UF_Pike is not a liar!!! [Archive] - GreekChat.com Forums

cash78mere

11-25-2002, 07:37 PM

this reminds me of all these people who, on september 11th were shocked and outraged about what happened, but once it was out of sight, and the site was cleared up and a year went by, all of a sudden they are making excuses for the taliban. did they forget what happened and how awful it was??? these people who defend 'the american taliban' because he 'had a traumatic childhood' or 'was expressing his free speech' are sickening.

also, it's like those people who defend rapists because "she was dressed too sexy" or "she liked it". ugh--give me a break:mad:

(not that i am directly comparing ufpike and these incidents. rather i am talking about the perspective of people defending this loser. obviously 9/11 and a rapist are much different than ufpike so don't even go there)

i don't give a crap whether ufpike is a pike or went to uf, he is degrading and rude, to say the least. how do you suddenly forget all that was said and go to 'defend' him and be proud of yourself?

out of sight, out of mind.

Unregistered-

11-25-2002, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by IowaHawkeye
The Chit Chat Mods are going to allow this thread to say open - it's only fair that UF_Pike be given the shot to clear his name.

But DO NOT test us with out of line posts, defamatory comments, and disrespect towards fellow posters. BEHAVE :mad:

We WILL NOT HESITATE in deleting your post and/or locking this thread.

I too am curious as to what he has to say. Here's his chance to clear his name...I just hope that he doesn't abuse it by resorting to name calling and saying the insulting things he's used to. That's how he got here in the first place.

DeltAlum

11-25-2002, 07:48 PM

UDZeta,

It might be nice to let everyone know how you reached your conclusion, since now we apparantely have an alumni you talked to saying he is a member, and the sitting president of the chapter saying he isn't.

It's the classic his word against his.

If anyone still cares either way.

Thank you.

Kevin

11-25-2002, 08:04 PM

Usually the new chapter would have very little to do with the members of a chapter that was suspended. It's done that way by design.

alphaiota

11-25-2002, 08:21 PM

whether it's true or not, i don't really care. i'm somewhat happy to see that he's been stopped. after the things he said about me/to me on a particular thread, basically bashing me personally for my weight simply b/c i reported his extremely threatening post, well can't say i miss him.

shelley j
sigma k

damasa

11-25-2002, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by UDZETA
UF_Pike is cleared!! He is an alumni of PKA. It was confirmed to me by another alumni. If you want more details PM me. I will let you know more about how I solved this issue. To the two who started the other post I want to know how you went about to get your information. UF_Pike was not lying. I think some of you own him an apology.

For the sake of discussion, since you are asking the "other two" how the went about their information, how about you share how you got yours as well?

You know, to gain "equality" and whatnot.

LeslieAGD

11-25-2002, 09:36 PM

Did this really need a thread of it's own?!?
Couldn't you have posted this in one of the MANY existing threads about UF_Pike?
I'm so sick of reading about him. :rolleyes:

Shine

11-25-2002, 09:49 PM

He may not be a proven liar, but he is a proven jerk.

POINT BLANK

I could care less if he is/was a Pike, and I could care less if he goes/went to UF.

I do care that he has made threatening sexual comments to women on this site. I care that he posts threads insulting women of size. I do care that he insults and stereotypes an entire sorority of women at UF calling them sluts and other derrogatory names. I care that he talks about doing drugs and sexual debauchery, and that does nothing but further the many bad stereotypes of greeks and greek life.

Those are the things that are important. Who REALLY cares if he's an ABC at BSU or a GDI at UBS. What's important is his ACTIONS.

UDZETA

11-25-2002, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by LeslieAGD
Did this really need a thread of it's own?!?
Couldn't you have posted this in one of the MANY existing threads about UF_Pike?
I'm so sick of reading about him. :rolleyes: If you don't like the thread then don't read it. I don't understand why people post things like this? Don't take this the wrong way either. If you don't like, stay away from it.

UDZETA

11-25-2002, 09:56 PM

First off I went to the PKA website to get the names of the alumni in Florida. I e-mailed all of them and told them of the situation that was going on greek chat. I had a few replies. The only problem is I wanted to make sure I had the correct name. Because a lot of people do not use their real name on the internet. This is when I had to e-mail UF_Pike. (Now I must admit I began to doubt UF_Pike. I really thought I had been fooled by him and I wanted to find out if he really is who he said he was. I don't like to be lied to but I am also not going to believe anything I hear.) I had spoke to him many times before this ever happened and I asked him what his name really was. He was not using his real last name but he wanted to help me prove he was not a liar so he gave my his real name. Which was confirmed by the School he was at and an alumni of PKA. The alumni e-mailed me back and confirmed that UF_Pike is really who he says he is. I saved all the e-mails as proof. I can forward the e-mails to you if you would like. According to this alumni he has not be in trouble for any harassment. If you want more information PM me.

Tom Earp

11-25-2002, 10:01 PM

UDZETA, thank you for the investigative report! I know it took a lot of hard work!

I think what everyone means is now we know he is a PIKE.

But never the less, what he has been saying on GC is totally uncalled for!

If I was PKA Brother of his , I would be embarresed as hell and very resentful as this does show what kind of men the PIKES are!

crystalline

11-25-2002, 10:02 PM

Awesome work UDZETA! I PMed you btw..

Shine

11-25-2002, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by UDZETA
First off I went to the PKA website to get the names of the alumni in Florida. I e-mailed all of them and told them of the situation that was going on greek chat. I had a few replies. The only problem is I wanted to make sure I had the correct name. Because a lot of people do not use their real name on the internet. This is when I had to e-mail UF_Pike. (Now I must admit I began to doubt UF_Pike. I really thought I had been fooled by him and I wanted to find out if he really is who he said he was. I don't like to be lied to but I am also not going to believe anything I hear.) I had spoke to him many times before this ever happened and I asked him what his name really was. He was not using his real last name but he wanted to help me prove he was not a liar so he gave my his real name. Which was confirmed by the School he was at and an alumni of PKA. The alumni e-mailed me back and confirmed that UF_Pike is really who he says he is. I saved all the e-mails as proof. I can forward the e-mails to you if you would like. According to this alumni he has not be in trouble for any harassment. If you want more information PM me.

How do you know that UF Pike didn't do the same thing you did and pick some random name off the PKA Alumni list and tell you that was his name?

IowaHawkeye

11-25-2002, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by Shine

How do you know that UF Pike didn't do the same thing you did and pick some random name off the PKA Alumni list and tell you that was his name?

:cool: just to play devils advocate - thats exactly what i was thinking....

alphaiota

11-25-2002, 10:08 PM

so he really is a Pike, well too bad for them. i'm just really surprised that this has become such an issue. it's sad that he has represented PKA in such an awful light, not to mention himself.
if you want to say he's really a great guy and he's just got a weird sense of humor, well that's nice. but the way he has represented himself in gc, which by the way is how we start to get to know people on the internet anyways, then how are we suppose to know he's a "good guy". all he's done is act a fool on this site and offended nearly everyone. so i'm sorry i can't say that first impressions have been all that great. as far as i'm concerned good ridens.

shelley j
sigma k

crystalline

11-25-2002, 10:09 PM

I noticed on this site for just about all posts, it says "IP logged". Therefore it is possible for the moderators to trace him, at least to his ISP. They would have a record of who had been assigned that IP, and deal with him accordingly.

UDZETA

11-25-2002, 10:15 PM

Luis Moreno,
Hello my name is Kylea Corbin and I am a sister of ZTA. I am apart of a greek chat group on line called www.greekchat.com. There is a question about one of the members of this chat group. There are people claiming he is not apart of PKA. He says he is an alumni. If he is a fake he will be banned from the chat group. The person in question is Craig XXXXXX he went to UF but he also switched school but the school was still in Florida. Could you please confirm or not confirm if he was a member of PKA. You can reach me at XXXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com..
Thank you,
Kylea XXXXXXX

First e-mail
I am curious as to how you have my email address?

Frankly, I am not sure who this guy is? If the issue is indeed serious, I can
confirm his "true" Pike identity, if it even exists? However, I would like to
know where and how my email address came up?

Please advise.

Thanks.

L. Moreno
PiKA Chapter President 1999-2000 (FIU)
I told him I got his e-mail from the PKA web-site and explained the situation about UF_Pike

Second e-mail
Can you talk to me a little bit about this website and the issue at hand? Also,
about the seriousness behind his false identity.

Please respond via email or phone call.
904.XXX.XXXX
Thanks,

LM
L.Moreno
I know I told you before that his last name was XXXXXX it is not. His real last name is XXXXXX. This information was just givin to me. Craig e-mailed me telling me he does not like to use his real last name on the internet and that is why he used a different last name. Will you be able to confirm his membership for me? I did e-mail others but they have not responded yet. You are one of the only ones that has responded to my e-mails. Your help in this matter is greatly appreciated. I'm hoping you will be able to help me in this search.
Thank you for your time and effort.
Kylea XXXXXXX

Third e-mail
Yes, I will confirm that.

Thanks,

LM

Rudey

11-25-2002, 10:15 PM

OK, I decided to have my own investigation. I think you can tell a lot about a person by their nipple size. Well I don't think any of you girls are who you're claiming to be. This applies especially to the good looking ones - like Michelle of Michelle's Wonderland.

Girls, please take pictures of your breasts and put them on this thread. I want to see a bit of your face, but importantly a whole lot of your breasts. This will help in my investigative verification process.

-Rudey
--I feel like Matlock...except I listen to Pharoah Monch and I'm about to beer up until I'm FUBAR

crystalline

11-25-2002, 10:20 PM

LOL why does face matter?

Shine

11-25-2002, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by UDZETA
Luis Moreno,
Hello my name is Kylea Corbin and I am a sister of ZTA. I am apart of a greek chat group on line called www.greekchat.com. There is a question about one of the members of this chat group. There are people claiming he is not apart of PKA. He says he is an alumni. If he is a fake he will be banned from the chat group. The person in question is Craig XXXXXX he went to UF but he also switched school but the school was still in Florida. Could you please confirm or not confirm if he was a member of PKA. You can reach me at XXXXXXXXXXX@hotmail.com..
Thank you,
Kylea XXXXXXX

First e-mail
I am curious as to how you have my email address?

Frankly, I am not sure who this guy is? If the issue is indeed serious, I can
confirm his "true" Pike identity, if it even exists? However, I would like to
know where and how my email address came up?

Please advise.

Thanks.

L. Moreno
PiKA Chapter President 1999-2000 (FIU)
I told him I got his e-mail from the PKA web-site and explained the situation about UF_Pike

Second e-mail
Can you talk to me a little bit about this website and the issue at hand? Also,
about the seriousness behind his false identity.

Please respond via email or phone call.
904.XXX.XXXX
Thanks,

LM
L.Moreno
I know I told you before that his last name was XXXXXX it is not. His real last name is XXXXXX. This information was just givin to me. Craig e-mailed me telling me he does not like to use his real last name on the internet and that is why he used a different last name. Will you be able to confirm his membership for me? I did e-mail others but they have not responded yet. You are one of the only ones that has responded to my e-mails. Your help in this matter is greatly appreciated. I'm hoping you will be able to help me in this search.
Thank you for your time and effort.
Kylea XXXXXXX

Third e-mail
Yes, I will confirm that.

Thanks,

LM

This STILL doesn't prove that UF_Pike didn't do the same thing you did, and go to a website to look up the name of a PKA alumni to tell you. Of course the name is a real pike. That doesn't mean that UF_Pike is that man.

Like I said above, my issue with him is not whether or not he is a Pike, but what he has said.

But at least if you're going to do a credible "investigation" you should not get your "proof" and information from the person you are investigating.

UDZETA

11-25-2002, 10:24 PM

Shine,
The only list of alumni on the PKA web site were the point of contacts for each area. You can't look up all the names of the alumni.

UDZETA

11-25-2002, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Rudey
OK, I decided to have my own investigation. I think you can tell a lot about a person by their nipple size. Well I don't think any of you girls are who you're claiming to be. This applies especially to the good looking ones - like Michelle of Michelle's Wonderland.

Girls, please take pictures of your breasts and put them on this thread. I want to see a bit of your face, but importantly a whole lot of your breasts. This will help in my investigative verification process.

-Rudey
--I feel like Matlock...except I listen to Pharoah Monch and I'm about to beer up until I'm FUBAR That is uncalled for, funny, but uncalled for.

Shine

11-25-2002, 10:26 PM

I'm just saying, the fact that he has given 2 different last names is suspect. How do we know what he has said is truth when he keeps changing his story?

Maybe he did know a Craig XXX at UF that was a Pike and he took that name to give to you.

Does it really matter?

Why are you sticking your neck out for this guy who says one thing one day, and another thing the next?

His story keeps changing, darling, and that doesn't give him very much credibility.

alphaiota

11-25-2002, 10:27 PM

face doesn't really matter much. he's just trying to sound nice.........and professional:p
don't think my boobs would actually fit on camera.
i totally dare someone to post a pic like that.

shelley j
sigma k

Hootie

11-25-2002, 11:15 PM

UDZeta,
I am glad you are sticking up for something you believe in. It shows strength and courage. HOWEVER, I do not agree with what you wrote: that if a person doesn't like what he posts then don't read it.
Far too many times civilized threads were discussed and he stormed in making rude and uncalled for remarks. One can't HELP but read and want to defend themselves. Furthermore, I may have never been pointed out or insulted by, but I do recall plenty of women who HAVE been and then some of his faithful followers (you also) just laughed it off.
He has hurt one too many people. And THAT is what I'm concerned with. When women are emailing moderators showing PM's that he's written and the obvious threads, it's a little overbearing for us to sit back and give him the benefit of the doubt.
I recall in that thread that was started in Chit Chat about girls who like UF Pike (can't remember the exact name), he took a PERSONAL slam to Stevie. I was the ONLY ONE who backed her up. I don't even talk to her, but I felt compelled to stop that sort of name calling. And so after a few posts, and then some PM's, Craig and I saw eye to eye. But still, there have been many other times his posts have offended people.

I'm just trying to make a clear point as to why people are up in arms about him. I don't care if he's a Pike, Tke, Kappa Sig or a GDI. His behaviors have gone on further than the V's!!!!!

This needs to stop!

KSig RC

11-26-2002, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by Rudey
-Rudey
--I feel like Matlock...except I listen to Pharoah Monch and I'm about to beer up until I'm FUBAR

d00d, matlock was into pharoah monch in like 94, way before he got popular and dropped wax with that sellout nate dogg (see: "Oh No" w/ Mos Def).
You R p0zerz r0x0rz and all that crap

chopper816

11-26-2002, 12:16 AM

Ok, so even if he is a pike, like everyone else, what are you trying to prove? that b/c he was telling the truth that hes a pike that he must be the worlds greatest gentleman and everyone that he offended should forgive him. I can admire you standing up for something you believe in, but with all due respect, youre fighting a losing battle.

damasa

11-26-2002, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by UDZETA

Yes, I will confirm that.

Thanks,

LM

LOL, what does this confirm? It seems as though he's telling you he'll look into it!!!

You have been fooled!

xok85xo

11-26-2002, 07:51 AM

actually, didn't he say in a thread a long time ago (i believe it was one that he deleted) that there were like, 3 craigs in his pledge class?(blaine - i think it was when you told him that your cousin was a pike from uf?) he easily could have told you one of their last names udzta..

sounds pretty fishy to me "hi, we've become pretty good friends via the internet.. my last name is XXX ha ha just kidding its XXXXX"

right.

Kevlar281

11-26-2002, 08:25 AM

Sow the Wind, and Reap the Whirlwind.

UDZETA

11-26-2002, 08:35 AM

I have said many times that I said do not agree with UF_Pike views or actions. I do not support that kind of behavior. I just wanted to give him a chance to clear his name if that was even possible. I realize that not everyone is going to believe me or have doubts but just remember you can doubt anyone. The reason I made the comment about not posting on this thread is so many people post things like"get a life"or "this is boring" well if they don't enjoy it is one thing but do they have to post such comments. And I am not telling people, not to post their comments but just try to keep them on topic. I really don't want people taking this the wrong way.

axotiger

11-26-2002, 09:01 AM

oh geez, drama drama drama

AOX81

11-26-2002, 09:02 AM

Who cares? This topic is just getting old!

If he wants to come and defend himself let him. If you don't like him then click the ignore button.

Notice he hasn't been around much lately...

aprilxo

11-26-2002, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by AOX81
Notice he hasn't been around much lately...
Yep and I sure don't blame him. I'd be done with GC too *shrug*

Kevin

11-26-2002, 10:23 AM

Okay... well in light of him being a member of PKA... The only people that should *REALLY* be offended are PKA's... At least the ones I know wouldn't have found him to be exactly a good representative of what they stand for...

Also women that he's directly insulted... you have the right to be offended.

Anyone else can be offended just because he's er... offensive..

But othe than being offensive, what has he really done? Direct threats? I just don't see the argument. I really don't know why these threads keep going. We keep asking for him to come on here and exonerate himself... what from?

lifesaver

11-26-2002, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Hootie

His behaviors have gone on further than the V's!!!!!

LOL. You brought them up.

I have an idea, lets add that drama to this and show the newer GC users just how fun things can get around here. Lets see how many threads we can get locked in one month.

Munchkin03

11-26-2002, 11:46 AM

You know what's really sad?

Everyone says to 'click ignore'. What if the person who annoys you and offends you the most is a moderator? You can't ignore a moderator, even outside of his/her board.

Think before you rattle off.

Dionysus

11-26-2002, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by lifesaver

LOL. You brought them up.

I have an idea, lets add that drama to this and show the newer GC users just how fun things can get around here. Lets see how many threads we can get locked in one month.

Okay!

33girl

11-26-2002, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Munchkin03
You know what's really sad?

Everyone says to 'click ignore'. What if the person who annoys you and offends you the most is a moderator? You can't ignore a moderator, even outside of his/her board.

Think before you rattle off.

what do you mean you can't ignore a mod? I just put xok85xo on my ignore list as an experiment, and my screen is ignoring her posts with glee. (No offense sweetie, you were just the first mod I came across on the thread. :) )

IowaHawkeye

11-26-2002, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by UF_PikePC98

Blaine,

I have to call you out on this one. First, I know this person does not exsit. Why? There are 4 guys in my chapter with the same first name as I, all of which are from the same home town. Second, you do not know my last name, therefore your make believe cousin could not know who I am. You could have came up with something better to try and make me look bad, or something that could not have been proven that you are lying. With that said and proven, then YES you did talk sh*t about my frat. Since there is no way for you to have known which one I am, you made a statement saying that PIKA's attitude is a big front whether you realize it or not. I guess you are SOL. If you retract your statement about PiKA being a front it shows you lied. If you dont and say your cousin said that about me personally, any retard can see you are lying.

P.S.- Just admit to us all that you are lying and I will change the name of my drink to "Cheese Head".

Funny thing is - the orginal post UF_pike declared this in has been DELETED. Good thing Blaine (damasa) always quotes people ;) 4 other craigs from the same hometown. (http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21206&perpage=15&pagenumber=3)

xok85xo

11-26-2002, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by 33girl

what do you mean you can't ignore a mod? I just put xok85xo on my ignore list as an experiment, and my screen is ignoring her posts with glee. (No offense sweetie, you were just the first mod I came across on the thread. :) )

sad day..not nice :( :)

and that was the thread that i was referring to, nicole..but he deleted his posts back when it originated.

Optimist Prime

11-26-2002, 12:22 PM

UF Pike was fun. Did he threaten violence against people??? c

valkyrie

11-26-2002, 01:32 PM

UDZETA, I'm sorry but your "proof" is full of holes. What about all the other Craigs? If he didn't want people to know his real last name, he didn't have to use any name at all, did he? He could've just said "I'm Craig" and that would be enough. Now he's saying he's someone else, using a different name than he did before -- how do you know he's telling the truth? "Oh, I was lying before but I'm telling the truth now" is not really compelling evidence in his favor. He could easily be playing you, girl, switching names when it serves his interest.

Anyway, like most everyone else, I don't care if he is a Pike because, Pike or not, he was beyond disrespectful, especially to women.

My question is for you, UDZETA: why go through all this effort and send all these emails for the benefit of a guy who has been nothing but rude and disrespectful, especially toward women, from the FIRST message he ever posted on greekchat (and yes, I read that first message)? If you are going to say that nothing you have seen him post has been *that* offensive, then I would say to you that you have missed numerous messages that he posted and then deleted -- many of which were very offensive. Why stick up for him? I don't believe that you're doing this just to fight the good fight and stick up for someone who is being horribly wronged by greekchat as a whole. I think there's more going on here.

Anyway, why don't you send his name to Pike headquarters, and see what they have to say about it?

Unregistered-

11-26-2002, 01:42 PM

It's something that I've noticed a LOT in this thread and it's been driving me nuts! And though I could probably get my head chewed off for this, I believe we, as Greek should know the difference [and I know there was a thread about this already]:

alumnus: singular, masculine
Joe Schmoe is an alumnus of XYZ Fraternity at ABC University.

alumni: plural; masculine, also used when describing a group of men and women
Joe and Bob are XYZ alumni.
Bob and Tina are alumni of XYZ university.

alumna: singular, feminine
Mary is a proud alumna of ABC Sorority.

alumnae: plural, feminine
Both mother and daughter are alumnae of ABC Sorority.

Thanks...I just needed to let that out.

wreckingcrew

11-26-2002, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
It's something that I've noticed a LOT in this thread and it's been driving me nuts! And though I could probably get my head chewed off for this, I believe we, as Greek should know the difference [and I know there was a thread about this already]:

alumnus: singular, masculine
Joe Schmoe is an alumnus of XYZ Fraternity at ABC University.

alumni: plural; masculine, also used when describing a group of men and women
Joe and Bob are XYZ alumni.
Bob and Tina are alumni of XYZ university.

alumna: singular, feminine
Mary is a proud alumna of ABC Sorority.

alumnae: plural, feminine
Both mother and daughter are alumnae of ABC Sorority.

Thanks...I just needed to let that out.

Wow, glad we got the grammar police around here to keep us in check :D

Thanks Teeny!!

Kitso
KS 361 times i never knew that i will be an alumnus of Texas A&M not an alumni

James

11-26-2002, 02:44 PM

Valkyrie!

I am surprised that you of all people wouldn't be sympathetic to someone defending a principle.

UDZETA has stated ad nauseum that she doesn't support uf_pike's posts per se, but wanted to find out the truth.

Have you no sympathy for someone that wants to defend a process and give a shot at fairness?

Or does a person's other transgressions make that person deserve less than a fair chance?

Originally posted by valkyrie
UDZETA, I'm sorry but your "proof" is full of holes. What about all the other Craigs? If he didn't want people to know his real last name, he didn't have to use any name at all, did he? He could've just said "I'm Craig" and that would be enough. Now he's saying he's someone else, using a different name than he did before -- how do you know he's telling the truth? "Oh, I was lying before but I'm telling the truth now" is not really compelling evidence in his favor. He could easily be playing you, girl, switching names when it serves his interest.

Anyway, like most everyone else, I don't care if he is a Pike because, Pike or not, he was beyond disrespectful, especially to women.

My question is for you, UDZETA: why go through all this effort and send all these emails for the benefit of a guy who has been nothing but rude and disrespectful, especially toward women, from the FIRST message he ever posted on greekchat (and yes, I read that first message)? If you are going to say that nothing you have seen him post has been *that* offensive, then I would say to you that you have missed numerous messages that he posted and then deleted -- many of which were very offensive. Why stick up for him? I don't believe that you're doing this just to fight the good fight and stick up for someone who is being horribly wronged by greekchat as a whole. I think there's more going on here.

Anyway, why don't you send his name to Pike headquarters, and see what they have to say about it?

James

11-26-2002, 02:55 PM

Can we admit our prejudices now?

I really have to applaud the people that said that it doesn't matter to them whether he is a Pike or not . . that they just don't like the kid.

Thats honest.

But some of the posts here are strange. The same people that were so ready to believe the first "research" are very quick to try and poke holes in UDZETA's work. Even though UDZETA used a much better methodology.

So will many of the rest of you now just admit that you don't like the kid? And that is the sole issue?

Then we can drop all this pretense of intellectual discussion that is filling threads and you can just snipe at him to your hearts content. :)

valkyrie

11-26-2002, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by James
Valkyrie!

I am surprised that you of all people wouldn't be sympathetic to someone defending a principle.

UDZETA has stated ad nauseum that she doesn't support uf_pike's posts per se, but wanted to find out the truth.

Have you no sympathy for someone that wants to defend a process and give a shot at fairness?

Or does a person's other transgressions make that person deserve less than a fair chance?

Honestly, I don't believe she is trying to find out the truth. If she is, she isn't doing a very good job of presenting it to us because, as I and others have mentioned, her "proof" is full of holes. All she has said is that UF Pike said his name was X, then he said his name was Y, and some guy who supposedly was the president of a Pike chapter is going to confirm that Y is or was a member. What does that prove? In my opinion, nothing. It doesn't prove that UF Pike is X or is Y or is anything.

I'm assuming that UDZETA is a college student. It may sound like I'm being harsh, but as someone who is a bit older and with more experience in life, I am actually trying to demonstrate to her that presenting "proof" that really isn't and then saying that (because of said "proof") anyone deserves an apology is not going to fly in the real world. If you're going to say that you have proven something, you better have the evidence to back it up, and I don't think she has presented any compelling evidence to back up her assertion.

I'm all for people defending principles, but if you're going to do it, do it right. That's all I'm saying. I'm also just wondering why UDZETA chose to devote so much time an energy to this particular "principle" as well. If she's going to start a whole thread about it, I think it's a fair question for me to ask.

I also still want to know if she sent his name to Pike headquarters, and what they had to say about it.

And for the record, I have already said that I don't care if he's a Pike and I find him offensive. But that doesn't mean that UDZETA has proven anything.

lifesaver

11-26-2002, 03:01 PM

I have to.

I am so sorry.

But I have to....

Cant we all just get along?

hahahah. Sorry. Just thought it needed to be said somewhere in all this drama.

damasa

11-26-2002, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by James
Can we admit our prejudices now?

I really have to applaud the people that said that it doesn't matter to them whether he is a Pike or not . . that they just don't like the kid.

Thats honest.

But some of the posts here are strange. The same people that were so ready to believe the first "research" are very quick to try and poke holes in UDZETA's work. Even though UDZETA used a much better methodology.

So will many of the rest of you now just admit that you don't like the kid? And that is the sole issue?

Then we can drop all this pretense of intellectual discussion that is filling threads and you can just snipe at him to your hearts content. :)

I said I didn't like him long ago, but still UDZeta has seriously flawed research, seriously. I didn't read anything in those "emails" that stated that she was correct in her research. Besides, how do we know that she wasn't maniuplated by the subject in the first place? That came to my mind really quick while talking to mly cousin about this a LONG time ago. He pretty much thought he had an idea of who he was at first, but then thought that it was more than likely just someone pretending to be a pike. UDzeta claims to "prove uf pike is not a liar." I don't care really but it's funny because it doesn't seem like proof (I'll admit that neither does the "proof" provided by the other researchers.)
If we are using proof via email, let's do it like the courts do. Provide us with ip trace stamps from the origin of the email and proof that the email wasn't manipulated in any way, shape or form. Without this, nobody can really believe any of the "proof" surrounding this issue.

I am still eager to hear "Craig's" response though. If he is innocent, he should stick up for himself. He never seemed to care what people on here thought about him before, so why would he care what they think now? It didn't stop him from replying before....

I don't care if he is a pike or not, it doesn't matter, but I'm glad that he hasn't been around lately...

Now tell us James why you so strongly stand up for him? And don't say that you aren't because you are taking the hard stance against those that "just really don't like him."

James

11-26-2002, 04:02 PM

Damasa,

Simple.

I think he's being ganged up on by people that don't like him much and want him to stop posting.

So they come up up with as you said, flimsy research to try and make the kid look bad.

The theme of the imposter thread was just strange.

However, people should be willing to stand up and argue for fairness and look at whats really going on, because the a lot of GC has been indifferent to uf_pike and are seeing this situation for the first time.

If I had never really payed attention to this whole thing, and my first exposure was that imposter thread, I would have a very bad opinion of uf_pike based on just a few posters.

There is an inherent unfairnes to that.

About him responding. What can he say at this point? We have already determined that the situation has prescious little to do with his Pike status.

So what can he, or should he say in the face of simple animosity?

Can you anwswer that question for me?

I think the ladies involved have a high probability of getting their way in this and the guy will stop posting.

But who will be next?

UDZETA

11-26-2002, 04:02 PM

For all you people out there: YOU DO NOT NEED TO BELIEVE ME! Think what you will but all I wanted to do is look into this a little more. If you don't like him then fine but don't beat up on me because I choose to look into it a little more. This is what I found. If anyone wants to do a better search then go ahead (but who knows if they have all the right information). But from what I have read no one wants to "waste their time" with it. Just remember you can't always believe what you hear. I just wanted to post this thread with what I have found. I'm sorry if it is not up to everyones standards but I wasn't going to "waste too much of my life" as so many say. I can see why UF_pike wouldn't want to come back too. With the comments and treatments I have been getting I'm beginning to wonder myself. I don't like all the personal comments that are un-needed. There is going to be no solution to this problem. People are going to continue to fight over if it is true or not. Believe what you want and be done with it!

UDZETA

11-26-2002, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
It's something that I've noticed a LOT in this thread and it's been driving me nuts! And though I could probably get my head chewed off for this, I believe we, as Greek should know the difference [and I know there was a thread about this already]:

alumnus: singular, masculine
Joe Schmoe is an alumnus of XYZ Fraternity at ABC University.

alumni: plural; masculine, also used when describing a group of men and women
Joe and Bob are XYZ alumni.
Bob and Tina are alumni of XYZ university.

alumna: singular, feminine
Mary is a proud alumna of ABC Sorority.

alumnae: plural, feminine
Both mother and daughter are alumnae of ABC Sorority.

Thanks...I just needed to let that out. Thanks for clearing that up for me! I was wondering about all that.

Unregistered-

11-26-2002, 04:07 PM

NP. Glad I could've been of some help.

I've always found it easiest to say "alum" or "alums", but that's just me.

axotiger

11-26-2002, 04:20 PM

James,
I agree with you.

This is stupid, if someone doesnt like him (or anyone for that matter) ignore him!! I'm pretty new to this site.. but this is just outta hand. In my oppinoin this, is pointless. If someone gets kicks outta getting mulitple screen names and posting stupid stuff... let them be.. whatever! Ignore him and it won't bug ya!

Munchkin03

11-26-2002, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by 33girl

what do you mean you can't ignore a mod? I just put xok85xo on my ignore list as an experiment, and my screen is ignoring her posts with glee. (No offense sweetie, you were just the first mod I came across on the thread. :) )

This is what I mean:

"Sorry XXXXXXXXXX is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

I just got that line. Maybe it doesn't happen to everyone? :confused:

carnation

11-26-2002, 04:33 PM

axotiger,

A lot of people said just what you did until the ONE THING that touched off their fuse was posted, such as their GLO ritual or a jab at their ethnic group or their own name and address (!!!) or a misogynist comment...then they began to see what the rest of us were mad about. This is why GC has a user agreement that forbids posting of inflammatory comments.

Besides, when mods get bombed by 20 pms about the same horrible post, it's impossible to ignore them!

dzrose93

11-26-2002, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Munchkin03

This is what I mean:

"Sorry XXXXXXXXXX is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

I just got that line. Maybe it doesn't happen to everyone? :confused:

I would think that the reason for being unable to ignore a mod is because, if you're causing trouble, then a mod needs to be able to contact you in order to resolve the issue. Just a guess. And I would think that if you can't ignore a mod, then no one else would be able to, either... So, I really don't know why you can't and 33girl can. I'll be glad to inquire about it, though. Could be a glitch in the GC system.

33girl

11-26-2002, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by dzrose93

ISo, I really don't know why you can't and 33girl can.

Because I am just that cool. :p

I would think if there was a giant issue (like someone pming me to say "the kidney you need is in my chapter room") John could read the PMs and override the ignores. Oh and xok85xo, don't worry, I "unignored" you as soon as my experiment was completed. :)

Munchkin03

11-26-2002, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by dzrose93

I would think that the reason for being unable to ignore a mod is because, if you're causing trouble, then a mod needs to be able to contact you in order to resolve the issue. Just a guess. And I would think that if you can't ignore a mod, then no one else would be able to, either... So, I really don't know why you can't and 33girl can. I'll be glad to inquire about it, though. Could be a glitch in the GC system.

Maybe it's because I haven't been a member that long? I can't see any other reason for it, no reprimands or anything of the sort. I can't understand it, especially since I don't go into the forums that this person moderates.

damasa

11-26-2002, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by UDZETA
For all you people out there: YOU DO NOT NEED TO BELIEVE ME! Think what you will but all I wanted to do is look into this a little more. If you don't like him then fine but don't beat up on me because I choose to look into it a little more. This is what I found. If anyone wants to do a better search then go ahead (but who knows if they have all the right information). But from what I have read no one wants to "waste their time" with it. Just remember you can't always believe what you hear. I just wanted to post this thread with what I have found. I'm sorry if it is not up to everyones standards but I wasn't going to "waste too much of my life" as so many say. I can see why UF_pike wouldn't want to come back too. With the comments and treatments I have been getting I'm beginning to wonder myself. I don't like all the personal comments that are un-needed. There is going to be no solution to this problem. People are going to continue to fight over if it is true or not. Believe what you want and be done with it!

Look at it this way, people are criticizing your research because you basically criticized the reasearch of others and told them they needed to apologize, deal with it. Alos, you state "but who knows if they have all the right information," well, how the heck do you know you have all the right information on "craig" if that is indeed who he is or isn't or if he is a Bob or a George or a Henry. You could be getting played as easy as anyone else. AGAIN, I will state that you proof is more or less non-material, in essence, you have nothing, as do the others that posted the "imposter to gc" thread.

I'm not belittling anyone herem but I think people are getting way off track and I agree with James that people are jumping to conclusions when they read one of these threads, or that they are forming opinions because they don't know the whole truth, but the main question is; who does know all or any of the truth about this "uf pike?" I don't, do you? Does anyone think they know or not?

James, I'm sorry but I can't answer your question, I was just going on the basis that he was always quick to jump to his defense in many other situations no matter what he said or what was being said about him, and I just don't understand how he didn't do the same in this situation. That is the deciding factor on why I believed what I read in the "Imposter to GC" thread. He would get so enraged because he felt he was right on other subjets and he would bash people or whatever he felt would make him look good or make him feel better..he hasn't even done that.

Maybe he is telling the truth, maybe he is lying, the way I look at is that he offended quite a few people on GC in the past and now it is coming full circle.

DeltAlum

11-27-2002, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by James
Can we admit our prejudices now?

I really have to applaud the people that said that it doesn't matter to them whether he is a Pike or not . . that they just don't like the kid.

Thats honest.

So will many of the rest of you now just admit that you don't like the kid? And that is the sole issue?
OK, I don't like the kid. Is that honest?

Well, it's not really. I don't know the kid. If I did, I'd probably dislike him. What I really dislike (sounding like a broken record) are his egocentric, mean spirited, demeaning and sexist comments. I don't care if he's a Pike. I would care if he was a Delt. Then I'd be trying to find out who he really is and then trying to figure out how to put a stop to him humiliating the Fraternity. If he is a Pike, I believe his actions disgrace his brothers and his organization.

Now, I'm going to go have my head examined for coming back to this thread -- and then adding to it!

Kevin

11-27-2002, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by DeltAlum

OK, I don't like the kid. Is that honest?

Well, it's not really. I don't know the kid. If I did, I'd probably dislike him. What I really dislike (sounding like a broken record) are his egocentric, mean spirited, demeaning and sexist comments. I don't care if he's a Pike. I would care if he was a Delt. Then I'd be trying to find out who he really is and then trying to figure out how to put a stop to him humiliating the Fraternity. If he is a Pike, I believe his actions disgrace his brothers and his organization.

Now, I'm going to go have my head examined for coming back to this thread -- and then adding to it!

Precisely what I've been thinking all along.

Regardless of what many of us think, when we reveal what organization we belong to we in effect are representing that organization when we post on here.