fraternities and sororities. However, times are changing all the time."

The times have not changed all that much (true, we're not where we were, but we're not where we should be either), because there is still a dire NEED for the organizations founded for and by African Americans.


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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

[ZetaAce]

I have no problem with non African American members. As long as they work as hard for Zeta as all of the other members, than it is fine!

GFK>I am willing to bet you saw the 'Unknown' Sigmas step. And yes girl, they throw down!

[kaidi06]

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[12dn94dst]

LMAO!!! they are the bomb but they should change their show at least a little....i remember seeing that show in 1996 and it's still going strong!

Originally posted by kaidi06:
Yeah the "Unknowns" throw down... But when are they gonna throw down something NEW? If I see that damn "Back to the Motherland" and whipped cream piece again I'll go crazy! Anyway, don't mind me. I'm just hatin' cause I done lost to them cats like 5 times.



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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

[Jae]

Just curious...who are the "unknown Sigmas"?

[ZetaAce]

The Unknown Sigmas are a group of members of Phi Beta Sigma, who travel around the country and participate in various stepshows. Any money they win goes to charities/programs that PBS sanctions.

ZetaAce

[tickledpink]

PrettyGirl, I don't think that would be the scenario. Although originally (and I know someone has already said this) we could not join predominately white sororities and fraternities, we can now, if we choose to. And, there are those of us who do. Just as we don't expect them to discriminate against those of us that join GLOs, we shouldn't discriminate either. Everyone will have their own opinions on this, and there are those of us who will never agree on this issue, but I personally do not have a problem with non African Americans that join BGLOs.

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>>>"Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all."
Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised... Proverbs 31:29-30

[prettygyrl]

Well........everyone is titled to their own opinion. At my school there are no whites in any of the bglos on the yard. As I have stated in other post I am going to attempt my journey into greekland in the new school year. If I am honered with a selection I must say in all the years I live and serve the sorority I chose I would not EVER vote for a white girl to become a part of it. If I was to run into a white girl that was a member I would not say bad things to her or be ouright rude nor would i question her sisterhood or devotion to the sorority but at the same time I just would not feel the same love for her as I would with a black woman. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE AS I SAID BEFORE, I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO DEAL WITH them IF I DO NOT HAVE TO! i CHOOSE NOT TO FORM CLOSE ASSOCIATIONS WITH THEM(SUCH AS A BOYFRIEND) I know that Blacks join glos and hell i am sure some white people question that as i do. I mean if it is really okay for this to happen then why even bother with the distinction at all. Why not consider all of them as just glos. Why separate them and even call them bglos when there are white people in them? Why do they have separate councils Hence:PHC AND NPHC! I mean some preach the intergration of them yet they are still it most ways seprated in most things they do. What makes a white person want to join a bglo(or vice versa) in th efirst place? (as opposed to a glo) What happens to the bglos when white people begin to join in large numbers? What happens if there are more of them than of you? What happens when they begin to hold offices such as president? Wouldn't that change the way they are run? It can happen! I know that the founders of the bglos never intended for a White person to join their orgs. much less be president. This is possible if they continue to join. I mean some things are best left as is every part of our lives does not have to be intergrated. What can we have that is our own anymore? Is intergration really better? Or is just the things we now have access to that is better? Imagine if we were segregated completely from white people again except we had all the things they had still (good jobs and schools etc.) How many of you would really want to go and be with them. I beleive that it is not white people we want to be closer to it is access to a equal chance at life period! Since WE still do not have that at all why is everyone so okay with them having access to the few things we started for ourselves. It is not racism for us to want to keep the few things we have to just us it is just pride and the good feeling of us having something of our own. TO ANY WHITE PERSON WHO READS THIS AND SAYS WELL IF WE WANTED TO KEEP CERTAIN THINGS TO OURSELVES WE WOULD BE CALLED RACIST...........I SAY TO ME THAT IS NOT TRUE! I could give a dam careless if white people did not want me to join their org.! We had to go through so much to gain memebership into their glos(and everyhthing else they controlled) why are we always so dam accepting of them in our shit? These are just my feelings. I will never change the way I feel about topics such as this no matter what anyone says. I am not trying to change anyone else feeling s either. I have always felt this way and my feelings have only grown stronger as I have grown up in this world! To Ghostface: I do not know what your nationality is but there are so amny other minorities who have and are suffering at the hands of white people. The ques. was asked about white people. My feelings are exspressed about them. You say you are not black but that does not mean you are white. There was a comment made about Jewish people and also and Italian. With all due respect to those nationalties in most situations today WHITE IS WHITE!!!!!!!! Much love to all my people of color! REMEMBER "OLD HABITS NEVER DIE"

[prettygyrl]

sorry for the typos , but it is late as hell!

[theXgirl]

"Free your mind, and the rest will follow.
Be color blind, don't be so shallow."

En Vouge

[Greek]

Prettygyrl-
I really hope the sorors at your school know the way you truly are. You are not even a member of a sorority and yet you have already decided who you will let in? That is truly shallow and NOT what the greek community stands for. You really need to grow up and learn to accept people. I'm sure you are going to go into sorority recruitment hoping to be accepted by a sorority that you will fit into. What if the sorors have already decided that they don't like you based on your skin shade, or choice in roommates or some other stupid basis? You would be pretty mad that they judged you before meeting you. Your type of attitude is not needed in a greek organization. I hope that you don't treat people in person the way you talk about them on an anonymous chat board.

[cold1one]

My sands is white....he was the rock of our line back in 97.

[cold1one]

I agree with the whole shallow bit. How dare you criticize who will and who will not be picked up? You dont need to be picked up thwe way your mindset is. How are you going to handle the pressure of being in a greek lettered organization when you dont have the open mindset about skin color....If i was the vote committee..you will get the rock. Oh yeah, the rock is something that we in the organizations give to people who display immarturity, disrespect, or any other bull that will hender the progress of our people.

[CrimsonAmbitions]

Prettygyrl

I agree with you 100%.

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
Well........everyone is titled to their own opinion. At my school there are no whites in any of the bglos on the yard. As I have stated in other post I am going to attempt my journey into greekland in the new school year. If I am honered with a selection I must say in all the years I live and serve the sorority I chose I would not EVER vote for a white girl to become a part of it. If I was to run into a white girl that was a member I would not say bad things to her or be ouright rude nor would i question her sisterhood or devotion to the sorority but at the same time I just would not feel the same love for her as I would with a black woman. I DO NOT HATE WHITE PEOPLE AS I SAID BEFORE, I JUST CHOOSE NOT TO DEAL WITH them IF I DO NOT HAVE TO! i CHOOSE NOT TO FORM CLOSE ASSOCIATIONS WITH THEM(SUCH AS A BOYFRIEND) I know that Blacks join glos and hell i am sure some white people question that as i do. I mean if it is really okay for this to happen then why even bother with the distinction at all. Why not consider all of them as just glos. Why separate them and even call them bglos when there are white people in them? Why do they have separate councils Hence:PHC AND NPHC! I mean some preach the intergration of them yet they are still it most ways seprated in most things they do. What makes a white person want to join a bglo(or vice versa) in th efirst place? (as opposed to a glo) What happens to the bglos when white people begin to join in large numbers? What happens if there are more of them than of you? What happens when they begin to hold offices such as president? Wouldn't that change the way they are run? It can happen! I know that the founders of the bglos never intended for a White person to join their orgs. much less be president. This is possible if they continue to join. I mean some things are best left as is every part of our lives does not have to be intergrated. What can we have that is our own anymore? Is intergration really better? Or is just the things we now have access to that is better? Imagine if we were segregated completely from white people again except we had all the things they had still (good jobs and schools etc.) How many of you would really want to go and be with them. I beleive that it is not white people we want to be closer to it is access to a equal chance at life period! Since WE still do not have that at all why is everyone so okay with them having access to the few things we started for ourselves. It is not racism for us to want to keep the few things we have to just us it is just pride and the good feeling of us having something of our own. TO ANY WHITE PERSON WHO READS THIS AND SAYS WELL IF WE WANTED TO KEEP CERTAIN THINGS TO OURSELVES WE WOULD BE CALLED RACIST...........I SAY TO ME THAT IS NOT TRUE! I could give a dam careless if white people did not want me to join their org.! We had to go through so much to gain memebership into their glos(and everyhthing else they controlled) why are we always so dam accepting of them in our shit? These are just my feelings. I will never change the way I feel about topics such as this no matter what anyone says. I am not trying to change anyone else feeling s either. I have always felt this way and my feelings have only grown stronger as I have grown up in this world! To Ghostface: I do not know what your nationality is but there are so amny other minorities who have and are suffering at the hands of white people. The ques. was asked about white people. My feelings are exspressed about them. You say you are not black but that does not mean you are white. There was a comment made about Jewish people and also and Italian. With all due respect to those nationalties in most situations today WHITE IS WHITE!!!!!!!! Much love to all my people of color! REMEMBER "OLD HABITS NEVER DIE"

[1Babygirl2000]

I personally don't have a problem with non-African Americans joining BGLOs. I feel that as long as they understand that one of purposes of the organizations being founded was/is for the upliftment of the African American society as a whole. I feel that if they can truly say that they want to be a part of that, then why not. That's just my $19.13! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[prettygyrl]

Thanks Crimson Ambitions I love it when people understand whats real. As far as the other comments. SHALLOW is what you all are for buying into that everyone is treated equal bullshit!!! True Alot of Black people may feel that it should be that way but we are not the deciding factors "they" are!!!!! Just because some of them treat ya nice does not mean they feel they are your equal! Anyway as I have said MANY times before I speak my mind so by all means everyone speal yours say what you will about me I just feel bad for ya when the truth hits ya in the face!! As far as me not getting accepted into the BLACK soroity that i want to go in because of the color of my skin ummmmmmm I am not worried about that cause ya know I am BLACK. In the sorority I want to join trust me on my campus they all feel the way i do about this topic because we have discussed it many times before!!!!!!

[blu_theatrics]

Like I said on a post earlier, my rock is not black and she still love and respects my org as much as anyone (if not more). I do understand the fact that we don't want to loose the foundation of our org. but we have to realize that there are people who are not black who still love what we stand for.

[Poplife]

I have a quick question for MEMBERS of the fabulous four sororities of the NPHC.

With the exception of Sigma Gamma Rho, all the sororities were founded at Howard University, a historically black college. I understand that we could not join white sororities at the time, but the whole theory about us never being excepted into these existing sororities makes me wonder because there were no whites on that particular campus to reject them. I thought they were founded to assist in the betterment of black people and for ladies with a common interest to get together. Maybe it's a combination of both inability and the realization of the need for change?

Please inform me.



[This message has been edited by Poplife (edited June 05, 2000).]

[DiSTinguished]

To Prettygyrl:

You mentioned that if you were in a historically black greek letter organization, you would never vote for a "white" person......I am curious to know how you would feel if you had a line sister that was "white"? You have no choice in who your line sisters are. Secondly, you say that you know how the members on your campus feel because you have talked with all of them...but remeember a chapter is simply that, a chapter, it is not the entire sorority. Let me tell you that if you do join an NPHC sorority, NO MATTER WHICH ONE, you WILL have "white" Sorors. On that note I would seriously reconsider wanting to join one because how could you join an organization with which you disagree with their policies and don't like some of their current members? Finally, the democratic process is how things are run in most sororities, so just because you vote "no" doesn't mean that everyone else will......as it seems on this discussion, your opinion on this matter is not the majority......I did notice that one of your supporters is CrimsonAmbitions...I will assume that you are interested in my sorority, in that case I would rethink my decision because Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. does not decide upon its members by the color of their skin.....please read up on your history, in particular the contributions of Soror Mary Church Terrell. Finally, I will tell you that no I am not white and no I am not black. My chapter recently had its 25th anniversary and I met many of my Sorors including founders....let me tell you that my line made history in my chapter, it was the first time we crossed someone that was not black. And let me tell you, it is definately a history that we are proud of...look forward to your replies

[blu_theatrics]

That was absolutely well said.
I whole-heartedly agree
Originally posted by DiSTinguished:
To Prettygyrl:

You mentioned that if you were in a historically black greek letter organization, you would never vote for a "white" person......I am curious to know how you would feel if you had a line sister that was "white"? You have no choice in who your line sisters are. Secondly, you say that you know how the members on your campus feel because you have talked with all of them...but remeember a chapter is simply that, a chapter, it is not the entire sorority. Let me tell you that if you do join an NPHC sorority, NO MATTER WHICH ONE, you WILL have "white" Sorors. On that note I would seriously reconsider wanting to join one because how could you join an organization with which you disagree with their policies and don't like some of their current members? Finally, the democratic process is how things are run in most sororities, so just because you vote "no" doesn't mean that everyone else will......as it seems on this discussion, your opinion on this matter is not the majority......I did notice that one of your supporters is CrimsonAmbitions...I will assume that you are interested in my sorority, in that case I would rethink my decision because Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. does not decide upon its members by the color of their skin.....please read up on your history, in particular the contributions of Soror Mary Church Terrell. Finally, I will tell you that no I am not white and no I am not black. My chapter recently had its 25th anniversary and I met many of my Sorors including founders....let me tell you that my line made history in my chapter, it was the first time we crossed someone that was not black. And let me tell you, it is definately a history that we are proud of...look forward to your replies

[12dn94dst]

Originally posted by Poplife:
I have a quick question for MEMBERS of the fabulous four sororities of the NPHC.

With the exception of Sigma Gamma Rho, all the sororities were founded at Howard University, a historically black college. I understand that we could not join white sororities at the time, but the whole theory about us never being excepted into these existing sororities makes no sense because there were no whites on that particular campus to reject them. I thought they were founded to assist in the betterment of black people and for ladies with a common interest to get together. Maybe it's a combination of both inability and the realization of the need for change?

Please inform me.

Why doesn't the idea of our (AKA, DST and Zeta) Founders wanting a Sorority for us make sense to you? Think about the times. The Civil War had ended only 43 years before the founding of AKA. It was rare to find an African-American Woman pursuing a college education. It was even more rare for women to earn their degrees as many had to leave to take care of newly acquired husbands and families. We may not have been founded expressly because we could not hold memberships in established sororities, but I'm sure they knew the day we would was a long time coming. Our Founders were VISONARY in that and may other respects. It was NECESSARY because our Founders, God Bless their legacy, knew they wanted their vision to grow BEYOND Howard and on to predominantly Caucasian colleges & universities, and as we stand now, the world.



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Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

[RedAngel]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12dn94dst:
I've followed this discussion and its very interesting. I agree with what my soror 12dndst said. I think Poplife question was if there was if there are African American sororities on campus why weren't we accepted into them. People were accepted into African-American Sororities that were founded at Howard (AKA, DST and Zeta). Each group formed because their founders (AKA, DST, and Zeta) had a common vision which is the betterment of African-American communities but a different emphasis or programs to get there.

[prettygyrl]

YOU ASKED HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS ONLINE WITH A WHITE GIRL? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT AT MY SCHOOL. BELEIVE IT OR NOT WE ALL GET ALONG BUT WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HAPPILY SEGREGATED! YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WHITE WOMEN IN MY SORORITY OF CHOICE! IF I MAKE IT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT ONE GREEK ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT IS...........EVERY FRIEND IS NOT A SOROR AND EVERY SOROR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!! OK

[DiSTinguished]

Prettygyrl:
I have been reading many of your posts and you sure have a lot to say about greek life and how you are going to be if you become greek. I find it very interesting that you are so sure of how it will be. As is the name of this topic, I have become Curious to know which school you attend. Anyhow, I too had been told the same thing about "Every friend is not your Soror and every Soror is not your friend"; however, I took that as one Sorors words to me and digested them for myself and came away with my own meaning. (I think this is important in being an independent thinker). Since I am a great fan of logic, here is my argument. I agree with the first part of the statement that not every friend will be my Soror, for example my husband will never be my Soror just as none of my male friends will be, same goes for my mother or any childhood friends I have who joined other organizations (you get my point). However the second statement is not so clearcut in its interpretation. "Every Soror is not my friend" can be a true fact because I do not know all of my Sorors; therefore, they cannot all be my friends. Of course, this leads to a discussion about friendship that I will not go into. However, since you used this quote as an answer to my question of having "white" Sorors, I know that you did not interpret this statement quite so literally. Therefore, let me address it the way you meant for me to address it. "Every Soror is not your Friend" is an ATTITUDE. It can be a defensive attitude or an offensive attitude. I choose to have this attitude in a defensive way. By this I mean that I do not meet a Soror and right away she is my friend. It takes time for that relationship to develop. I think this advice was given to me by my Soror because she had been disappointed by her idealism. However, I know that she did not tell me this in order to for me to discriminate against other Sorors, rather she and I both welcome the opportunity to get to know new Sorors.
It seems to me that you have chosen to adopt
this attitude in an offensive way, by this I mean determining in advance that there are some people that are not worthy of being your frined and are only your "Soror" in name or in public. Your reason for not feeling the person worthy of your friendship is because she is "white". Considering your strong anti-hazing stance, how would you feel if a Soror didn't feel you were worthy of her friendship because you were "paper".
There are some who choose to adopt this attitude toward their Sorors for a number of reasons: they are "white", they are "paper", they pledged "Alumnae Chapter", they didn't pledge at an "HBCU", they didn't pledge at "Howard", they didn't pledge in my "Region" etc....The list goes on and on.
Again, I am quite intrigued to the extent of your relationship with the members of your sorority of choice at your school. They seem to discuss a lot of things with you. One more question......do you feel the same way about all non-black people or just white people? Again, I look forward to your response.


Originally posted by prettygyrl:
YOU ASKED HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS ONLINE WITH A WHITE GIRL? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT AT MY SCHOOL. BELEIVE IT OR NOT WE ALL GET ALONG BUT WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HAPPILY SEGREGATED! YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WHITE WOMEN IN MY SORORITY OF CHOICE! IF I MAKE IT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT ONE GREEK ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT IS...........EVERY FRIEND IS NOT A SOROR AND EVERY SOROR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!! OK

[prettygyrl]

Actually distinguished I do not claim to know what "greek life" would be like. I speak of how "I" would conduct myself if I am honored with the chance to become greek. I can only control my actions. Alot of people who read my post take it the way they want to instead of the way it is. At the same time I am greatful for those who understand what I am saying. Some people insist on wanting to make what I say out to be a "i hate white people" type of deal! I have never said that! BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL RELATONSHIPS AMONG BLACKS AND WHITES! I HAVE SAID THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE A APART OF AN BGLO! I DO NOT HAVE TO BE "GREEK" TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT "GREEKS". SO YOU CAN STOP BEGINNING TOUR POST WITH "FOR YOU NOT TO BE GREEK" OKAY! I KNOW I AM NOT GREEK AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. I STILL LOVE THE BGLOS. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR AND WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US! YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME GREEK ORGS OUT THERE THAT ARE RACIALLY MIXED ACROSS THE BOARD! AND HEY THAS COOL! BUT THERE ARE SOME "WHITE" GREEK ORGS WHO HAVE NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM OR JUST A FEW BLACKS! I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ALOT OF THEM LIKE THEIR ORGS TO REMAIN AS WHITE AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THEY LET BLACKS IN IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAID THEY HAD TO! IN ALL ACUALITY THAT IS THE ONLY REASON BGLOS DID IT! I MEAN BE REAL WITH YOURSELF, IF THE LAW DID NOT MANDATE THE SEGREGATION OF THESE ORGS DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE! IF THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEGREGATED I AM SURE THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUCNTION JUST FINE! BECAUSE SEGRAGATION IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER, IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT WORKKOUT IN SOME INSTANCES! IF YOUR A WHITE PERSON OR A BLACK PERSON ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS AND THERE ARE BLGOS AND GLOS ON CAMPUS AND THE BLACK PERSON JOINS A WHITE GREEK ORG. AND THE WHITE PERSON A BLACK ORG. I HAVE TO WONDER WHY? WHY WOULD A WHITE PERSON PLEDGE A BGLO AS OPPOSED TO A WHITE ONE. DOES THAT PERSON REALLY FEEL AS IF THEY IDENTIFY MORE WITH BLACK PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO WHITE? THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS! I MEAN PEOPLE CAN COME IN THESE FORUMS AND SAY THEY FEEL THIS WAY OR THAT WAY ALL DAY LONG BUT I BET THAT MEMBERS OF BGLOS WHO SEE BLACKS IN THE OPPOSTIE ORG WHEN THEY HAD THE CHOICE, WONDER WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT? I MEAN WHAT IS THE REAL MEANING BEHIND IT? NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ASSOCIATION AMONGST THE TWO RACES BUT, WHAT WAS RIGHT ABOUT A WHITE ORG TO A BLACK PERSON AS OPPOSED TO A BGLO? AND VICE VERSA! YOU CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A WHITE PERSON YOUR WHOLE LIFE! WHETHER IT IS IN A RICH NEIGHBOR HOOD OR A POOR ONE. YALL COULD EVEN BE FRIENDS ALL YOUR LIFE BUT AS YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU STILL IDENTIFY WITH YOUR PEOPLE MORE AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG HANG OUT AND EVEN CALL THEMSELVES FRIENDS WITHOUT ONE ATTEMPTING TO SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THE OTHERS CULTURE. ARE YA FEELING ME YET? SHALL I BREAK IT DOWN MORE! A WHITE GIRL AND I COULD BE FRIENDS WITHOUT HER DATING BLACK GUYS OR ME DATING WHITE GUYS OR ME JOINING AN WHITE ORG OR HER JOINING A BLACK ONE. THAT IS WHERE INTERGRATION BECOMES A PROBLEM! THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT BY SEGRGATION IS SOMETIMES BETTER! FOR ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT ME HATING THEM OR THEM HATING ME! IT IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT TRYING TO IMITATE THE OTHER! AS I SAID BEFORE I HAVE WHITE GIRLS THAT I AM COOL WITH AND EVEN SOME IN MY FAMILY! BUT THEY ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS! I DO NOT BITE MY TONGUE! MY BROTHER IS WITH A WHITE GIRL, I TALK TO HER, GO OUT WITH HER, AND EVERYTHING! SHE KNOWS I DO NOT LIKE INTERRACIAL DATING AND SO DOES HE! BUT I CAN NOT CHOOSE HIS LOVE LIFE FOR HIM AND I AM NOT IGNORANT TO WHERE I WOULD EVER DISOWN HIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! I POST IN THIS FORUM AND EXSPRESS MY FEELINGS AS I EXSPRESS THEM TO PEOPLE I SEE EVERDAY. STILL THEY WILL CHOOSE THEIR PATH AND I MINE! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY BROTHER IS NOT UP ON HIS HISTORY NOR IS SHE AND IF THEY CAN GO THROUGH LIFE THAT WAY THEN THAT IS A DECISION THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH. WOULD I HAVE RATHER MY BROTHER BE WITH A BLACK WOMAN HELL YEA! IS HE, HELL NO! AND LIFE GOES THE FUCK ON! I WILL NEVER DATE A WHITE MAN NOR WILL I EVER FEEL LIKE A WHITE PERSON SHOULD BE A PART OF THE BGLOS(OR VICE VERSA)! IF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE THEN THAT IS YOU. IF I CROSS INTO MY SORORITY OF CHOICE AND COME ACROSS A WHITE SOROR, I CAN'T LOVE HER LIKE MY SISTER AND NO ONE CAN MANDATE THAT I DO! AND IF YOU ARE GREEK OR FOR WHO EVER IS GREEK AND MAY COME ACROSS WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGS AND YOU EMBRACE THEM WITH LOVE THEN I CAN NOT MANDATE THAT YOU DON'T! WE LIVE AND WE LEARN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO HOPE AND PRAY THAT EVERYONE LEARNS. IF A BLACK PERSON CAN LOVE A WHITE PERSON WITH THE SAME DEEP LOVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE FOR ME THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH YOU REALLY LOVE ME?

[AlphaChiGirl]

Prettygyrl,
There seems to be a good bit of anger in your posts, especially your most recent one. FYI, GLOs became integrated (if only on a chapter basis) before BGLO's did...if I'm not mistaken, didn't a black woman pledge Sigma Kappa during the 1940's? I understand that you're not greek, and I was speaking from a position similar to yours recently, but there seems to be a lot of anger in your posts, especially those regarding interracial relationships. You may not approve of them, and you may not approve of whites or non-blacks joining BGLO's, but this has been going on since before your time, and it will be going on after your time. Also, how are you so sure that you won't have a non-black line sister? Even if you are planning on attending an HBCU, I know plenty of non-black members of Greek organizations, who pledged at HBCU's. Also, just because a person pledges an organization with which you do not agree doesn't mean they want to be black. It just means (in my case, at least), that they did the research, understood their campus climate, and decided the sorority/fraternity in which he/she felt the most comfortable, and would be able to make the most impact. It's really not in your best interest to criticize people who do pledge BGLO's (or don't), or those who choose to follow their hearts in an interracial relationship. Good luck with your first year of college.


Originally posted by prettygyrl:
Actually distinguished I do not claim to know what "greek life" would be like. I speak of how "I" would conduct myself if I am honored with the chance to become greek. I can only control my actions. Alot of people who read my post take it the way they want to instead of the way it is. At the same time I am greatful for those who understand what I am saying. Some people insist on wanting to make what I say out to be a "i hate white people" type of deal! I have never said that! BASICALLY WHAT I HAVE SAID IS THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL RELATONSHIPS AMONG BLACKS AND WHITES! I HAVE SAID THAT I DO NOT BELEIVE THAT WHITE PEOPLE SHOULD BE A APART OF AN BGLO! I DO NOT HAVE TO BE "GREEK" TO HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT "GREEKS". SO YOU CAN STOP BEGINNING TOUR POST WITH "FOR YOU NOT TO BE GREEK" OKAY! I KNOW I AM NOT GREEK AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE SO WHAT IS YOUR POINT. I STILL LOVE THE BGLOS. I LOVE WHAT THEY STAND FOR AND WHAT THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US! YOU KNOW THERE ARE SOME GREEK ORGS OUT THERE THAT ARE RACIALLY MIXED ACROSS THE BOARD! AND HEY THAS COOL! BUT THERE ARE SOME "WHITE" GREEK ORGS WHO HAVE NOTHING BUT WHITE PEOPLE IN THEM OR JUST A FEW BLACKS! I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ALOT OF THEM LIKE THEIR ORGS TO REMAIN AS WHITE AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN THE ONLY REASON THEY LET BLACKS IN IN THE FIRST PLACE IS BECAUSE THE LAW SAID THEY HAD TO! IN ALL ACUALITY THAT IS THE ONLY REASON BGLOS DID IT! I MEAN BE REAL WITH YOURSELF, IF THE LAW DID NOT MANDATE THE SEGREGATION OF THESE ORGS DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD BE! IF THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEGREGATED I AM SURE THE WORLD WOULD CONTINUE TO FUCNTION JUST FINE! BECAUSE SEGRAGATION IS NOT ALWAYS BETTER, IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT WORKKOUT IN SOME INSTANCES! IF YOUR A WHITE PERSON OR A BLACK PERSON ON A COLLEGE CAMPUS AND THERE ARE BLGOS AND GLOS ON CAMPUS AND THE BLACK PERSON JOINS A WHITE GREEK ORG. AND THE WHITE PERSON A BLACK ORG. I HAVE TO WONDER WHY? WHY WOULD A WHITE PERSON PLEDGE A BGLO AS OPPOSED TO A WHITE ONE. DOES THAT PERSON REALLY FEEL AS IF THEY IDENTIFY MORE WITH BLACK PEOPLE AS OPPOSED TO WHITE? THIS WORKS BOTH WAYS! I MEAN PEOPLE CAN COME IN THESE FORUMS AND SAY THEY FEEL THIS WAY OR THAT WAY ALL DAY LONG BUT I BET THAT MEMBERS OF BGLOS WHO SEE BLACKS IN THE OPPOSTIE ORG WHEN THEY HAD THE CHOICE, WONDER WHAT WAS UP WITH THAT? I MEAN WHAT IS THE REAL MEANING BEHIND IT? NOT THAT THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WITH ASSOCIATION AMONGST THE TWO RACES BUT, WHAT WAS RIGHT ABOUT A WHITE ORG TO A BLACK PERSON AS OPPOSED TO A BGLO? AND VICE VERSA! YOU CAN LIVE NEXT DOOR TO A WHITE PERSON YOUR WHOLE LIFE! WHETHER IT IS IN A RICH NEIGHBOR HOOD OR A POOR ONE. YALL COULD EVEN BE FRIENDS ALL YOUR LIFE BUT AS YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE THAT YOU STILL IDENTIFY WITH YOUR PEOPLE MORE AND IT GOES BOTH WAYS! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BLACK PEOPLE AND WHITE PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG HANG OUT AND EVEN CALL THEMSELVES FRIENDS WITHOUT ONE ATTEMPTING TO SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THE OTHERS CULTURE. ARE YA FEELING ME YET? SHALL I BREAK IT DOWN MORE! A WHITE GIRL AND I COULD BE FRIENDS WITHOUT HER DATING BLACK GUYS OR ME DATING WHITE GUYS OR ME JOINING AN WHITE ORG OR HER JOINING A BLACK ONE. THAT IS WHERE INTERGRATION BECOMES A PROBLEM! THAT IS WHAT IS MEANT BY SEGRGATION IS SOMETIMES BETTER! FOR ME, IT IS NOT ABOUT ME HATING THEM OR THEM HATING ME! IT IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH EACH OTHER WITHOUT TRYING TO IMITATE THE OTHER! AS I SAID BEFORE I HAVE WHITE GIRLS THAT I AM COOL WITH AND EVEN SOME IN MY FAMILY! BUT THEY ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS! I DO NOT BITE MY TONGUE! MY BROTHER IS WITH A WHITE GIRL, I TALK TO HER, GO OUT WITH HER, AND EVERYTHING! SHE KNOWS I DO NOT LIKE INTERRACIAL DATING AND SO DOES HE! BUT I CAN NOT CHOOSE HIS LOVE LIFE FOR HIM AND I AM NOT IGNORANT TO WHERE I WOULD EVER DISOWN HIM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT! I POST IN THIS FORUM AND EXSPRESS MY FEELINGS AS I EXSPRESS THEM TO PEOPLE I SEE EVERDAY. STILL THEY WILL CHOOSE THEIR PATH AND I MINE! I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT MY BROTHER IS NOT UP ON HIS HISTORY NOR IS SHE AND IF THEY CAN GO THROUGH LIFE THAT WAY THEN THAT IS A DECISION THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH. WOULD I HAVE RATHER MY BROTHER BE WITH A BLACK WOMAN HELL YEA! IS HE, HELL NO! AND LIFE GOES THE FUCK ON! I WILL NEVER DATE A WHITE MAN NOR WILL I EVER FEEL LIKE A WHITE PERSON SHOULD BE A PART OF THE BGLOS(OR VICE VERSA)! IF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE THEN THAT IS YOU. IF I CROSS INTO MY SORORITY OF CHOICE AND COME ACROSS A WHITE SOROR, I CAN'T LOVE HER LIKE MY SISTER AND NO ONE CAN MANDATE THAT I DO! AND IF YOU ARE GREEK OR FOR WHO EVER IS GREEK AND MAY COME ACROSS WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGS AND YOU EMBRACE THEM WITH LOVE THEN I CAN NOT MANDATE THAT YOU DON'T! WE LIVE AND WE LEARN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO HOPE AND PRAY THAT EVERYONE LEARNS. IF A BLACK PERSON CAN LOVE A WHITE PERSON WITH THE SAME DEEP LOVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE FOR ME THEN I HAVE TO QUESTION JUST HOW MUCH YOU REALLY LOVE ME?

[elboogie]

Well, prettygirl, since you are so strong in your beliefs about whites in BGLO's, i will not try to change your mind. But, I do have a question. I am biracial (black and white), a product of an interracial couple. SInce you disagree with interracial mixing, do you disagree with biracial people joining a BGLO, because i plan to. And if you say yes, what makes this any different? Your mind is filled with much arrogance and ignorance. I think that when you discuss interacial mixing as a bad thing, you go very deep and insulting to people of all cultural decents. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was some white blood in you somewhere. Now, whats your reply? I look forward to it.

[Ghostface-Killah]

PRETTYGIRL!!!
Sorry ou feel some of my fellow greeks attack you but, many times it is the way you say things and not what you say. As a member of a BGLO, I have totell you that it has turned to be an experience. I am fascinated with the mixture of my org. My dean was Puerto Rican, My ADP Dominican and the of the Sorors in the chapter African Americans. We had nooo type of beef and when there was it was not over race nor color. If you see me, you would never guess I am not "BLACK" Damn baby girl!!!! just think, what if youget to college and half of the ladies in the org. you want to join are not BLACK? How you feel if they decided you are not "something enough (pretty, smart, hard working, or whatever) even before you get to show what youhave to offer? I would never try to change you ideas, but I would try to educate you and allow youtomake your choice. Why is it wrong for Rocker (the baseball player) to express himself the way he does, but it is ok for us minority? WE cannot expect a change if we don't start it ourselves.
WE HAVE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!STOP LICKING AT THE SKIN. MOST PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO OFFER THAN A DARK, FAIR, or WHITE skin color.
FREE YOUR MIND.... Great things are to come to you. Have you ever wonder of all the interesting people we don't allow ourselves get to know because of their color?

[prettygyrl]

Alpha Chi Girl um everything you said I have responded to over and over again! In different forums and this one. oh yea and I AM not angry at all are you?............elboogie my response to you is that i half expect you to defend intteracial anything cause thats what you are! SO YOU MUST UNDERSTAND WHY I FEEL SO DEEP ABOUT MY RACE CAUSE THAT IS WHAT I AM!I do have a friend though that is mixed her mother is white. She has lived he whole life with her white mother and SHE hates to see a Black man with a white woman. oh and there is NO white in me! I have traced my family history dear so if I missed something then it is way down the line somewhere! Even if it is some I had no control over that, I am sure that most Black people have some white traces in them after all THE SLAVE MASTERS DID RAPE THE BLACK WOMEN NOW DIDN'T THEY? THAT IS HOW IT STARTED ANYWAY RIGHT! I REALLY DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU CALLING ME IGNORANT CAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW SHIT ABOUT ME! IF YOU CAN NOT DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT MY VIEWS ARE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS THEN I GUESS YOU ARE THE IGNORANT ONE! GHOSTFACE.......I am cool I do not really care if someone call themselves being hard on me I really do not care what they think! Unfortunately SOME STILL MISUNDERSTAND AND KEEP SAYING THAT I AM ANGRY OR I HATE WHITE PEOPLE ETC. ETC. SO I WILL CLOSE OUT OF THIS ONE AS WELL SAYING......THAT I AM VERY CONTENT ACTUALLY BUT I DO GET A LITTLE UPSET SOMETIMES WHEN I COME ACROSS CERTAIN SITUATIONS BUT FOR THE MOST PART I AM HAPPY! YALL THE ONE GETTING ANGRY. MY FEELINGS ARE AUTHENTIC. NO ONE CAN SHAKE THEM OR CHANGE THEM. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS DISCUSSING THESE THINGS WITH ANYONE FACE TO FACE NO MATTER WHAT RACE! IN THE CLASSROOM I EXSPRESS THEM. ON MY JOB I EXSPRESS THEM!SO COMING HERE AND EXSPRESSING THEM IS NO PROBLEM! I JUST FEEL THAT NOW IT IS SAID AND DONE WITH. FOR ME ANYWAY. I MEAN WE HAVE HAD THREE DIFFERENT FORUMS ON THIS STUFF. THEY ALL GETTING THE SAME RESPONSES IT IS VERY REDUNDANT! I AM NOT ANGRY WITH ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME. NO ONE SHOULD BE ANGRY WITH ME! I MEAN DAM WE ARE ALL FACELESS PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM SO WHY GET UPSET! I ADMIT I DID NOT LIKE IT WHEN THAT GIRL CALLED ME IGNORANT BUT SINCE I DO NOT KNOW HER WHY EVEN SWEAT IT? I HAVE ENJOYED MY TIME IN THESE PARTICULAR FORUMS I LEARNED A FEW THINGS. IN READING MOST OF THE RESPONSES TO ME, I LEARNED THAT MY BELIEFS ARE STILL FOR ME AND MOST PEOPLE IN HERE JUST HELPED ME BELEIVE IN THEM MORE. SO I GUESS I WILL SEE SOME OF YOU IN A NEW FORUM!

[greek]

like i've said previously---prettygyrl-go get a life or a job or something. you are as ignorant as they come.

[mgdzkm433]

In prettygyrl's defense. . .

I am a white woman, an alum of a "white" sorority, but that is MY prefrence. This is all about opinions and prefrences people. If Prettygyrl has her opinions, that is FINE. Nobody said you had to agree with her. The reason I am commenting on this, I scan these forums and from what I've seen, every post is directed toward prettygyrl, and frankly, not all of them are so nice. I have stated my comments before, and if you have read what I have written, then you know that I don't agree with prettygyrl's statements. HOWEVER--I do respect her will and her mind. It goes for both sides of the argument, it is time to start being respectful. If you can't have a decent conversation and respect other's opinions, then you shouldn't be posting. Prettygyrl has a right to her own opinion--as does everyone. Treat each other with the respect that you would like for yourself.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited June 12, 2000).]

[cash78mere]

Miss Moderator-

I agree wholeheartedly about respecting other people and not attacking other people. But what i don't agree with is that when prettygyrl states her opinion--which is usually, if not always against white people--we need to expect that people will get upset. If we can't write negative comments directly to her, or ANYONE else for that matter, she should not be allowed to write negative comments about white people. I take the things that are said very personally and probably many other people do too. Whenever prettygyrl says something, everyone tells her to "keep speaking her mind" and "keep telling it the way she sees it" since it is her opinion. We can't have this double standard. It is not right that every time we come to read this board, we have to read a page long description of all the "bad" things that white people have done in the past. But then when we reply about how offended we are or try to educate the obviously uneducated, we get told not to attack.

Everyone has a right to their opinion, but they also have the right to have that opinion disputed. But I cannot sit here and read the post that prettygyrl wrote about a neglectful black mother being the only right mother for a child simply because the adopted, *loving* family is white without getting extermely mad. That is disgusting and something needs to be said. This type of post should NOT BE ENCOURAGED.

Miss Moderator, I am only asking that everyone be treated on an equal field. People should be allowed to their opinion, but when that opinion gets out of hand, it should not be tolerated. And the curses in the posts are NOT appropriate.

Thank you for listening, I hope you understand my point.

[mgdzkm433]

Cash,

I also think that the respect should be on the part of both sides that is why I said:

"It goes for both sides of the argument, it is time to start being respectful."

I too disagree with what prettygyrl says, but I am respectful and tolerant and watch what I say. I do think Prettygyrl could stand to clean up her responses a bit (this is why I said that it goes for both sides), however from what I have witnessed, most of the attacking is coming from the people angry at what pretty gyrl has to say. I too find a lot of what she has to say offensive, but what she has to say stems from something, it stems from the offensive things that she has had to encounter from 'white' people. I don't think prettygyrl is right about everything she says, and I wish I could change her mind, I would be lying if I didn't say that. But there are things she is VERY right about. One being that I will never be in her shoes, and I will never experience anything like the black community has ever experienced. She DOES come from a repressed peoples, and yes, white people did do this. So no, I don't blame her for her thoughts and feelings, but I don't think she's contributing to a solution, and THAT is what concerns me. We (as white people) put her in the shoes she's in and the attitude she has, so we can at least hear her out, or WE aren't contributing to a solution. When prettygyrl first started to post her feelings they were very much without vindictive phrases and offensive language, but people attacked her for what her opinion was. The only reason I pointed prettygyrl out is because she is being pointed out as being the bad person here, and she's not. Nobody is. So we ALL need to calm down. From both sides. We are well educated people, now lets act like it. Like our mother's used to say. . .two wrongs don't make a right.

[sadeluv]

Prettygyrl,
In regards to Whites and BGLO, I totally agree with you. I just have one concern about CREDIBILITY. This is very important when you are speaking to a group of people. If you would not have informed me that you were NOT part of any Greek organization, I would have really given you kudos (applause). Nevertheless, you are not, so that makes you look ignorant and makes you appear not to be credible to discuss this subject.(not to say that you aren't, we're talking about perception here) Just keep credibility in mind when you are talking publicly.

[prettygyrl]

SADELUV.......ONCE AGAIN WE MUST DISAGREE BECAUSE WHY DO I HAVE TO BE GREEK TO HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT OR TORWARD GREEKS? THAT WOULD BE LIKE SAYING SINCE YOU ARE NOT ME THEN DO NOT SPEAK ON ME RIGHT? (WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING) I DO NOT NEED TO BE GREEK TO HAVE RESPONSES THAT ARE CREDIBLE. ONCE AGIAN YOU ALL ACT AS IF PEOPLE IN BGLOS ARE SEPARATE FROM THE REST OF US BLACK PEOPLE! REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I AM GREEK OR INTERESTED IN BEING SO OR NOT INTERESTED AT ALL STILL THEY ARE APART OF MY STRUGGLE AND THEY ARE WORKING TORWARD MAKING A CHANGE IN OUR STRUGGLE SO YES I CAN VERY MUCH SO VOICE MY FEELINGS ON THINGS SUCH AS THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE I BELIEVE THINGS SUCH AS THIS MAY TAKE THEM IN ANOTHER DIRECTION OR DESTROY THE BGLOS ALL TOGETHER! I NEVER CLAIMED TO BE GREEK BUT AS AN PROSPECTIVE AND A BLACK PERSON THINGS OF THIS NATURE CAN DEFINITIELY AFFECT ME IN THE FUTURE. ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE WITNESSED OR BEEN A PART OF OUR DIVISION BECAUSE FOR YOU TO FEEL WHAT I SAID AS UNCREDIBLE BECAUSE I AM NOT GREEK MEANS THAT YOU SEE US AS A SEPARATE ENTITY AND IF YOUR SELF LOVE WAS AS STRONG AS YOU CLAIM YOU WOULD KNOW THAT NO MATTER WHAT WE ARE WE ARE STILL ALL BLACK AND OUR WORD IS ALWAYS CREDIBLE WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING OF OURSELVES NO MATTER WHAT STATUS OR POSITION WE HOLD OR WHAT ORG WE BELONG TO OR DO NOT!!!!! AND THANKS MGDZKM FOR ONCE AGAIN RESPECTING MY OPINIONS! PEOPLE ARE ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY AND I BY NO MEANS WENT AROUND CALLING FOLKS IGNORANT AS THEY DO ME PEOPLE TOOK MY POST THE WRONG WAY AND THATS THEIR PROBLEM, PEOPLE GOT OFFENDED BECAUSE THEY CHOSE NOT TO UNDERSTAND, THEY CHOSE TO TAKE WHAT I SAID AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD GET OFFENDED JUST BECAUSE I DO NOT BELEIVE IN INTERRACIAL DATING AND THE MIXING OF SOME SACRED ORGS. WHATS OFFENDING ABOUT THAT. THE WAY I SAID THINGS WERE TOOK OUT OF CONTEXT AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE.........THOSE ARE THE BREAKS! TO ALL THE HATERS PLEASE STOP HATING AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE..... I ONLY LOVE THE LOVE!

[mgdzkm433]

I just wanted to post here what I posted in another thread. Both BGLO's and GLO's were formed for different reason, beacuse of the race wars that have gone on for, in my opinion, too long. However, they have a common intrest, and that is to promote the community and to give us a means to do so. Both BGLO's and GLO's alike might have been formed for different reasons, but they share a common goal. I don't think you should join a BGLO because you are black or join a GLO because you are white, you should join them for what they stand for, not for what color they are based on. If you support research for breast cancer and that is important to you, join XYZ because that is their philanthropy, If you like Animal Rights, join TRQ because they help out at the local shelter. THAT is what they were formed FOR. Like I said, the REASON why they were formed might be different, but they still hold a common goal, and THAT is what is important. If you hold the ideals of a particular organization close to your heart, you should follow that path, not deny it because you are a different color than the rest of the members. It's just like saying that only Black men can be doctors, if some white boy has a dream to be a doctor, should he discard it because he's not black? NO! He should do what he is interested in. The same goes for greek organziations. Join what you are interested in. That's all I have to say about it.

[AlphaChiGirl]

Well, if you felt I was "tooting my own horn", as you so eloquently state it, that certainly was not my intentions. I was not totally sure of the time or even the national organization. And also, on the West Coast, many of the NPC and NIC groups were integrated earlier than 1956, because many of the BGLO's were not installed at that point. Like I said, I am trying to learn as much as possible about all Greek letter organizations, forgive me if I get a few facts wrong, but I'm learning. :-)

[sadeluv]

Prettygyrl,
I was by no means trying to put myself above anyone. Nevertheless, you are on a GREEK website and you are not Greek, which is okay. So you shouldn't get offended if someone says, "How can she tell me how to run my organization, she isn't even in a Greek organization."

But, there is a difference in having an opinion, and speaking as if you have experience. It's all about perception. First of all, when I first saw your name, I assumed you were an AKA, maybe I should not have assumed, but this is a Greek chatline. Second of all, you are talking about what you would do in certain situations, Greek oriented situations. I assumed you had been through similar instances before.

What if I went to an AA (Alcohol Anonymous) meeting claiming to have all the solutions, and they asked me had I ever been an alcoholic, and I say "No." Realistically, how does that make me look? People are more apt to listen to you if they feel that you have good knowledge of what your talking about, especially experience.

Opinions alone are nice, but sometimes you need to have the experience to back up that opinion. Especially when talking about businesses or Greek organizations. (Yes, Greek organizations are businesses)

[12dn94dst]

Mgdzkm433 said: "I don't think you should join a BGLO because you are black or join a GLO because you are white, you should join them for what they stand for, not for what color they are based on. If you support research for breast cancer and that is important to you, join XYZ because that is their philanthropy, If you like Animal Rights, join TRQ because they help out at the local shelter. THAT is what they were formed FOR."

I understand what you're saying, but it goes deeper than that. One of the main focuses of a BGLO is being Black and working to improve the Black community. Our community is our philanthropy. Our community is what we stand for. Anyone who joins a BLGO has to have a commitment and a willingness to work to improve our community's worst conditions. If that makes it a color issue, so be it.

------------------
Kelli
12-DN-94
SSU c/o 1997

[prettygyrl]

I suppose sade that if you went to a AAA meeting and you were not an alcholic, but yet claim to have ANY solutions it would mean that you have researched it, known some alcoholics, feel that it affects you in some kind of way and obviously care enuff to offer a solution. Just because you have never taken a drink does not mean you do not care about the cause! I have no idea why yu thought i was an AKA I never claimed to be greek. I always said "if i was" or "if I am honored to be one"! I have NEVER claimed to have all the solutions to anyones problems. I can offer one to whoever if i care enuff about the situation! This is a greek forum that non-greeks can post in and if there was a greek who wanted just all greeks to respond i would assume they would make that clear or just not post in a public forum! Greek or not this issue affects me. I did not come in here and offer greeks tips on their strolls or how to conduct their rushes etc etc. I am just posting my feelings on white in bglos. Why on earth would i have to be greek to do that? Everyone here knows I am not greek but really what does it matter? If you think that what i say is not credible then why even bother to read it? MUCH LESS RESPOND TO IT. Obviously you do not realize I am not looking for anyones approval nor do i care whether you think what i say has merit. I say what I feel it comes from the heart and if you think that you must be apart of something to care about it and what happens to it or to speak up on it then you are sadly mistaken!

[PositivelyAKA]

Originally posted by AlphaChiGirl:
Prettygyrl,
There seems to be a good bit of anger in your posts, especially your most recent one. FYI, GLOs became integrated (if only on a chapter basis) before BGLO's did...if I'm not mistaken, didn't a black woman pledge Sigma Kappa during the 1940's?


FYI, clarification a black woman was offered membership into Sigma Kappa at Cornell in 1956 but officials at the national headquarters were RACIST and they closed down the sorority when the students refused to deny the INTELLIGENT YOUNG BLACK WOMAN Barbara Collier Delaney membership how is that for intergration by GLO's. As far as integrating before BGLO's i know that AKA membership was open to all races way before 1940, but how many RACIST whites would actually want to join our groups anyway, don't toot your own horn, it sounds soooo ugly http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

[mgdzkm433]

12dn94dst,

That was a good point! People do come from predominantly "enter race here" neighborhoods. And I am ALL for people with the same ethnic background having strong feelings, pride, love for their community. I grew up in a small town in West Virginia. About 3,000 - 4,000 people. My high school consisted of about 650 students grades 7-12 (we didn't have middle school or jr. high). But out of those 650 students about 2-4 were black through out my entire high school years. We had 2 exchange students each year, and there were 2 asian/american girls that attened our school. The rest of my school was made up of white students. I have a love for that small town. It's quiet, safe, and beautiful. I suppose I lived a very sheltered, idealistic life growing up because I was not submitted to the 'real' world. The 'real' world is much different than the 'sheltered' life I led in my hometown. But back to my point--NEVER did those students that weren't white, decide that they didn't want to participate in community service, sporting events, cherity functions, social events. . .etc etc just because they were a different color. They were always right there along with the rest of us helping out our communities, schools, churches, etc etc. I never viewed those people as different, yeah, there skin was a different color, but they always had the same intentions as myself. We shared a common goal. And NEVER did anyone deny them them the right, priviledge, or whatever to particpate in clubs, community service, social events etc etc because of their color. So I guess what I'm saying is, how does that instance differ from someone wanting to join a greek organizations? What if the 'white' girl that wants to join a BGLO grew up in a predominatly 'black' neighborhood? The same goes for a 'black' girl to join a 'white' GLO?

The point is, some people just flat out refuse to even THINK of a person of another color joining their organization. I'm staying that you should get to know the person before you brush them off. You don't know where they've been, how they've lived, or who they really are. If you don't find out their intentions first, you may never know what you are missing out on, and it could be the best thing that ever happened to you or your oganization.

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[sadeluv]

Prettygyrl,
Once again my intent was not to offend you. Apparently it did. I'm sorry that you can't accept reality as it is. I truely hope that somebody's sorority accepts you (not with that attitude). Don't all of a sudden think you have it made, just because you talk to some of the members of your aspiring organization.

You can get rejected http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/eek.gif.

Just for the record, this particular issue DOESN'T affect you because you are not in a BGLO and you are not a Caucasion female. (Rocket Scientist!) MOST of these topics DON'T affect you because of the previous stated reasons.

I can appreciate you speaking from the heart, but there is a difference in that and just talking just to be heard, which is what you appear to be consumed with doing.

Speaking realistically, you do care what people think of you, whether your statements have merits, and you are seeking somebody's acceptance. If not, you wouldn't on here trying to run everyone's organization, with your inexperienced statements!

Therefore, I am agreeing to disagree with you. You appear to have a shallow level of thinking and a naive persona. I would prefer not waist my time conversating with a space filled with air.

I wish you much success!!

Life Lesson - Be wise and watch what you say, because people are listening and looking, especially if you are aspiring to be in a BGLO.

[prettygyrl]

SADE GIRL, OR BOY, WHATEVER! PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! YOU DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO OFFEND ME! YOU ARE STEADLY SAYING THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME OR THAT! WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU? NOTHING !BUT YOU TAKE THE TIME TO POST. I DO NOT KNOW EVERYONE SO YOU CLAIM BUT YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME ENUFF TO TELL ME WHAT I CARE ABOUT? FOOL PLEASE!! YOU ARE THE ONE NOT DEALING WITH REALITY! THE REALITY IS, I WILL ALWAYS SPEAK MIND ON WHATEVER I WHAT! AND LIKE I TELL MANY OTHERS IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT TO BAD! I NEVER SAID I COULD NOT GET REJECTED DEAR, THOSE ARE YOUR WORDS. ALTHOUGH I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT BECAUSE I AM NOT EVEN TO THAT POINT YET. I DEFEINITELY HAVE NOT TRIED TO RUN ANYONES ORG. AND NO ONE HAS SAID THAT BUT YOU SO YOU ARE MISTAKEN AND YOUR LITTLE MIND HAS FAILED YOU ONCE AGAIN. I DO NOT EVEN KNOW YOU SO HOW COULD YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT THE THINGS YOU SAY COULD "OFFEND" ME AT ALL! I AM GOING TO ALWAYS BE A STRONG MINDED, OUTSPOKEN, INTELLIGENT BLACK WOMEN, AND WHEN I RUN INTO WEAK SOULS LIKE YOURSELF ALL I CAN DO IS PRAY FOR YOU! SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AS SHALLOW AS THEY COME, I THANK YOU FOR CHOOSING NOT TO CONVERSE WITH ME BECAUSE I NO THAT I INTIMIDATE YOUR TYPE! MALE OR FEMALE WHATEVER YOU ARE, YOU NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER QUIT HATING THOSE YOU WISH YOU WERE LIKE! MOST OF ALL QUIT SPENDING YOUR TIME WORRY ABOUT PRETTYGYRL AND HER ATTITUDE! I KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AND LISTENING THATS WHY WHEN EVER I SPEAK I AM SINCERE AND I SPEAK THE TRUTH. THATS ALL YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE AND IF PEOPLE EXPECT LESS OR EXPECT ME TO BE FAKE OR KISS ASS THEN I WILL ADVISE THEM TO COME AND TALK TO THOSE THAT ARE LIKE YOU! I MEAN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE A LIFE LESSON WHEN IT IS OBVIOUS YOU HAVE LIFE AND BULLSHIT MIXED UP!

[icytre]

Prettygyrl,
Are you okay?

[Monique]

I just wanted to say that even thou peeps have different views that does not make them stupid or ignorant... pretty gyrl ..Gyrl I feel Ya 100%

[mgdzkm433]

Prettygyrl,

Very well put! Just a side note however. (lol, can I ever say anything without a side note?) The all caps thing. To tell you the truth, it hurts my eyes. Maybe that's just me--my eyes are very sensitive to light. But I usually skip over the posts all in caps, or that have a lot of stuff in caps. I try to skim through most of them, but sometimes my eyes just can't take it. If there is anyone else out there like myself, they might only be reading tidbits of your posts and not getting the whole gist, and that might be where their anger is steming from, not getting all the facts. Anyway, just a side note.

[prettygyrl]

Thanks NIque!(smile) Most def icytre i will always be okay dear. It is just very small minded of some people who come in here and can not handle the things that I say that they have to result to name calling. I mean they call me shallow (LOL) and ignorant(LOL) yet it is them that are so angry that they are calling me names(LOL) i see no reason to get THAT upset because we do not even know each other. I always see people post that my posts are angry or this and that. Really I just speak so people can HEAR me and try and understand so when i captilize and use my exclamation points that is just so people know that those parts are important(as i have said before) Some claim to agree to disagree with me but yet they get off on a rant calling me names and stuff. It seems that they must not agree to disagree because they allow themselves to get so upset and then they react stupidly! I do not call people ignorant etc. because just because we do not share the same beliefs that does not make someone ignorant! BUT if it makes those that can not deal with Prettygyrl feel better about themselves to call me names then by all means they need to do what they have to do to have a greater selflove for themselves! I have to thank all the people that took the time to post and agree with me. I want to thank those that disagreed, but understood that I am entitled to mine as they are theirs. To everyone else, as I always say, I will defintiely pray for you!

[Church Lady]

PrettyGyrl,
First of all, I am NOT greek, and I may not agree with everything you post, I do understand. I am older than many of these college women who post and have been in the corporate world and a leader in my community for some time now (in the South). I do tend to question the motives of non-whites who join predominately black orgs (greek and other orgs). To those "whites" who are truly sincere and are willing to fight on the front line along with me (in public as well as privately) fine. Too many times (where I'm from), whites will say they are "down for the cause" but when it comes time to go against other whites beliefs they back down. I too get sick of the "I have black friends or My neighbor is black" speech. The time is to put up or shut up. I guess being born and raised in the deep south has had an affect on me and how I view topics such as this.
I Like your fighting and realistic spirit. If you need a job, come work for me. I would love to have you. I have also heard Greeks in my area express similar feelings.

P.S. That Is the one good thing about our country, it is a free country and you are entitled to your opinions and you have freedom of speech as a right of being born in this country.

Much Love & Peace.

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[PEACE]

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
MALE OR FEMALE WHATEVER YOU ARE, YOU NEED TO GET IT TOGETHER QUIT HATING THOSE YOU WISH YOU WERE LIKE!

This is too funny....you just insinuated that this Sade person wants to be like those she hates!!! Now does that shoe fit on the other foot???

[onesavvydiva]

Prettygyrl,
I wish you had an email address, b/c I would have like to address you personally, but I didn't see one on your profile...I just wanted to say that whether someone agrees with your stance or not, you shouldn't let people get you so upset. There are a lot of opinions on this board that I don't agree with, but you are wasting very productive time and energy trying to make sure that people know where you are coming from.

I mean think about it, If you are so firm in you beliefs, does it really matter whether or not I, for instance, know what you mean. A lot of people on the forum may not agree with your views, and just going back and forth with them makes you and the other person look like you're playing a childish game of tit for tat.

You feel the way that you do, and leave it at that, you shouldn't have to defend you stance if there are obviously sooo many people out there waiting to challenge you. Again, I am not saying that I am totally for everything that you are saying, but I think the board is meant for intelligent conversation, and everyone has their own views so don't get so offended when someone doesn't like yours. I commend you, and I do respect you because you are firm in you stance, no matter what others say...you haven't change your mind yet...and you don't let others sway your confidence, I hope that applies to all aspects of your life.

But really I think it would be in everyone's interest to just kill it, you don't have to respond to every comment... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Have a GREAT day everyone...

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Phenomenally
Phenomenal Woman
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[prettygyrl]

Thanks Churchlady for the support. One savvy diva you are right. I try not to respond to everything people post but when people get to calling me names like ignorant then I suppose I just can't help myself but to response sometimes. Or if people are way off when they are talking about something I said. You know what I mean. I do have an e-mail addy I do not know why its not coming up but it is asiablake@hotmail.com .......andPEACE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YO ARE TALKING ABOUT!

[PEACE]

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
andPEACE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YO ARE TALKING ABOUT!

You said that Sade should quit hating those she/he wants to be more like....what are you doing? You figure it out!

[AlphaChiGirl]

What does any of this have to do with Greek life? It seems as if this board has become more of a racially-based grievance board than an open discussion, usually with bad grammar and headache-inducing caps. Why don't we all do ourselves (and eachother) a huge favor and drop the topic?

[12dn94dst]

Even if the topic is dropped from this board, it's not going to go away. The heated discussions that have taken place on these boards are a clear showing that we still have a very long way to go before race is no longer an issue. You can't just close your eyes and make it go away or ask that a topic be dropped because you're uncomfortable talking about it or you don't see how it relates. As greeks, we're supposed to be leaders in our communities. Whether you want to accept it or not, racial issues are a part of not only greek life, but daily life.

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SSU c/o 1997

[AlphaChiGirl]

I'm completely aware that this is an issue, and it will always be an issue. We have, however, strayed far away from the topic at hand, which is what's annoying me. There is, in general, an overall lack of negativity on this board, and it seems that this specific topic is a breeding ground for a lot of it.

[blu_theatrics]

I FILL THAT YOUR PHILOSOPHY IS NOT WHAT YOUR OR ANY FOUNDERS REALLY HAD IN MIND. I UNDERSTAND YOU IDEOLOGY BUT TO SAY THAT ABOUT YOUR WOULD BE SOROR IS COMPLETELY NOT UNDERSTANDABLE BY ME

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
YOU ASKED HOW I WOULD FEEL IF I WAS ONLINE WITH A WHITE GIRL? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT AT MY SCHOOL. BELEIVE IT OR NOT WE ALL GET ALONG BUT WE ARE FOR THE MOST PART HAPPILY SEGREGATED! YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE WHITE WOMEN IN MY SORORITY OF CHOICE! IF I MAKE IT I WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER WHAT ONE GREEK ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT IS...........EVERY FRIEND IS NOT A SOROR AND EVERY SOROR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!!!!! OK

[blu_theatrics]

hOW CAN YOU SAY THAT YOU ARE REALLY A MEMBER IF YOU ARE LETTING GO OF A SOROR, JUST BECAUSE OF HER COLOR. i VIEW MY SORORITY LIKE THIS. THE FOUNDERS ARE THE MOTHERS OF MY SORORITY AND THEY HAVE GIVEN BIRTH (REBIRTH) TO US AND THEREFORE I WILL LOVE EACH CHILD OF MY FOUNDERS BECAUSE WE ARE ALL MADE UNDER THE SAME IDEALS AND AND CARE FOR THE SAME THINGS. Originally posted by prettygyrl:
IF I CROSS INTO MY SORORITY OF CHOICE AND COME ACROSS A WHITE SOROR, I CAN'T LOVE HER LIKE MY SISTER AND NO ONE CAN MANDATE THAT I DO! AND IF YOU ARE GREEK OR FOR WHO EVER IS GREEK AND MAY COME ACROSS WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR ORGS AND YOU EMBRACE THEM WITH LOVE THEN I CAN NOT MANDATE THAT YOU DON'T!

[Proud Greek]

I know this is late but, PRETTY GIRL the sororities in the NPHC do not discriminate on the basis of race or national origin. You are not even in an orginazation and already talking about who YOU will let in. Everyone gets a vote and the majority rules, not one persons vote. You have to be voted in yourself, so what makes you think you are a shoo in? Yes we are founded as African- American sororities, but we would rather have a hard working WHITE member who is down with our goals and philosophy(Scholarship, service, sisterhood) than a black, letter wearing, pretty party girl. Remember, we are founded on Christian principles, so you need to get over the discrimination craze and see past color. It's not like the white girls are breaking down the door to become members of BGLOs anyway.One here and there occasionally is what I have seen.

[prettygyrl]

Oh my god give it a rest! geez!

[ekception17]

I agree 1913% with everything DiSTinguished has said. As far as the opinions of prettygyrl goes---Why do you care you are NOT even greek. And always remember this--before you get a chance to VOTE on someone else, someone has to vote on you =-)!!!!! So get a grip and get over yourself.

[PEACE]

Originally posted by prettygyrl:
Oh my god give it a rest! geez!

That's exactly what we're saying about you! Thanks for putting it into words!!!

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[3D]

AMEN Peace and ekception17!!!!!!! thank you thank you thank you!!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[blu_theatrics]

Well put and it is amazing that prettygirl only wants to give it a rest when she knows that she has finally gotten to the point were she can't try to wessel out of the truth.

Originally posted by Proud Greek:
I know this is late but, PRETTY GIRL the sororities in the NPHC do not discriminate on the basis of race or national origin. You are not even in an orginazation and already talking about who YOU will let in. Everyone gets a vote and the majority rules, not one persons vote. You have to be voted in yourself, so what makes you think you are a shoo in? Yes we are founded as African- American sororities, but we would rather have a hard working WHITE member who is down with our goals and philosophy(Scholarship, service, sisterhood) than a black, letter wearing, pretty party girl. Remember, we are founded on Christian principles, so you need to get over the discrimination craze and see past color. It's not like the white girls are breaking down the door to become members of BGLOs anyway.One here and there occasionally is what I have seen.

[mgdzkm433]

OK. I don't care what you all talk about. You can talk about anything you want. It can be a heated discussion or it can be silly or whatever. But I am getting sick and tired of all the name calling and bashing. Didn't your mothers ever tell you 'if you can't say something nice, don't say it at all.' The topic is fine, but there is no need to personally attack any person on this board, and that goes for everyone. If you can't start being respectful to each other, then the topics are going to start getting deleted. Like I said, the topics are fine but when I see some of the messages that are designed to try to personally hurt someone instead of adding a opinion to the topic, that makes me a bit upset. You don't know these people, you don't know where they've been, how they were raised, where they come from, or what they've gone through. So stop with the personal vindictivness. I don't know how many times I have to post this before someone listens. All of you need to get over yourselves from the way things sound! Nobody here is better than anyone else, so cut the name calling and bashing. Thanks.

[prettygyrl]

No dear I know the truth actually! I said give it a rest because alot of people here still saying unrealistic bs!iTS REALLY GOING NO WHERE! I CAN HANDLE ANYTHING DISHED MY WAY TRUST ME! I WISH I COULD SPEAK TO YALL FACE TO FACE! Get over myself(LOL) Why don't some of you get over me? Exception17 ummmmmmm I know the process as far as voting goes and whether I get in or not my feelings will remain the same! Like I said before I can not STOP them from getting in whether I was greek or not but I do not have to like it nor do you have to dislike it. People like yall can keep on saying its okay for you to call a white woman soror or a white man husband nothing i say can stop that. BUT as you go on in life and you continue to see your black brothers fried in the electric chair (when there is no solid proof of a crime), Continue to see WHITE police officers gunning your Black brothers and sisters down or standing aorund watching as your Black sisters while they are raped and beaten, Continue to read about lawsuits that many Blacks have to file everyday because of the biased and unjust treatment they constantly get in the world, Continue to read about the HATE crimes committed on predominately White campuses, torward Blacks all the time! Continue to see the same White people, who claim to have no racist views or who say "I never had a slave so why complain to me", get ahead in life while stepping all over you. As the years go on and you continue to witness all the pain and unjustices done to your people at the hands of them, if you can look over at your WHITE soror/frat or your WHITE GIRLFRIEND/BOYFRIEND and trully feel like yall identify with each other enuough to claim love........then I say go for it because obviously your love for us is not as strong as it should be, if thats the case then I guess we do not need ya anyway! Yall might as well go around the U.S. with that Black guy that is lobbying to end Affirmative Action! I mean if things are really like yall claim it is or should be then we do not need Affirmative Action now do we? Please! Yall Just As Misconstrued as that guy is! If that guy gets his way how many of your white sorors and frats will be there for you when you are out of a job? I suppose that when laws like that are not in place the amount of Blacks pledging Bglos will go up because they will not be getting into the white ones anymore I am sure! Point is we are different PERIOD! We are always going to be different! The only thing that we have in common is just the simple Human like qualities (such as breathing, bleeding) everything after that will be very different and it is those things that mold and shape us! We are different! Until some people just accept that and quit trying to force all of us to feel something deep for each other we may never feel then we will always have problems with each other! We can exist in ths world to together without being TOGETHER! GET THE PICTURE! NOW.......MUCH LOVE TO ALL MY PEOPLE EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE NONE FOR ME, BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YALL STILL SUFFERING FROM THAT SLAVE MENTALITY!

[greek]

you are just one more *SIGH* in my life...

could you please explain what the "slave mentality" is? oh no, wait, i forgot, you have never been a slave so how could you possibly know? i didn't know time travel was possible.

[AlphaChiGirl]

<<Could you please explain what the "slave mentality" is? Oh no, wait, I forgot, you have never been a slave so how could you possibly know?>>
--Perhaps she's referring to the "crabs in a barrel" mentality? I really can't come up with what a "slave mentality" is, but I'd love to hear her explanation.

[Wynna]

I've been reading this thread for a long time and I try not to get upset over topics such as this one. Prettygyrl, much love to you for representing and holding your own. I think, however, that this discussion should be closed because no one is going to change anyone's mind.

For the White folks who do not understand what the "slave mentality" is (and if there are African-Americans who are not sure, that's pretty sad) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif let me clarify for you.

Slave mentality: the mentality of the average slave! Slaves learned to appease their White masters and White people in general --to do and give them everything their little hearts desired (in order to avoid being mistreated of course).

What Prettygyrl is trying to say is that we are our own people and should be proud of that. I don't think we have to include everyone in what is rightfully ours. I don't mean to offend anyone, but this is a White person's world and what little we have, we should hold dear to us. In my personal opinion, when a White person joins an organization founded by and for African Americans instead of one of their own they are simply flaunting their power and their ability to do whatever they want. We've been stripped of our prized possessions long enough, why offer it voluntarily?

It's hurts me to know that many African Americans equate success with White. This is evident in the relationships of many of our successful Black men (some women, not many). When we feel like we've 'reached the top' and have acquired quite a bit of cash flow, then we want to go out and get a White mate. How many African American actors/actresses and athletes with White partners can you think of? What happened? We were good enough when they didn't have any money!

Anyway, I think it's time we expressed pride in ourselves and our culture (we have one, you know). I sincerly apologize if I've hurt anyone by my statements, but they are my opinions and mine alone. Thanks!

You can send all emails to Wynnakt@cs.com

[greek]

SOMEONE (won't say who cause she doesn't want her name used) said:
"I think Alpha chi girl is Black! If she do not know what that means then its obvious she is not up on HER history no wonder she chose to roll with the other side! By the way Alpha Chi I beleive the choice you made in sororities has alot to do with your "slave mentality"! You are wrong Greek I am a slave!"

How DARE you judge what AlphaChiGirl has chosen to do with her life. You are obviously very insecure in your own and think that everyone else should lead the hateful, monotonous life you lead. People do what they want to do, obviously Alpha Chi was the right sorority for that ONE INDIVIDUAL. She doesn't have any "mentality" except her own!

And one thing i'll never understand...when i was miserable living in the south, i moved up to the north where i felt there were more opportunities and jobs for me. IF YOU ARE SO UNHAPPY WITH YOUR LIFE, MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!!! move to alaska, china, africa, new mexico...wherever YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE. don't expect everyone else to change for you. go to where you are happy. and i'm not saying move because you're black, i'm saying if you are unhappy with your situation, any situation, go somewhere else.

[HER_STORY]

pretty gyrl......i noticed that you did not respond to my question. is there a difference between white on black crime and black on black crime?

[prettygyrl]

You know I love the fact that yall just can not get enough of me.......but this is just for her story. whats your addy her story cause as far as this forum goes i am done you want an answer then post your e-mail or hit me up in mine asiablake@hotmail.com.

[Consideration]

Originally posted by HER_STORY:
pretty gyrl......i noticed that you did not respond to my question. is there a difference between white on black crime and black on black crime?

She didn't answer your question because she CAN'T answer it...most people know that there is no color difference when a crime is committed! But please leave it be...if she says she's through on here then I'm celebrating!

[AlphaChiGirl]

Does this mean she's gone off of the entire board, or just this topic? Either way, thank God! I don't need anyone to discuss my mentality, my decision in choosing an organization, and I certainly don't need someone to question my knowlegde of my people's history. As I've discussed it with many on this board, choosing between the NPC and NPHC, as well as among the groups on my own campus...and I chose the best group for me, and if anyone has any problem with that, so be it.

"I was so much smarter when I was 17 years old"--Unknown

[HER_STORY]

prettygyrl..... is there a difference if a white person killed a black person and if a black person killed another black person?

[prettygyrl]

Thanks Wyanna! I truly love the love! If Greek and Alpha Chi Girl did not know what is meant by slave mentality then they are truly a waste of my time to even respond to. I think Alpha chi girl is Black! If she do not know what that means then its obvious she is not up on HER history no wonder she chose to roll with the other side! By the way Alpha Chi I beleive the choice you made in sororities has alot to do with your "slave mentality"! You are wrong Greek I am a slave! We are all still slaving in this White ran world! It may not be with whips and chains but we are enslaved mentally , economically, socially, politically. so on and so forth! Since alot of you have REALLY proven yourselfs completely lost on this subject Wyanna is right it should be closed! Some of you need to use some of the time you spend posting up in here to go out and purchase yourself a clue or two! If some of you want to keep this going go right ahead but try and keep the mention of my name to a minimal because some of the things some people say are truly a waste of good forum space and will def not even warrant a reply from me anymore! I love the love! I am out!

[Salience]

Originally posted by Consideration:
She didn't answer your question because she CAN'T answer it...most people know that there is no color difference when a crime is committed!

Can't let this be: there is, throughout history until the modern day, and statistically, a difference in sentences for a white man convicted of killing a black man, than a black man killing another. But this is not the space to debate this most serious of topics.


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Subtlety is the key ;o)

[Consideration]

Salience -
Your point is very TRUE (not that it makes it right). My point is simply that when it comes to the ACTUAL crime - there should be no difference. It is sad when a person, regardless of nationality, is killed, no matter what color the skin of the killer is.

[DELTABRAT]

Wynna,

Loved your response. Concise,, coherent, factual, respectful.

Prettygyrl, yeah, take it off to the side (although someone answered the question). You know folks can't take you sistah.

greek: It is not quite that easy to just pick up and move elsewhere. Besides, the people I know who did that found a rude awakening. The white man cannot be escaped. Period. Moving from the south (overt racism) to the north 9covert racism) is totally different. Racism is still alive and well. You know that.

Consideration:

I agree that a life should be "worth" the same regardless of race. That is not the case in AmeriKKKa. We know this. It's sad though, huh? The Black man's life is pretty much worthless in this country and has been from day one. Wanna see a sentence? See that of a black man who kills ANYONE, let alone a white person. Check out the number of political prisoners incarcerated for doing NOTHING!!! But are accused of crimes against who? White people. Can you imagine?
Something has to be done. Black folks however, have become real complacent in this day and age. We have become satisfied with the crumbs society has "allowed" us to have.

Enough of this though. I think we are all frustrated with this society and the way it treats people...white and black. Asian and American Indian...EVERYBODY.

I am at work...I always am at work on this page. Anybody got a job in Los Angeles for a little Black girl from the inner city in case I lose this one?

I have to apologize to Consideration. I could NOT remember the name every time I got onto my page to type the responses. I AM TRULY SORRY http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif
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[HER_STORY]

ok.......i already knew the answer but i posted that in response to prettygyrl's post about white people, slavery and not being able to forgive them (and that's your business). that was back in the 1800's but here in the 70's 80's and 90's the crimes commited against my family and friends were done at the hands of BLACK MEN. with the worst one being a young black man putting a gun to my grandmother's head and shooting her at point blank range becaue she refused to let go of HER purse!!!!!! then the mf ran and did not even take the damn purse. thats why i asked the question because the fact that it was done by another black person didn't/doesn't lessen the pain felt by my family.

[ManndingoNUPE]

I am rather late to this party. I have never posted on this subject, becuase I think that we can never really resovle these issues, especially not over the internet with a few dozen people who have never met, have no idea what thier background is, or what experiences have helped to shape thier lives. I personally disagree with most of the poeple on here, and that is due to the factors that have shaped my life.

I don't think that Prtygrl's feeling can be simply dimissed, as well as the feelings of those that are attacking her viewpoint. Let's all agree to disgree. There is no winning this debate. This issue is older and bigger than all of us here. If great men such as Malcom X, Martin Luther King, WEB DuBois, can't eradicate the problems that are faced by African Americans, then how will we do it on a chat board. Comeon folks.

Some whites, and some blacks will never really get what it is to be an African American inn this country.

Just my $19.11 worth.

[TK 1507]

What is with this "Down with the man" mentallity? It's hipocracy and racism at its finest as far as I'm concerned. I don't understand why a black person saying blacks and whites should stick with their own is called racial pride, but a white man saying the same thing is a bigot and racist. Could someone clear this up for me? thanks.

Steve

[ManndingoNUPE]

Man, why is it that you find soooo many spelling mistakes after you post, and none when you are posting.

Somebody put me in "Da Kut" next time I post a misspelling.

[Wynna]

DELTABRAT,

Thanks. I try maintain respect for people as individuals. I just want people to understand that this is a grand scale problem and has nothing to do with individuals. I am for and about uplifting MY people and it's time things change.

Anyway, I'm from L.A. too. I think we're both going to looking for jobs around here if we continue to keep this up! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif Stay strong!

[Consideration]

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
That is not the case in AmeriKKKa. We know this.



I think that this type of reference to America is very disrespectful. You may not agree to what happens in America (Lord knows I don't always), but at least this country does allow you the freedom to say so! You are given this privelege (free speech) because this is America and not a country that censor's what its constituents say. My grandfathers, uncles, and father fought (and many died) in wars that allowed us the freedom we have today. I can understand people having differing opinions about society today, but not being disrespectful in regards to the freedoms that this country affords. If you truly feel that you will never get ahead here, then why stay? I really have never heard a good answer to this question. If its so terribly bad that you can't stand to be here...then go! At least you know you'll have the freedom to do so.

[ManndingoNUPE]

consideration,

Our people have been in each war that this country has been in, so I don't think that we have to go anywhere! Hell, my father faught in Vietnam, only to come back home and be called a term that I will not use here. So for those men and women, that have shed their blood for me to stay here and say what the hell I want to, I will do just that.

Look, this is silly, this is probably more devicive than it is helpfull. Moderator, please close this thread, it is pretty much done. Nothing good will come of it.

Peace and Luv to all

[prettygyrl]

I try and try not to post in here but whenever I see that things are misconstrued some I really have to cLarify! first of all where and when did I say that it was ok for Blacks to commit crimes against whites i never said that!............HER STORY IT IS REALLY unfortunate what happened to your family. Like I said before I never said that that type of behavior was ok. Things like that happen in our communities everyday. Then on top of that we must endure the hate crimes not to mention the police who like to use us for target practice! So see we are dying left and right! Unfortunately the things that happen to your family and to ours are happening at the hands of our people that are a product of what your people helped mold and shape them into! I know you would not like to beleive that and so would alot of others but it is true! This is not to say that it is ok this is just to tell you why it happens. That mf ( as you called him) that hurt your family is part of the repercussions of the pain we endure at the hands of your people. Take a walk in some of these ghettos and you will see what your people are allowing and even making sure of to happen to some of us. If you knew our history you would see how this white society could rasie and put out into the world such a person as the one that hurt your family. I mean I can not even begin to go into this on this forum and since I do not know you, you will have to take the time and do some research yourself. BUT what you expect out of one that comes from where this person probably came from. I am not saying he should go unpunished. You have to realize that your people have created alot of monsters(so to speak) but they will sit back as if they had nothing to with some Young Black man who goes on a rampage as the one who hurt your family! Society is responsible, your people are just as responsible as the man who committed the crime. Whether you believe it or not it is true. I am sorry you had to go through such pain in your family. You should try and do some deep research on my people and maybe this person and you will see where one might get to be so heartless and angry. They learned it from the massa. tk1507 dear i do not think of any white person as racist if they say they should stick to there own kind. I think that is what we need to do. I have a problem with hate groups and there violent tactics period. I believe that we should stick to our own and you to yours but I do not hate you nor would i want you to die because your skin color is differnt its people like that I consider racist! Consideraton.......I do not know your race but WE really do not have as much FREEDOM to what WE want as you claim! Black people are still very limited in what they are allowed to do! In all actuality I think that in some aspects some people have TOO much freedom cause I really feel that somethings should not be printed nor shown on TV! I think that the galmourizing of some things really cause those things to continue to happen. THATS A WHOLE OTHER SUBJECT! MUCH LOVE MY PEEPS

[HER_STORY]

prettygyrl !!!!!!!!!! what are you talking about your people......our people...... i am BLACK just like you !!!!!!! thats why i said it didn't lessen the pain.

[DELTABRAT]

Her_Story:

I am sorry that that happened. That is really unfortunate. I misunderstood your post. NO there is NOT a difference in the pain and suffering felt. You don't say "Well the man who did x,y,z was Black, so it's okay). No! I thought you meant in terms of punishment for the crime. I am so sorry. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

[DELTABRAT]

Consideration:

Based on your post I have to say that clearly I have the "right" to call this place what I want to. Your fathers, uncles? What about my fathers uncles who built this place without an iota of credit?
Don't tell me who fought for "freedom." And since we're on the subject what freedom are you speaking of? Mine is probably a whole lot different from yours.

[prettygyrl]

well the way it was put I thought you were white but still, I never said anyway anything about a black mans crime is less than a whites man. Never! I do still say that in most instances ( with Black people) you can pretty much see exactly where and how one went very wrong in his or her life! You would be surprised what opression does to some but then again you may already know. I do not know why people in here started talking to me about the crimes that White People and Black people commit. I never said nothing about a White person being murdered by Black person was okay nor vice versa. I lobby against the death penality so why would I say it was ok for ANYONE to harm ANYONE ELSE! oBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WAS WAY OFF IF THEY GO THAT OUT OF ONE OF MY POST!

[Consideration]

If you truly feel that you will never get ahead here, then why stay? I really have never heard a good answer to this question. If its so terribly bad that you can't stand to be here...then go! At least you know you'll have the freedom to do so.

[AlphaChiGirl]

"If you truly feel that you will never get ahead here, then why stay? I really have never heard a good answer to this question. If its so terribly bad that you can't stand to be here...then go! At least you know you'll have the freedom to do so."
--I know I've said this to a few people before, with blank stares. Frankly, we all know, even with the discrimination experienced by so many, that America is the only place where we can properly exercise our rights. If anyone is so unhappy, why doesn't he or she just leave?

[ManndingoNUPE]

God, why are we beating this horse. He is dead and stinking, and none of us smells it yet.

I can speak for me only. I stay becuase this is the best thing going. I would not want to live (well mayb just to visit other places),any where else in the world. The US is the best thing going.

But I get really irritated with people who say "well if you don't like it, why don't you go somewhere else?"

For those who have ears but do not listen, for those that have eyes, but fail to see, my answer to your question is, that this is the best thing going, and my people have died for this country, and it would be disrespectfull to turn tail and leave, as opposed to stay here and try to change things. That is my answer to your question, if you need more, I can easily write you a book, but I don't have time, or the desire to do so. If that doesn't satisfy your question, then that is your problem.

Respectfully Yours

Manndingo Nupe

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE:
God, why are we beating this horse. He is dead and stinking, and none of us smells it yet.


ManndingoNUPE - I am LMAO at this one! Thank you, thank you, thank you for putting this so eloquently and poetically! Your words have put a tear in my eye http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif I agree - this topic cannot and will not ever be resolved on this type of forum. I don't know how in the world it came around to be this misconstrued, only that I will have to back you up 110% on this one!

[icytre]

I truely wasn't going to respond, but I kept seeing people ask "Well if you don't like it here, why don't you leave."

Forgive me, but I have heard this redneck slogan for years.

I shouldn't have to go anywhere to be treated equal, period!!!! I don't run from problems!! I should be treated the same in America as any white person.

Who are you to ask me to leave, when I was drug here unwantingly!!! (let's not take this literally) If you brought me here, deal with me and treat me right!!!

That's the problem, people want to run away, or send people away from the problem. I think that is a copout.

[Monique]

Amen....Icytre.... Amen

[ASTsnr]

prettygyrl,

I am going to try and put this in the nicest way possible, but i don't think it is giong to work. The only reason we have wglo's and bglo's is because of poeple like you, who have the same simpleminded feeble brain. I am not saying black people, I am saying simpletons. Think about it, back in the day if the white people had not been so...how can I put it....stupid, we would not have ever had racism. I don't know about anyone else...and I am strictly speaking for myself, not my sisters, but I am so sick of white this and black this. When is it going to stop, oh what am I thinking, there are still people like you who think it has to be a white thing or a black thing...its getting old. As long as there are still shallow people out there it is never going to stop. Thats sad...

[HER_STORY]

thanks deltabrat!

prettygyrl......i think that you have misunderstood what i meant. i never said anything about the crime being less. i meant the pain being less. actually it hurts more when another black person does something against me. it's like if you compare a street person vs a family member. if a family member does something messed up--i think it takes your breath away for a moment because you don't expect that vs someone from the street.

[HER_STORY]

pretty gyrl.......i brought up the topic about racial crimes because in a previous post you were talking about slavery and how you felt as a result. my point is that despite what has happened to my grandmother and close friends, i don't have a problem with BLACK MEN in general because i am able to separate the the good from the bad. in alot of cases you (we as people) have to think about things on a situational basis. i am not saying that you don't because i don't know your train of thought but your post does make alot of implications. and before you get your feathers ruffled :NO......WITH REGARDS TO RACIAL ISSUES I DON'T THINK EVERY THING IS OK. but i can't let that consume me because i have a responsibility to those that depend on me both living and past to be the best that i can be which involves making sure that i am prepared education wise and financially to meet the challenges as they come my way.

[Corbin Dallas]

actually, if you want to be technical, the "Native Amerians" were nomads that came here from Asia. And the, if you don't like it go back to your own country thing doesn't work because:

1) people came here from other countries for a reason, it sucks there! whether it was poverty, overpopulation, tyranny, or whatever

2) nobody should have to leave because we didn't decide to come here, our ancestors decided for us, or someone elses ancestors did!

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Zeta Chapter
Ros-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[pinkice9]

Bottom line is when the term "Go back to your own country," comes about, no one should be left here but Native Americans.

They should be the real pissed off nationality. One, because they did not ask any of us to come here. And two, because they fell for the trickery of the white mans promises "treaty." I bet if the Native Americans had it to do all over again, they would have told Chris Columbus and all of his boys to keep their food and go.

Just a little history note.

Pinkice

[This message has been edited by pinkice9 (edited June 30, 2000).]

[HER_STORY]

pinkice 9...........i know thats right (lol)

[Church Lady]

Excuse me consideration,
How can you tell prettygyl not to post here when you are not even registered?