a real good woman would...

[The Original Ape]

Hey yall, finish that statement!

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[Sexy Mocha]

A real good woman will love her man no matter what. She will always be there for HER man, picking up after him, cooking his favorite meals, adjusting her schedule to fit around his. Let's not forget, she has to please him in any and every way she knows how! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif (Shoot! She better not have no headache!) Going out every night with the boys? Sure, baby! She'll just sit at home. (there must be something she can do...Oh, yeah! The button on his shirt needs to be sewn back on http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif ) A real good woman would do all of this and more for her man, and PLEASE can't we do it with our mouths shut?!? This, Original Ape, is what Sexy Mocha thinks a real woman would do......................NOT!!!!
Seriously, in a nutshell... A real good woman would have her cake and eat it too. She would have an enjoying career, be a SuperMom to her children, a loving and understanding woman (not to mention best friend) to her man, and still be able to have time to tend to her self physically, emotionally, and spiritually...this aspect is most important of all because without taking care of herself, she will not be able to give of herself to help others. And that's my two cents worth!

[thatgirl]

A real good woman would be as real as she was when she met the man for the duration of the relationship. We *women* have a tendency to put on airs when it comes to men. Just be real and stay real. It's a lot easier that way. Then again, that's probably why I'm single *s*.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
A real good woman will love her man no matter what. She will always be there for HER man, picking up after him, cooking his favorite meals, adjusting her schedule to fit around his. Let's not forget, she has to please him in any and every way she knows how! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif (Shoot! She better not have no headache!) Going out every night with the boys? Sure, baby! She'll just sit at home. (there must be something she can do...Oh, yeah! The button on his shirt needs to be sewn back on http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif ) A real good woman would do all of this and more for her man, and PLEASE can't we do it with our mouths shut?!? This, Original Ape, is what Sexy Mocha thinks a real woman would do......................NOT!!!!
Seriously, in a nutshell... A real good woman would have her cake and eat it too. She would have an enjoying career, be a SuperMom to her children, a loving and understanding woman (not to mention best friend) to her man, and still be able to have time to tend to her self physically, emotionally, and spiritually...this aspect is most important of all because without taking care of herself, she will not be able to give of herself to help others. And that's my two cents worth!

That's worth alot more than two cents!

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by thatgirl:
A real good woman would be as real as she was when she met the man for the duration of the relationship. We *women* have a tendency to put on airs when it comes to men. Just be real and stay real. It's a lot easier that way. Then again, that's probably why I'm single *s*.

Naw Sista...that's NOT why you're single!

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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
LOL! ThatGirl, your points are INDEED valid! If ever the truth was told, you just told it. Talk about putting on airs!! I think that's why I can't stay in a good relationship for more than a few months! I'm a gemini (moody, split personality, etc.), anyway, when I meet a guy...of course I don't want him to see this side of me (not yet anyway), so I just act as sweet as a peach pie...then after a couple of weeks, my true self emerges and they have the nerve to trip http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif They're all like "Dam girl! What happened to that nice, sweet young lady I met?!?" Then my head turns 360 degrees (think Exorcist) and I say " She's no longer here" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Your post has got me to thinking, maybe if I keep it real from the beginning....hmmmmm.

I know a Gemini, and she's alot like that! Hey Clippy, did you peep this?

[Sexy Mocha]

Ok OriginalApe, What do you think a real woman would do/be? And, yes I did give a lot more than two cents...a topic like this warrants a well thought out answer http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Ok OriginalApe, What do you think a real woman would do/be? And, yes I did give a lot more than two cents...a topic like this warrants a well thought out answer http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

A REAL GOOD WOMAN would know herself. In knowing herself, she would accept herself with pride; she would not suffer from feelings of inadequacies that lead to strange behaviors that drive men away(i.e. unfounded distrust, paranoia,[Bruhs know what I mean])

She would show love to her man without solicitation( from her man)--even when she's angry with him-and EXPECT IT IN RETURN. She would not judge him, but trust him. She would give whatever she expects to receive-plus a whole lot more!

[Sexy Mocha]

Now there's an answer!! However, the "strange behaviors" that you mention don't usually come from "feelings of inadequacies", but rather from inconsiderate-playing too many games- cheating ass- "I never do anything wrong, you're just tripping" men. Some men are just incapable of admitting when it's their own issues and behavior patterns that lead them out the door, it's so much easier to blame it on a women's insecurities!

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Now there's an answer!! However, the "strange behaviors" that you mention don't usually come from "feelings of inadequacies", but rather from inconsiderate-playing too many games- cheating ass- "I never do anything wrong, you're just tripping" men. Some men are just incapable of admitting when it's their own issues and behavior patterns that lead them out the door, it's so much easier to blame it on a women's insecurities!

I concede. Many of us do cheat, as do you sistas. But what about that percentage of us that are OVERLY SUSPICIOUS and DO trip? Wouldn't that cause you to end the relationship? And suppose you tell the man that it's over, and he refuses to accept it?

I happen to believe that certain things people do/don't do cause people to think about cheating, and then it happens(sometimes by design, sometimes not). I agree with you that people should take responsibility for their actions, both men and women. After all; dogs come in BOTH SEXES!

I like that FIRE in your words girl!!!!!!!

[thatgirl]

It's a no win either way, most of the time. If you are feeling somebody, nine times out of ten, they're feeling somebody else. If somebody's feeling you, you play along for a minute then before you know it, you're bored to DEATH. Relationships are ridiculous. *Can't ya tell that I'm a Leo?*

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Proverbs 14:7
Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by thatgirl:
It's a no win either way, most of the time. If you are feeling somebody, nine times out of ten, they're feeling somebody else. If somebody's feeling you, you play along for a minute then before you know it, you're bored to DEATH. Relationships are ridiculous. *Can't ya tell that I'm a Leo?*


Yes I can. I a Leo too.

[Sexy Mocha]

Ok, I am really feeling your last post! Being a dog, whether your a man or a woman, is more than likely a REACTION to a bad experience, treatment, and/or relationship that has occured. Developing and displaying the "canine" behavior is his/her way of saying "I was hurt/treated badly/cheated on, so now before I let anyone do it to me again...I'm going to do it to them." I think that kind of explains the woman that are "overly suspicious", who trip, refuse to accept the breakup, threaten to kill themselves/their man if they really end it...or whatever have you. It's indeed a sad thing. Now... Sir, can I ask you what it is that a woman can possibly do to drive her man to CHEAT??? If she's a psycho, you simply get yourself out of the situation, you don't cheat. What is sticking your ______ (you fill in the blank)..into another woman going to do to solve the problems that you have with your woman?!? Let me know!

[Sexy Mocha]

LOL! ThatGirl, your points are INDEED valid! If ever the truth was told, you just told it. Talk about putting on airs!! I think that's why I can't stay in a good relationship for more than a few months! I'm a gemini (moody, split personality, etc.), anyway, when I meet a guy...of course I don't want him to see this side of me (not yet anyway), so I just act as sweet as a peach pie...then after a couple of weeks, my true self emerges and they have the nerve to trip http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif They're all like "Dam girl! What happened to that nice, sweet young lady I met?!?" Then my head turns 360 degrees (think Exorcist) and I say " She's no longer here" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Your post has got me to thinking, maybe if I keep it real from the beginning....hmmmmm.

[Professor]

No C O M M E N T ! !!

[tickledpink]

*...be God-fearing.

*...be a very good listener. She listens to her man express his feelings & talk about his day because she understands that it's tough to try to "carry the weight of the world" on his shoulders.

*...be able to express her concerns without making her man feel like anything less than a man.

*...be an excellent mother. Her man knows that their children will be well-educated (in book and common sense) because of her. She is someone that he hopes his daughter will grow up to be like.

*...is self confident and understands that she does not need a man to define who she is. If she's learned this love and appreciation of herself, she'll be able to make a healthy contribution to a relationship.

*...not be bitter. Although she's suffered the wrath of the dog, she's completely healed from that relationship, understands that every man is not the same, and will not punish every brother she meets for the stupidity of one.

*...have a brain and use it well. She's no body's fool.

*...will have her man's back through thick and thin. When all the money's gone and his "boys" don't come around anymore, she's still there and she still loves him.

Was that list long enough?

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>>>"Many women do noble things, but you surpass them all."
Charm is deceptive and beauty is fleeting, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised... Proverbs 31:29-30

[thatgirl]

Originally posted by Professor:
No C O M M E N T ! !!

Ohhhhhhhh. Come on, let's get the male point of view.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Ok, I am really feeling your last post! Being a dog, whether your a man or a woman, is more than likely a REACTION to a bad experience, treatment, and/or relationship that has occured. Developing and displaying the "canine" behavior is his/her way of saying "I was hurt/treated badly/cheated on, so now before I let anyone do it to me again...I'm going to do it to them." I think that kind of explains the woman that are "overly suspicious", who trip, refuse to accept the breakup, threaten to kill themselves/their man if they really end it...or whatever have you. It's indeed a sad thing. Now... Sir, can I ask you what it is that a woman can possibly do to drive her man to CHEAT??? If she's a psycho, you simply get yourself out of the situation, you don't cheat. What is sticking your ______ (you fill in the blank)..into another woman going to do to solve the problems that you have with your woman?!? Let me know!

I feel you on that. I believe the man/woman should just go on and get out of it. Cheating doesn't solve the problem, but sometimes you can't get out when you need to; and IT happens. And sometimes, it is a welcomed distraction from the ____ you're in!

When a woman in a relationship relaxes, begins to take her man's interest in her appearance for granted, begins to nag him, refuses to pay attention to "signs" of trouble, and makes it almost impossible to communicate with her, cheating is the next problem she'll have with him. Many times people leave a relationship that could be good for them because of THEIR pride. Know what I mean?

Actually, everything I have said applies to us as well as to woman.

I'm going to sit on the side and let some other brothas deal with this.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Ok, I am really feeling your last post! Being a dog, whether your a man or a woman, is more than likely a REACTION to a bad experience, treatment, and/or relationship that has occured. Developing and displaying the "canine" behavior is his/her way of saying "I was hurt/treated badly/cheated on, so now before I let anyone do it to me again...I'm going to do it to them." I think that kind of explains the woman that are "overly suspicious", who trip, refuse to accept the breakup, threaten to kill themselves/their man if they really end it...or whatever have you. It's indeed a sad thing. Now... Sir, can I ask you what it is that a woman can possibly do to drive her man to CHEAT??? If she's a psycho, you simply get yourself out of the situation, you don't cheat. What is sticking your ______ (you fill in the blank)..into another woman going to do to solve the problems that you have with your woman?!? Let me know!

The kind of behavior that drives us to other women will also drive most of the woman's friends away from her too. Anyone that's around the woman enough will notice a change in her attitude, and they will back off until she gets her mental balance again(if you know what I mean!)
Cheating is painful; and irrespectful of gender, hard to forgive. For most people, it can't be forgiven. The fact that you don't know until you know makes life the interesting challenge that it is. All you can do is date as many as necessary to get yourself a database for comparisons. You can then find out what you want/don't want; and when you get a man who's as close to what you want as possible, COMMIT YOURSELF TO PLEASING HIM 24-7.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Now there's an answer!! However, the "strange behaviors" that you mention don't usually come from "feelings of inadequacies", but rather from inconsiderate-playing too many games- cheating ass- "I never do anything wrong, you're just tripping" men. Some men are just incapable of admitting when it's their own issues and behavior patterns that lead them out the door, it's so much easier to blame it on a women's insecurities!

How can a man who really loves his woman tell her that she has let herself go; gained weight,and changed her attitude to something he doesn't recognize or like, yet he loves her and doesn't want to leave her, but wants her the way she was?

[thatgirl]

Damn, Ape, that's a tough one. Take CARE of your woman, MAN. Take her to get her hair done. Go to the gym with her. Buy her a nice outfit. If you don't like her attitude, tell her. Be a man about it. Take some authority and she'll straighten up. You do not HAVE to cheat/

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Proverbs 14:7
Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

[The Original Ape]

he Originally posted by thatgirl:
Damn, Ape, that's a tough one. Take CARE of your woman, MAN. Take her to get her hair done. Go to the gym with her. Buy her a nice outfit. If you don't like her attitude, tell her. Be a man about it. Take some authority and she'll straighten up. You do not HAVE to cheat/


Dam, Thatgirl!

First, THAT AINT MY SITUATION!

Secondly, thanks for the advise though. There are some bruhs out there that will attest to the fact that it AINT THAT EASY. Some women just aint tryin' to hear dat! One of my boys is in that situation. I'm tight with the both of them. I tried talking to her for him and it didn't work. Don't ask me what I advised him to do.

[darling1]

....love her man unconditionally

thatgirl...u my leo peeps but i don't agree with that comment about we women put on 'airs'. little girls do that. women allow themselves to experience love without reservation. a real good woman would allow her self to experience the gifts that her man has to offer.

i am not sure who the women that have influenced you but i hope u know that putting on airs is akin to game playing and from my perspective real good women don't believe in that.

i don't mean to offend but this LIONESS must speak her mind.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by darling1:
....love her man unconditionally

thatgirl...u my leo peeps but i don't agree with that comment about we women put on 'airs'. little girls do that. women allow themselves to experience love without reservation. a real good woman would allow her self to experience the gifts that her man has to offer.

i am not sure who the women that have influenced you but i hope u know that putting on airs is akin to game playing and from my perspective real good women don't believe in that.

i don't mean to offend but this LIONESS must speak her mind.

I hope our "Lioness" remembers that REAL love is like a rollocoaster; there are high points and low points, and a REAL WOMAN sticks around for both with the same enthusiasm and fortitude.

My PRIDE would know dat!!! :-)

[thatgirl]

Original Ape:
I know it's not that easy, and I figured it wasn't your situation. What I'm saying is that a lot of times a person may not realize that anything is wrong until you bring it to their attention. As far as women putting on airs--- it happens. It happens everyday. It doesn't make them less than a woman, it is simply one of their flaws. Everyone has flaws. As for me, I've learned to keep it on the up and up from the beginning to save myself a lot of heartache. The bottom line is that a good MATE, male or female, would always respect, honor, and trust their partner. Everyone is deserving of those things.

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Proverbs 14:7
Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by thatgirl:
Original Ape:
I know it's not that easy, and I figured it wasn't your situation. What I'm saying is that a lot of times a person may not realize that anything is wrong until you bring it to their attention. As far as women putting on airs--- it happens. It happens everyday. It doesn't make them less than a woman, it is simply one of their flaws. Everyone has flaws. As for me, I've learned to keep it on the up and up from the beginning to save myself a lot of heartache. The bottom line is that a good MATE, male or female, would always respect, honor, and trust their partner. Everyone is deserving of those things.


I agree. Everyone intially deserves respect; but they'll have to maintain it themselves; otherwise, they'll lose it somewhere, and many times, unecessarily.

When I tried to tell my friend's girl to tighten up, she told me "it's all good". I told her:yeah, it's all good... and gone! I told her that my boy loves her; and wasn't thinking about another woman. That he just wants the woman back that he fell in love with. I told her to quit being so suspicious about him and work on her attitude and weight problem. I think they're related. Instead of appreciating what I was trying to do, she laughed it off as if I was playin' with her. I told her that I was serious. I got the impression it didn't matter to her. My boy was crushed by her lack of sincerity.

[darling1]

Original,

My fiance and I can attest to the rollercoaster that a relationship can bring. we have been together for 3 yrs and friends for 11. He has seen ALL of me and vice versa. I know that we love each other more now than when we first began dating. For us the ride will only end when God sees fit to intervene. So thank you my brotha for your input http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by darling1:
Original,

My fiance and I can attest to the rollercoaster that a relationship can bring. we have been together for 3 yrs and friends for 11. He has seen ALL of me and vice versa. I know that we love each other more now than when we first began dating. For us the ride will only end when God sees fit to intervene. So thank you my brotha for your input http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif.

Listen and hear each other, and you two will grow old and meet God together. Good luck to the both of you.

[Sexy Mocha]

Before a man starts thinking of ways to tell his woman that she has slacked off, it's always best to try and figure out WHY she has become this way. If it's because she's unhappy or depressed, find the cause...and help her through her problems. Now, if old girl has gotten it in her head that now that she's "got" her man, she can let herself go...then that's another story. In a case like that, there should be no hesitation in telling her the truth. It also depends on your definition of "letting herself go". If it's just weight gain, it could be that it's hereditary or because of multiple child births in which case it's something that she has no control over. But there's no reason why she should be neglecting all other aspects of herself. Personally, I think a woman should always keep herself looking "tight". I mean, I don't think a man should leave his woman because she has let herself go (love should be unconditional...I guess )but I certainly could understand how the attraction could diminish.

[tickledpink]

Ape, I'm curious as to what your response would be for the Do Right Man post in our forum.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Before a man starts thinking of ways to tell his woman that she has slacked off, it's always best to try and figure out WHY she has become this way. If it's because she's unhappy or depressed, find the cause...and help her through her problems. Now, if old girl has gotten it in her head that now that she's "got" her man, she can let herself go...then that's another story. In a case like that, there should be no hesitation in telling her the truth. It also depends on your definition of "letting herself go". If it's just weight gain, it could be that it's hereditary or because of multiple child births in which case it's something that she has no control over. But there's no reason why she should be neglecting all other aspects of herself. Personally, I think a woman should always keep herself looking "tight". I mean, I don't think a man should leave his woman because she has let herself go (love should be unconditional...I guess )but I certainly could understand how the attraction could diminish.

Hey Sexy! It's good to hear from you again!

Love SHOULD be unconditional, but IT RARELY IS in the real world. In fact, it's more visual than spiritual today. It's there, then it disappears.

I see two causes for this occuring: 1) people are less patient with relationships today; less willing to struggle to make them work, and 2)whatever attracts you to a person initially will tell you the nature of your feelings for that person. If the first thing you notice(and attracts you)about a brotha is his ass, you should know that the nature of any relationship you develop with him will initially be physical. If it's his clothes, car, or house, then it's what he possibly can do for you materially. If it's his smile, or his wit, then it may have a genuine foundation. The key is to recognize what it was about a person that intially attracted you to him/her. A person's physique, and material assets ARE CONDITIONAL.

[Sexy Mocha]

You have never lied! People ARE less willing to work hard to make the relationship work these days. The initial attraction is always a pretty good indication of how deep the relationship will be... which is why relationships like that never endure,because it's based on something superficial from the start. What puzzles me is this... How does one truly know if the relationship is worth the extra effort and time? I have seen it plenty of times where a woman/man has been involved with someone for two years plus, just to have the relationship end. Are we supposed to look at it as one of life's many lessons and move on or after a certain time span of being with someone are we SUPPOSED to stick it out? Want to hear my philosophy on life? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I believe life is a series of tests that we are put through. The reasons some of us find ourselves going through the same problems over and over is because we haven't learned the lesson God is trying to teach us. (We keep failing the test.) Once we as men/women learn that no relationship will work without some good hard work, then maybe our generation can start having the relationships/marriages that last for 40, 50 years plus like our grandparents and great grandparents enjoyed!

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by tickledpink:
Ape, I'm curious as to what your response would be for the Do Right Man post in our forum.

I responded to it. Thanks for inviting me.
I hope you find it helpful.

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[blu_theatrics]

Originally posted by The Original Ape:

Remember. Us brothas are raised to keep our emotions to ourselves...expressing pain or pleasure is the act of the weak.

You really just made me think about myself
I agree with this statement so much and I must even say that I am guilty of teaching my son to hold in his pain
("Boys don't cry", "Are you a baby or a Big boy", "shake it of and don't cry")

so since this is the way we raise our men(children), ladies,
Why do we get hurt when they grow up and some how think that if they really tell you how they truly feel they will spontaneously combust or something?

Actually I guess this should have went on the ladies forum, sorry, Ape you just made me realize something and I wanted to let you know.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by blu_theatrics:
You really just made me think about myself
I agree with this statement so much and I must even say that I am guilty of teaching my son to hold in his pain
("Boys don't cry", "Are you a baby or a Big boy", "shake it of and don't cry")

so since this is the way we raise our men(children), ladies,
Why do we get hurt when they grow up and some how think that if they really tell you how they truly feel they will spontaneously combust or something?

Actually I guess this should have went on the ladies forum, sorry, Ape you just made me realize something and I wanted to let you know.

Tell our sistas this too: Make it easy for a man to tell you the truth, AND HE WILL!


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[Sexy Mocha]

Whether it's easy or not, telling the truth is always the best bet.

[SkegeeGirl]

This is a really interesting topic!

Sexy Mocha--they ain't feeling us Gemini's. Maybe that's why I'm still single. OKKKAAAYY...lol!

My major problem (I know that Sexy Mocha can attest to this being a Gemini and all) is that with a Gemini, you never have to guess with her. Everything is straight- forward...ain't cuttin no corners!!LOL~

What I really want is a man who understands me and accepts me for all that I am. And what I have found in dating is that some men like for a woman to be "submissive" and one who does not offer opposition to the things that he may do wrong.

But back to the issue at hand!
A real good woman is god fearing and wants the same in a man,
listens to what her man has to say before flying off the handle (even if you feel it is full of BS),
...knows that she cannot change a man, no matter how hard she tries,
...is a secure within and does not see other women as a threat to the relationship (but men this deal works 50/50)
...makes decisions in the relationship (and even on the first date for that matter)- and is not a doormat.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by SkegeeGirl:
This is a really interesting topic!

Sexy Mocha--they ain't feeling us Gemini's. Maybe that's why I'm still single. OKKKAAAYY...lol!

My major problem (I know that Sexy Mocha can attest to this being a Gemini and all) is that with a Gemini, you never have to guess with her. Everything is straight- forward...ain't cuttin no corners!!LOL~

What I really want is a man who understands me and accepts me for all that I am. And what I have found in dating is that some men like for a woman to be "submissive" and one who does not offer opposition to the things that he may do wrong.

But back to the issue at hand!
A real good woman is god fearing and wants the same in a man,
listens to what her man has to say before flying off the handle (even if you feel it is full of BS),
...knows that she cannot change a man, no matter how hard she tries,
...is a secure within and does not see other women as a threat to the relationship (but men this deal works 50/50)
...makes decisions in the relationship (and even on the first date for that matter)- and is not a doormat.

Sweetheart; we KNOW you are no doormat. Intelligence shines know matter how hard you try to hide it! You are single by choice because, perhaps, your attention span is too short. You probably get bored very quickly, and the men you see probably has some routine you're tired of. I freely admit I could be wrong, but that's the impression I get.

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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Whether it's easy or not, telling the truth is always the best bet.

true dat, true dat.

[Sexy Mocha]

SkegeeGirl, I can definitely attest to ALL that you have said!! I'm looking for the same things in a man girl! Is it too much to ask for?!?
Original Ape, I don't how you do it...but you have hit it right on the nose again! Geminis are notorious for getting bored too easily with the oppposite sex. Most of us are subconciously scared of commitment, which is why, when the relationship is going good, we suddenly want out...using the excuse that we NEED someone new/different. (Or is it just me?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif
*sigh* It's not easy being a gemini.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
You have never lied! People ARE less willing to work hard to make the relationship work these days. The initial attraction is always a pretty good indication of how deep the relationship will be... which is why relationships like that never endure,because it's based on something superficial from the start. What puzzles me is this... How does one truly know if the relationship is worth the extra effort and time? I have seen it plenty of times where a woman/man has been involved with someone for two years plus, just to have the relationship end. Are we supposed to look at it as one of life's many lessons and move on or after a certain time span of being with someone are we SUPPOSED to stick it out? Want to hear my philosophy on life? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I believe life is a series of tests that we are put through. The reasons some of us find ourselves going through the same problems over and over is because we haven't learned the lesson God is trying to teach us. (We keep failing the test.) Once we as men/women learn that no relationship will work without some good hard work, then maybe our generation can start having the relationships/marriages that last for 40, 50 years plus like our grandparents and great grandparents enjoyed!

I agree with everything you said.

One way to tell if it's worth staying is to see if you're still invited to spend "cheap" time with him. Know what I mean? If he's willing to take you with him to all kinds of places.

Another way is watching what happens when yall disagree with each other. Do you flip a coin, or does either of you just say"____ it!" If yall solve yall's problems by making concessions to each other, IT'S STILL WORTH IT. If you play the pride game-simply wait it out-it's time to go.

Remember. Us brothas are raised to keep our emotions to ourselves...expressing pain or pleasure is the act of the weak.

[blu_theatrics]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Most of us are subconciously scared of commitment, which is why, when the relationship is going good, we suddenly want out...using the excuse that we NEED someone new/different. (Or is it just me?? http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/confused.gif
*sigh* It's not easy being a gemini.

Can I get an AMEN please

[SkegeeGirl]

Original Ape...you are so CORRECT...I just had to laugh when I read your post because I have never had someone just read me...lol. In fact I do get bored with the same routine. I may in fact be single by choice but I like variety. Hope that doesn't sound too "loose" if ya know what I mean...LOL!!

Sexy Mocha...just like you said, it ain't easy being a Gemini. Sometimes we want to bothered with a man (all cuddled up) and sometimes we just want to be left alone. We are afraid of commitment because we know that we will soon get bored. We don't commit because we are sparing the man's feelings.

As a Gemini, I have found that alot of guys are drawn to us and at times think that there is more to "our" relationship/friendship than what meets the eye. I have found myself sitting up there like "Damn, where did he get this idea from"...all I was doing was being friendly.
Girl, I know that you can attest to this also...We unconciously flirt...lol...and it's really harmless and part of our nature but some guys take that as a sign that we are coming on to them.

Oh gosh, this is such a confusing topic. A Gemini is two people in one. Our decisions and "tastes" change in the blink of an eye. This is true for our decisions and taste in men , food, clothes...etc.

Original Ape, thanks for your post. It was right on point and on time.

[This message has been edited by SkegeeGirl (edited July 30, 2000).]

[SkegeeGirl]

Girl, I agree...lol...
You had me rollin with your post. And I agree that if my family didn't love me unconditionally...lawd...where would I be.OKKKKAAAY!!

[Sexy Mocha]

Skegee girl, now there's what I need! A man that will love me unconditionally, with all of my mood swings, different personalities, etc...I think I just need to go ahead and hook up with another gemini. At least that way I know he won't trip about anything because he'll be the same way!

[darling1]

THANK YOU ORIGINAL!!!!!! HEY MOCHA, HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN E-MAIL FROM YA' http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif. HOPE ALL IS WELL.

SISTAS KEEP YA HEADS UP!!!

[Sexy Mocha]

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

It is ever so comforting to hear that it's not just me!! It is so hard to get people to understand us. It's a good thing my friends and family do love me unconditionally, because if they didn't...hmmm
Anyway, I actually laughed too when I read Original ape's post because he casually, CORRECTLY read us...when people that could have known us for years still don't have a clue why we are the way we are! (I don't think we know why we are the way we are!!) Girl, maybe we need to start an entire topic on geminis!

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Skegee girl, now there's what I need! A man that will love me unconditionally, with all of my mood swings, different personalities, etc...I think I just need to go ahead and hook up with another gemini. At least that way I know he won't trip about anything because he'll be the same way!

He will NEVER be the "same way" because he's a HE. There may be some ideasynchrosies the both of you share, but the ones you share may be the ones you view as negative. It's purely a gender thing. Remember: you have never been a man; and he has never been a woman. Because of this fact, we(us men) will always have trouble "feeling" the things yall perceive as problems. Yall have to perservere-if you want us-just as we do if we want yall.

If you find merit in Astrology, check out a Leo, or an Aries for a mate. You may like the way we think.


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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Skegee girl, now there's what I need! A man that will love me unconditionally, with all of my mood swings, different personalities, etc...I think I just need to go ahead and hook up with another gemini. At least that way I know he won't trip about anything because he'll be the same way!

He will NEVER be the "same way" because he's a HE. There may be some ideasynchrosies the both of you share, but the ones you share may be the ones you view as negative. It's purely a gender thing. Remember: you have never been a man; and he has never been a woman. Because of this fact, we(us men) will always have trouble "feeling" the things yall perceive as problems. Yall have to perservere-if you want us-just as we do if we want yall.

If you find merit in Astrology, check out a Leo, or an Aries for a mate. You may like the way we think.


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[blu_theatrics]

Believe me as a Gemini wha has been with a Gemini it is total Kaos (sp).

But we are still the best of friends as "just friends"
Originally posted by The Original Ape:
He will NEVER be the "same way" because he's a HE. There may be some ideasynchrosies the both of you share, but the ones you share may be the ones you view as negative. It's purely a gender thing. Remember: you have never been a man; and he has never been a woman. Because of this fact, we(us men) will always have trouble "feeling" the things yall perceive as problems. Yall have to perservere-if you want us-just as we do if we want yall.

If you find merit in Astrology, check out a Leo, or an Aries for a mate. You may like the way we think.

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by blu_theatrics:
Believe me as a Gemini wha has been with a Gemini it is total Kaos (sp).

But we are still the best of friends as "just friends"


Well sista, that's good.

I noticed yall use these codes when yall write; are strictly for yall? What does lol mean?

[Intensify]

I'm feelin all of the replies that I've read so far...I just gotta put my 3 cents in here.

A REAL good woman would..

Know who she is before entering a relationship and be happy with it. She would not let a MAN define who she is or is not supposed to be.

Add her many talents to the already lucrative ones of her partner. You can do bad by yourself; but, two great minds are better than one.

Not play head games. This is a fact of dating life that we all must deal with but not being the cause of it will reduce the chances of it doing a lot of damage.

And, So....there you have it!!! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif


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Be true to yourself and the rest will fall into place......

[Dexter]

A real good woman would want to put her man's happiness before hers. A good woman would bring you a rose at the end of a hard days at the office just because. A good woman would support her man as he works hard to pursue his dream. A good woman has her man's back when trouble comes around. A good woman would give her life to ensure that her children will never go hungry. A good woman would do anything in her power to protect her children from harm. A good woman never turns her back on her man because of petty arguments. A good woman would let her man know how much she loves him everyday of her life. My good woman is Jermaine a.k.a. ryanzmom. love you babe!!!

DEX

[Sexy Mocha]

Intensify, Very well said!
Original, I believe there is something to the astrology thing...and after the total chaos Blu_theatrics has described, I think I will try a Leo. I hear Aries men are mean, so unless I see otherwise I think I'll hold off on them for now!
Darling1...Hey girl!!! I'll be e-mailing you today so we can get our talk on! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Sexy Mocha]

Darling1, I just e-mailed you http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[Intensify]

I'm feeling you on the astrological tip, and thank you for the back up, Sexy Mocha!! Not to be biased, but, I am a Leo (Lioness, if you will) and it has been said that we make some of the best companions. I have had much success with cancer men, libra men, pisces men, and leo men.

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Be true to yourself and the rest will fall into place......

[Sexy Mocha]

Intensity,I Got ya! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gifI don't have to be told twice...Calling All Leo Men...Calling All Leo Men....!!!!! LOL

[Sexy Mocha]

OOPS! I mispelled your name Intensify!
By the way original Ape, LOL stands for laugh out loud http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Intensify, Very well said!
Original, I believe there is something to the astrology thing...and after the total chaos Blu_theatrics has described, I think I will try a Leo. I hear Aries men are mean, so unless I see otherwise I think I'll hold off on them for now!
Darling1...Hey girl!!! I'll be e-mailing you today so we can get our talk on! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Hi Sexy!

I think you're on the right track with the idea of dating a Leo. I heard leo and gemini were made for each other. WE have just the right chemistry to make yall WANT to slow down and pay attention! Aint that right Clippy!

Intensify; I like the way you think too.

'Bout time, Bruh!!!!!!! When I posted that, I did it to find out what the Bruhs think! THEN everybody else. NO DISRESPECT intended.

[Sexy Mocha]

Original, I definitely think you have something there! I mean, you've been right about everything so far...I don't think there's anyway I could disagree with you!! I'm going to check my horoscope right now! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Ice Cold Kreator]

while i know that the session has moved far beyond the orignial question and we're on an astrological tip...(incidentally I'm a Libra...and were very exciting to be with, as well as very loyal), I would like to address it

in any case...I think that a good woman would not only support her man in his endeavors (as he should she) but also she should not be afraid to call her man out when he's wrong (not in a "Lequesha" kinda way, but in a loving and caring manner)

A good woman should endeavor to keep a relationship surprising and pleasing...just like she expects from a man....

A good woman should not see sex as the only surprise she has to offer...

A good woman should be willing to trust before she suspects something wrong/someone else...

A good woman should be (above all things) GOD fearing...and forgiving

A good woman should expect to be treated like the Queen she is...but should also treat her man like a King.

just some of the things that I think should exist...

just my .06 cents

A PHI,

Ice Cold Kreator

[This message has been edited by Ice Cold Kreator (edited August 01, 2000).]

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
On the issue of trust, do you think one can truly learn to trust again after being cheated on or lied to? Just curious.
Original, I looked up geminis and leos in an astrology web page...to see what it says about compatibility...one of the things I found interesting was " Leo is absolutely wild and extravagant expressing wild passion, scaring poor gemini to distraction". I don't quite understand the last part of that statement, but the rest of the things it stated sounded like something I could definitely deal with http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

On part I: Yes, I do. It would take a special kind of woman/man, with a special kind of love for that to happen. I guess the best way to say that is: you would have to be in love with the person-and they with you-in order for it to only happen ONCE. Then, you would have to prepare yourself for the pain of the true answer to the question you would ask: WHY? To trully get by all this, you would have to accept his/her answer-regardless of what it is. As I mentioned earlier, MAKE IT EASY FOR A MAN/WOMAN TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND HE/SHE WILL.

Part II

I think they were referring to our delivery of how we feel when it's real. Some leos are REAL SHOWOFFS; and you might be taken by how far we'll go to let the world know that we love somebody. That's all.

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[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Ice Cold Kreator:
while i know that the session has moved far beyond the orignial question and we're on an astrological tip...(incidentally I'm a Libra...and were very exciting to be with, as well as very loyal), I would like to address it

in any case...I think that a good woman would not only support her man in his endeavors (as he should she) but also she should not be afraid to call her man out when he's wrong (not in a "Lequesha" kinda way, but in a loving and caring manner)

A good woman should endeavor to keep a relationship surprising and pleasing...just like she expects from a man....

A good woman should not see sex as the only surprise she has to offer...

A good woman should be willing to trust before she suspects something wrong/someone else...

A good woman should be (above all things) GOD fearing...and forgiving

A good woman should expect to be treated like the Queen she is...but should also treat her man like a King.

just some of the things that I think should exist...

just my .06 cents

A PHI,

Ice Cold Kreator

[This message has been edited by Ice Cold Kreator (edited August 01, 2000).]

I just checked it.
Spoken like a true bruh!!!!!!!

A-Phi!!!!!!!

[Sexy Mocha]

I have been meaning to commend all of the men (all 3 of you) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif...that have posted such meaningful and thoughtful replies to this particular subject...you'll be happy to know you have restored my faith in men. I was beginning to think that a good, god-fearing, considerate man was fast becoming extinct. I now realize that this creature stll exists (maybe not in Brooklyn), but they do exist nonetheless. Maybe you guys should seriously consider leaving your brains/DNA samples to science so that we, as a society, can somehow figure out how to clone you (it worked with the sheeps)...this way, every woman in the world will have her very own prince charming!

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Original, I definitely think you have something there! I mean, you've been right about everything so far...I don't think there's anyway I could disagree with you!! I'm going to check my horoscope right now! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Let me know if you need an INTERPRETATION :-)

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[Sexy Mocha]

On the issue of trust, do you think one can truly learn to trust again after being cheated on or lied to? Just curious.
Original, I looked up geminis and leos in an astrology web page...to see what it says about compatibility...one of the things I found interesting was " Leo is absolutely wild and extravagant expressing wild passion, scaring poor gemini to distraction". I don't quite understand the last part of that statement, but the rest of the things it stated sounded like something I could definitely deal with http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
I have been meaning to commend all of the men (all 3 of you) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif...that have posted such meaningful and thoughtful replies to this particular subject...you'll be happy to know you have restored my faith in men. I was beginning to think that a good, god-fearing, considerate man was fast becoming extinct. I now realize that this creature stll exists (maybe not in Brooklyn), but they do exist nonetheless. Maybe you guys should seriously consider leaving your brains/DNA samples to science so that we, as a society, can somehow figure out how to clone you (it worked with the sheeps)...this way, every woman in the world will have her very own prince charming!

Thanks for the flower, Sexy. The impressions are mutual.

[Sexy Mocha]

Thanks! You have such a way with words! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Thanks! You have such a way with words! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Everyone does when they speak from the heart!

[Sexy Mocha]

Original, where are you from?

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha:
Original, where are you from?

I'm originally from DC but today I live in Akron, Ohio.

Go to dog3tony@netscape.net

[AKA2D '91]

Ice Cold...I am a Libra, too. October 20th!!!
What about you?

[LadyAKA]

APHIA forum blowing UP!! It took me awhile to read all these post, I am mad yall did not invite me sooner http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif
Anyway, I took in all that was said and I liked Original Ape's first post when you finally answered the question I also liked key ideas that thatgirl and S. Mocha made.
I, however, wanted to comment on Dexter's post (boy I know you and wifey are in love) but I hope you meant to add and you/THE MAN will do the same for her
and your children. I liked what you said but wanted to make sure it was reciprocal.

And Professor WHY COME, you did not answer yet, you be holding out, is your new girl reading these post http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif ... you know it's all love.

peace!!

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by LadyAKA:
APHIA forum blowing UP!! It took me awhile to read all these post, I am mad yall did not invite me sooner http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif
Anyway, I took in all that was said and I liked Original Ape's first post when you finally answered the question I also liked key ideas that thatgirl and S. Mocha made.
I, however, wanted to comment on Dexter's post (boy I know you and wifey are in love) but I hope you meant to add and you/THE MAN will do the same for her
and your children. I liked what you said but wanted to make sure it was reciprocal.

And Professor WHY COME, you did not answer yet, you be holding out, is your new girl reading these post http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif ... you know it's all love.

peace!!

Thank you LadyAKA!

[FlyPhi]

Why is it that almost all of the replys to A real good woman would.... involve men?

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Don't look to the future
or dwell in the past
But live for the moment
and long it will last

[FlyPhi]

Why is it that almost all of the answers to A real good woman would.... involve men?

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Don't look to the future
or dwell in the past
But live for the moment
and long it will last

[LadyAKA]

I think most took it that Frat 'Original Ape' was motioning us towards the idea of a good woman in a relationship, but you are right it does not state that specifically... I am sure from the answers you have seen that there are signs in here that prove a good women is intelligent, humorous, fun-loving, caring, open-minded confident and independent and perhaps does not need a man at all!!
Anyone else care to elaborate??

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by FlyPhi:
Why is it that almost all of the answers to A real good woman would.... involve men?


The original question involved men. I am aware of the fact that there are women out there that presently, and by choice, are not involved; but they have experiences, and can answer the question too. I just wish more brothas would've responded.

[Dexter]

Mrs. Lady AKA, Yes by all means I do the same for her, not because she said some good things about me(previous AKA thread), but because she is my inspiration, my heart and my love 4ever!!

[Dexter]

Lady AKA, I meant every word that I said when I described my perfect lady. Of course I do all of that for her. Not because she said some nice things about me(previous AKA thread), but because she is my inspiration and my life.

[AKA2D '91]

That's my girl!!!!!

Dexter, when I grow up, I want to be just like the two of you... http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

[ryanzmom]

AKA-

Girl you are sick!! You are grown up miss and you know y'all are the same way. I seem to recall someone giving me the boot because she was expecting a phone call, but I don't want to call anyone out! LOL!!

Take Care Girl,

ryanzmom

[AKA2D '91]

I remember! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/redface.gif

NOW, I don't have to do that! I can surf on the net AND talk on the phone at the same time! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif lol

Anyway, what you two share seems remarkable and I hope to be the same way one day!

Later
AKA2D91

[CrimsonTide4]

A real good woman stands up for herself, loves herself and her man, prays for her man when he can't pray for himself, and stands on her own two feet.

A good woman does ALL of THIS and MORE!:D

[The Original Ape]

not give up a proven man just because he's suspected of gettin' wit anutha chick!:D

[AKA2D '91]

:confused:

What if what she suspects is true? Is she NOT to give up on him?

:confused:





:eek:

[Dexter]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
:confused:

What if what she suspects is true? Is she NOT to give up on him?

:confused:





:eek:

That question can only be answered by that specific woman. If she loves him enough to forgive him and learn to trust him again then the answer is No. But if she is hurt badly enough to the point where she'll always be suspicious of him, then let him
go girl.

[AKA2D '91]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder if the tables were turned would HE even think about forgiving her or trusting her AGAIN?

:confused:

:rolleyes:

[fatto]

HELL NO!!!

[The Original Ape]

AKA2D '91
Moderator

Registered: Apr 2000
Location: LA
Posts: 3454

What if what she suspects is true? Is she NOT to give up on him?

IS THE PAIN GREATA THAN THE PLEASURE? ;)

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by fatto
HELL NO!!!

I didn't think so! :rolleyes:

OA: NO COMMENT! :rolleyes:
Check what out?

[#2 Cool Breeze]

Originally posted by Sexy Mocha
LOL! ThatGirl, your points are INDEED valid! If ever the truth was told, you just told it. Talk about putting on airs!! I think that's why I can't stay in a good relationship for more than a few months! I'm a gemini (moody, split personality, etc.), anyway, when I meet a guy...of course I don't want him to see this side of me (not yet anyway), so I just act as sweet as a peach pie...then after a couple of weeks, my true self emerges and they have the nerve to trip http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif They're all like "Dam girl! What happened to that nice, sweet young lady I met?!?" Then my head turns 360 degrees (think Exorcist) and I say " She's no longer here" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Your post has got me to thinking, maybe if I keep it real from the beginning....hmmmmm.

Why not? Perhaps if he saw that side of you first then you/you all would either not waste time and go seperate ways from jump or really dig that.... it's best to know what a person is getting into so that he/she can either accept it or keep rollin.. saves a lot of time.energy, and pain....ya dig!! I'm a gemini and I don't hide the fact that I can be moody.... most times, it's one of my biggest attributes, it adds flavor/spice to the relationship...

[ENDROAD]

Originally posted by tickledpink
*...be God-fearing.

*...be a very good listener. She listens to her man express his feelings & talk about his day because she understands that it's tough to try to "carry the weight of the world" on his shoulders.

*...be able to express her concerns without making her man feel like anything less than a man.

*...be an excellent mother. Her man knows that their children will be well-educated (in book and common sense) because of her. She is someone that he hopes his daughter will grow up to be like.

*...is self confident and understands that she does not need a man to define who she is. If she's learned this love and appreciation of herself, she'll be able to make a healthy contribution to a relationship.

*...not be bitter. Although she's suffered the wrath of the dog, she's completely healed from that relationship, understands that every man is not the same, and will not punish every brother she meets for the stupidity of one.

*...have a brain and use it well. She's no body's fool.

*...will have her man's back through thick and thin. When all the money's gone and his "boys" don't come around anymore, she's still there and she still loves him.



Now that was an answer. I wake up every moring trying to be this kind of REAL woman.

[Jamal5000]

...embody 1 Timothy 2: 9-10 and 1 Peter 3:3-6.


Have a great week everyone!
:)

[Blue_Passion_01]

A real good woman would be down for her man through thick and thin. A good woman would do what it takes to keep the fire and desire. A real good woman would be independane and depend on no one but herself. A real good woman would never use the "exclusive" we but the inclusive "we" when it comes down to her relationship. A real good woman is God-fearing, charasmatic, emotion, down-to-earth, honest, true, motivated, and sincere.

That is what a real good woman is to me.....

What do you think?

[BigBoy]

Work hard for God, herself and then her family.

[ivygirl]

ALPHA KAPPA ALPHA WOMAN

I agree with sister a real woman is a woman of character

[The Original Ape]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
:confused:

What if what she suspects is true? Is she NOT to give up on him?

:confused:


If what she suspects is true, you can't give up what aint yours! sorry:(





:eek:

[korkscru]

Wow, this topic is really deep. I just wish that I had responded sooner. What was the question again? Oh yeah...I don't think that the question is so much what makes a good woman (or man, for that matter). The question is more of what makes a good relationship? I've found that many of my friends (who are not married) tend to have this kind of FANTASY about the PERFECT brother whisking them away into the sunset and they live happily ever after. Let me just tell you, in case you don't know,... IT DON'T WORK LIKE THAT!!!! And I just CAN'T express that enough. BOTH parties in a relationship are coming with BAGGAGE, ISSUES, HABITS,... and anything else that you can think of. I've said this before and now I'm saying it again, we (men and women) haveto be willing to see the POTENTIAL in a possible mate. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE PERFECT MATE!!! I think that in MANY cases, people are not single because they WANT to be or because they're not meeting the RIGHT people, but because they place their expectations TOOOOO high or they just aren't ready for a REAL commitment. We must remember that EVERYONE has STUFF that they are going to take into a relationship. The REAL test is looking BEYOND the trivial stuff (such as his toenails are too long or she snorts when she eats or he bites the fork when he eats, or something like that). :D :D The REAL test is if you are willing to stick with that person and HELP them (SHOW that person that you realize that they have been hurt, but YOU'RE different and willing to SHOW them the RIGHT way that they should be treated). Now this does not mean putting up with "mess" such as excessive cheating or physical abuse. In a lot of cases, it's the LITTLE things that mess up a relationship. I've been with my hubby for almost 11 years and we've grown...TOGETHER. Just when I think that I want to get on my high horse and complain about putting up with HIM, I always remember that he's in this thing too. And, on the same token, HE has to deal with ME (and ALL of my "stuff"). A good woman or man is someone who realizes a relationship is all about what you WANT it to be. They realize that it's about GIVE and TAKE. Forget that 50-50 jazz. It's not going to be that way ALL of the time. Some days you're going to be giving 70 and he/she is going to be giving 30. Some days he/she is going to be giving 80 and YOU'LL be giving 20. And then there will be days when you both will be giving 50. Believe me. I KNOW what I'm talking about. I feel that I have a WONDERFUL marriage (most of the time it doesn't seem as if my husband and I are married). BUT... it took a WHOLE LOT of molding, shaping, cultivating, marinating, conversating, eliminating in order for us to get to even THIS point. We were friends FIRST and we had (and STILL have) a mutual understanding that while we realize that we are ONE in this marriage, we're STILL individuals.

In a nutshell, it's all about what YOU think that a relationship should be along with what the other person wants it to be. And I've found that many people have a FALSE sense of what it means to have a GOOD woman or man.

[thesweetestone]

A Real woman would be herself and dare everyone to except that.:D

[Japera1920]

This topic is hot and heavy...I am a old fashion girl with modern ways. A real woman, would stand by her man through thick and thin. A real woman will help her man up, when he is down at his low ponit. A real woman will encourage her man to be the best that he can be.

A real woman will stay true to herself and others alike. A real woman will be herself. A real woman wil love her herself inside and out. A real woman woulld take her time and not rush. (get my hint). :D

[lovelyivy84]

Originally posted by thesweetestone
A Real woman would be herself and dare everyone to except that.:D

I like that one!

[sphinxpoet]

Understands she is not perfect and only one that can make her happy is herself and is faithful her creeds.

Sphinxpoet

[msbrowneyz]

....let you take out her extensions and then give her a touch up!

It doesn't get more real than that.

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