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IowaHawkeye

12-05-2001, 07:36 PM

when you get your tax returns back for this year, and you find that you owe the governement money because they bailed you out with the $300/$600 tax cut, you'll realize what i'm talking about - if you don't, take it up with Dr. Conybear, my Political Economics professor, i'm sure he'll be happy to explain, lol :D

don't get me wrong, that story was incredibly sweet and bush is doing a great job as president during a national tragedy/emergency - but this is politics we're talking about. Anyone see Wag the Dog? they set something like this up in the movie to make the president look good - great movie for all you political buffs out there!

LexiKD

12-05-2001, 10:41 PM

I pay too much taxes regardless, that 300.00 was great!

Tom Earp

12-05-2001, 11:02 PM

What 300.00? If anyone needed it , it is me!

Hell, I might really run for PRES. Is my cabinent still intact?:)

It is a time for change, not money but people!:)

Damn am I ni eve!:D

40 + mill. to win a mayor of NY that pays 125,000!:confused:

Strom Thurmond just turned 90! Wow! He must be half brain dead! It is wrong!:mad:

NO the morons that keep electing him have cranial rectosis!:D

Rambleing like the Sons Of the Pioneers!:D

volgirl2376

12-05-2001, 11:35 PM

MMM...I dont think sending me a check for $300.00 will buy my approval, but I guess it has for a lot of people.
Bush is a mediocre president who has been caught in the middle of a national tragedy...and has a lot of talented, professional, and knowledgable people working for him. If 9/11 didnt happen, he would still be at Camp David on his scheduled 4 month vacation.

valkyrie

12-05-2001, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by volgirl2376
MMM...I dont think sending me a check for $300.00 will buy my approval, but I guess it has for a lot of people.
Bush is a mediocre president who has been caught in the middle of a national tragedy...and has a lot of talented, professional, and knowledgable people working for him. If 9/11 didnt happen, he would still be at Camp David on his scheduled 4 month vacation.

OH GIRL do I ever agree with you!! You said it!

I'm not even going to get into what's going to happen to social security, either, or our national wildlife.

I have to say, too, that I saw Jimmy Carter on tv yesterday and he was speaking about the situation in Israel. He came across as having much more of an understanding of the situation than Bush has.

AlphaChiGirl

12-06-2001, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by volgirl2376
MMM...I dont think sending me a check for $300.00 will buy my approval, but I guess it has for a lot of people.
Bush is a mediocre president who has been caught in the middle of a national tragedy...and has a lot of talented, professional, and knowledgable people working for him. If 9/11 didnt happen, he would still be at Camp David on his scheduled 4 month vacation.

I feel the exact same way!! I respect his position, but if recent events had not transpired, he'd be chillin', or busy bailing his daughters out :rolleyes:.

I am very concerned about our environment and reproductive rights, since we are letting Bush get away with anything he wants right now. Before recent events, he was approving some sketchy measures...

NinjaPoodle

12-06-2001, 12:47 AM

Originally posted by volgirl2376
MMM...I dont think sending me a check for $300.00 will buy my approval, but I guess it has for a lot of people.
Bush is a mediocre president who has been caught in the middle of a national tragedy...and has a lot of talented, professional, and knowledgable people working for him. If 9/11 didnt happen, he would still be at Camp David on his scheduled 4 month vacation.

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Thank You! VolGirl2376, you are right on the money with that one.

I have to add that unlike AlphaChiGirl, I DON"T respect him, and never will. He cheated his way into office. Bottom line.

DukeBlue

12-06-2001, 12:50 AM

He's not pro-choice, so I didn't vote for him, and never will. Period.

Peaches-n-Cream

12-06-2001, 01:00 AM

I am not a fan, BUT he was very cute with that little girl!

Hootie

12-06-2001, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by NinjaPoodle

[img]He cheated his way into office. Bottom line.

How did he CHEAT his way into office. I do believe that there was never any evidence he cheated in anything...
And I certainly hope that if you feel he cheated his way into office, that you also don't respect our former president who cheated on his wife...and furthermore...if he had done a lick about problems in the middle east...we may not have this problem we're all facing right now!
Sorry but I had to say it!

Hootie

Hootie

12-06-2001, 01:17 AM

I didn't start this thread to talk about his policies...I started it because I feel that he's been handeling things very well in this time. I may be biased, but I fear what the Nation would be like if we were under the leadership of Gore or Nader or anyone else...I think THAT is the topic at hand...not the $300.00 rebate we got.

IowaHawkeye

12-06-2001, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Hootie

if he had done a lick about problems in the middle east...we may not have this problem we're all facing right now!
Sorry but I had to say it!

Hootie

The problems in the middle east have been going on for hundreds of years - its holy war pitting religious beliefs against religious beliefs; no president was going to immediately solve that in 4 or eight years - you can't resolve a conflict people don't want resolved!

but yes, bush is doing s decent job - why in my opinion - colin powell is an excellent secretary of state and condoleeza rice is one of the best there is at natonal security/foreign affairs - he's surrounded himself with some of the best - remind you of any former presidents?

Thrillhouse

12-06-2001, 01:38 AM

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Hootie, he is a polotician! It is good press!
He is under the gun but that is what advisors are for! Granted, he has to make the last decision but is from a lot of imput from knowlwedgeable people around him!

I totaly agree. But then again tom what about your cabinet ;) :D

lyrelyre

12-06-2001, 01:51 AM

Condoleeza Rice is one of the best there is at natonal security/foreign affairs

She is an Alpha Chi Omega-I know this is a non-Greek area but I had to say it.

aggieAXO

12-06-2001, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by AlphaChiGirl

I feel the exact same way!! I respect his position, but if recent events had not transpired, he'd be chillin', or busy bailing his daughters out :rolleyes:.

I am very concerned about our environment and reproductive rights, since we are letting Bush get away with anything he wants right now. Before recent events, he was approving some sketchy measures...

I agree with you sister!!!!! F*&k the environment and god forbid I can make a decision about MY body:mad:

SigkapAlumWSU

12-06-2001, 03:22 AM

This may or may not be true, so please don't say bad things to me. But does it bother anyone else that in Texas, their sex ed programs don't teach safe sex. They teach absitinence only. Just a thought (the connection being Bush was Gov. of Texas, and these programs were under his admin.)

BTW, no, I didn't vote for him, yes he is doing wonderfully in light of the tradgedy, and yes he has a very talented staff.

aggieAXO

12-06-2001, 04:16 AM

Sadly, I am too old to remember what they taught in sex ed class, but I guess I would have to say I learned most of my info. out in the field;)

LexiKD

12-06-2001, 10:10 AM

Still feelin' the love for G.W.....300.00 or not!

Optimist Prime

12-06-2001, 11:56 AM

Bush is Hitler. They both used national tradegy to their advangtage. Both are racist. Racial profiling is now considered a good thing, because now it can stop terrorists. If there will ever be a fourth reich, it will in this country, and it will be in our lifetime.

Beef

12-06-2001, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Bush is Hitler. They both used national tradegy to their advangtage. Both are racist. Racial profiling is now considered a good thing, because now it can stop terrorists. If there will ever be a fourth reich, it will in this country, and it will be in our lifetime.

Thats a VERY strong comparison to make!! I would think very carefully before I made a statement like that.

volgirl2376

12-06-2001, 12:40 PM

Lol- I forgot to mention something about the tax check everyone recieved. Something that proves that he really looks out for the wealthy! The average person a check for 300 bucks...my friend who is a surgeon and makes like a zillion dollars a year got a freaking check for over $100,000...makes 300 clams sound like a joke!

Hootie

12-06-2001, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Bush is Hitler. They both used national tradegy to their advangtage. Both are racist. Racial profiling is now considered a good thing, because now it can stop terrorists. If there will ever be a fourth reich, it will in this country, and it will be in our lifetime.

Actually Hitler is better known for ruthlessly killing innocent people for a cause. If anyone in this situation should be compared to Hitler it would be Osuma...but even thats probably a stretch.

Hootie;)

Optimist Prime

12-06-2001, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Hootie

Actually Hitler is better known for ruthlessly killing innocent people for a cause. If anyone in this situation should be compared to Hitler it would be Osuma...but even thats probably a stretch.

Hootie;)

Yeah, they are all bad people. But innocent people are already being attacked because they "look arab" and that's happening under Bush's watch and I haven't heard him condem any of that.

Beef

12-06-2001, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Optimist Prime

Yeah, they are all bad people. But innocent people are already being attacked because they "look arab" and that's happening under Bush's watch and I haven't heard him condem any of that.

You havent?? Watch the news much???

Optimist Prime

12-06-2001, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Beef

You havent?? Watch the news much???

Not really.

Hootie

12-06-2001, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by Optimist Prime

Not really.

Poor Billy...you really should watch the news (nothing but love).
And furthermore racial stereotyping has been around for ages...through a lot of different presidents!

Beef

12-06-2001, 02:24 PM

Ok, so you dont watch the news much, how would you like him to condem those attacks? By writing you a personal letter??
If your not putting yourself in a position to hear him condem the attacks, how would you know if he did or didnt??

Optimist Prime

12-06-2001, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Beef
Ok, so you dont watch the news much, how would you like him to condem those attacks? By writing you a personal letter??
If your not putting yourself in a position to hear him condem the attacks, how would you know if he did or didnt??

I didn't say he did or he didn't. I said i hadn't heard it. And yes, a personal letter would be nice.

valkyrie

12-06-2001, 05:36 PM

I wasn't talking about that. He seemed to have much more insight into the situation with Arafat and Israel than Bush has.

I suppose that YOU are perfect in every situation, of course. ;)

AlphaChiGirl

12-06-2001, 05:48 PM

I simply respect Bush because he is President and he's been a great figurehead during this whole bit, I do not agree with his politics and I do feel he gained the presidency through shady means. :rolleyes:

I do not credit him with any post-September 11th successes as President, however. He is surrounded by two of the most brilliant people regarding the Middle East and our role there, Ms. Rice and Gen. Powell. This reminds me of a talk I heard given by a Planned Parenthood doctor regarding the fact that reproductive rights were in such jeopardy, "Bush may be personally stupid, but he has surrounded himelf by some of the smartest people in American politics." It's not HIM I'm impressed by (or scared of), it's the people with whom he does business.

Beef

12-06-2001, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Optimist Prime

I didn't say he did or he didn't. I said i hadn't heard it. And yes, a personal letter would be nice.

So you are going to make a comparison of that nature without even knowing how he responded to the attacks on Arab Americans?? You said he was racist, how?? What are you basing that statement off of?? Hopefully something you heard rather than didnt hear and therefore assumed....

I think its funny how when people give him credit for something good, its because of his cabinet(which he chose). But when there is something someone may disagree with its HIS fault.

IowaHawkeye

12-06-2001, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by skip101

Are you trying to imply that he is less of a president because he surrounded himself with excellent people?

often times, people surround themselves with the best to make up for their own shortcomings - i think he made a damn smart move having both of them on his cabinet - lol, he can't be less of a presidnet becuase well unfortunately he is the only president we have - you don't have to agree with me, just understand that there are people out there who see politics and the way they work differently from you.

SigkapAlumWSU

12-06-2001, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by skip101

How is Bush going to hurt the environment?

Bush's administration want's to drill for oil in the Alaska wildlife refuge. There was a study put out a couple of years ago that said if we did drill, there would only be a 2-3 month supply for drilling, so it's not worth it. Not only would we be drilling, but roads would have to be built into the refuge, of which there aren't many at present. He also backed America out of the Environmental emissions reduction world talks (I can't remember what it was called, it might have been the kyoto agreement, but I'm not sure.) If I did more research, I'm sure I could find more, but these are things that I've heard on the news, for everyone to hear.

IowaHawkeye

12-06-2001, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by SigkapAlumWSU

He also backed America out of the Environmental emissions reduction world talks (I can't remember what it was called, it might have been the kyoto agreement, but I'm not sure.)

yes it was Kyoto - Clinton actually signed the Kyoto agreement, but it means nothing unless Congress passes it - which isn't going to happen, unfortunately.

Thrillhouse

12-06-2001, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by Beef

So you are going to make a comparison of that nature without even knowing how he responded to the attacks on Arab Americans?? You said he was racist, how?? What are you basing that statement off of?? Hopefully something you heard rather than didnt hear and therefore assumed....

I think its funny how when people give him credit for something good, its because of his cabinet(which he chose). But when there is something someone may disagree with its HIS fault.

Anyways getting back on subject here......

SigkapAlumWSU

12-06-2001, 07:09 PM

I thought that there was another set of talks recently, and that we walked out and basically said that the plan was l\flawed and we weren't going to agree to it. At wi\hich point I say, why not stay and explain the fatal flaw and fix it? I'll do some more research.

skip101

12-06-2001, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by SigkapAlumWSU

Bush's administration want's to drill for oil in the Alaska wildlife refuge. There was a study put out a couple of years ago that said if we did drill, there would only be a 2-3 month supply for drilling, so it's not worth it. Not only would we be drilling, but roads would have to be built into the refuge, of which there aren't many at present. He also backed America out of the Environmental emissions reduction world talks (I can't remember what it was called, it might have been the kyoto agreement, but I'm not sure.) If I did more research, I'm sure I could find more, but these are things that I've heard on the news, for everyone to hear.

Doesn't that oil that is being consumed by YOU and every person in America, have to come from somewhere? Is the global environment going to be hurt any less if that oil comes from the North Atlantic or the Gulf of Mexico or the Middle East. Basically you have a not in my backyard mentality. You are still going to use just as much oil as you always did and you dont really care if the environment is damaged as long as it isn't the environment in your back yard.

AlphaChiGirl

12-06-2001, 07:49 PM

Okay, there's a serious difference between drilling in uninhabited desert areas (which was were most of the domestic and foreign petrol is harvested) and offshore drilling, which threatens human, non-human animal, and plant life, now isn't there? :rolleyes:

The Bush administration, in less than 11 months at the helm, has already approved serious amounts of OFFSHORE drilling, the destruction of wetlands and forests for development, and has increased the maximum level of arsenic that can be allowed in the drinking supply.

That is what GWBush has done to the environment, thank you very much. Yes, everyone has hurt the environment, but now with a president who not only endorses the all-out destruction of the environment for various commercial uses, it'll just be that more tragic.

Don't blame me, I voted for Nader...:D

valkyrie

12-06-2001, 07:54 PM

Skip, why are you assuming that we all use as much oil as we always did? I take public transportation to work and rarely drive, but when I do, it is in my little, fuel efficient car. I would never in a million years drive an SUV because aside from guzzling gas and having a terrible impact on our environment, they are dangerous to smaller vehicles on the road. IMHO, they are the epitome of selfishness. So please do not make a blanket accusation.

justamom

12-06-2001, 08:46 PM

When I was in college, I was THE biggest Democrat that ever existed. I got FIRED from a job because they felt my flower child image didn't fit the mold. Actually, I was a semi-hippi working at a raquet club and REFUSED to go out with the owner. HOWEVER, since becoming a "respectable" member of the community, (this means I pay TAXES and a LOT of them) I have learned my money goes to all sorts of things I am adamantly against. At this point in my life I AM A REPUBLICAN! If we need to drill for oil to break the hold of foreign interests, if we have to KILL peope to insure the safety of our sons and daughters, if we have to ANNIHILATE the green crosseyed toad to build a communications lab, hey, I vote YES! Just WAIT till you open your paycheck and you see your hard earned money going to social programs with NON EXISTENT PEOPLE on the roles collecting money.

BUSH IS GREAT! HOPEFULLY, WE WILL PULL OURSELVES OUT OF THE PIT CLINTON AND HIS CRONIES HAVE FLUNG US INTO!

It's easy to be a democrat when you aren't supporting a family and paying taxes! I have a ZILLION stories that anyone under 27 would be unable to relate to (unless they were raised with an exposure to a Republcan view of economics)
Now here's a little political humor-
What's the difference between democrats and
republicans? Democrats are fun loving "cest' la vie" type people who party and make love. They sleep in a doublebeds. Republicans are all uptight because they work so hard and come home exhausted...they sleep in seperate beds.

THAT'S why there are more Democrats!

IowaHawkeye

12-06-2001, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by justamom

BUSH IS GREAT! HOPEFULLY, WE WILL PULL OURSELVES OUT OF THE PIT CLINTON AND HIS CRONIES HAVE FLUNG US INTO!

i'm just curious as to what youre refering to? In 1992, when Clinton took office, the unemployment rate was 7.5 percent. Under Clinton, unemployment was at a 4.3 Percent low in January of 2000 -- A 41-year peacetime low. Employment was at an all-time high. 133.4 million Americans worked in December of 1999 that's 64.5 percent of the working-age population, the highest percentage of people working ever. 17.8 Million New Jobs were created under Clinton. Inflation was at it's lowest since the 1950's.

So what pit did he put us in :confused: are we talking "i did not have sex with that woman stuff ;)

Hootie

12-06-2001, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by valkyrie
Skip, why are you assuming that we all use as much oil as we always did? I take public transportation to work and rarely drive, but when I do, it is in my little, fuel efficient car. I would never in a million years drive an SUV because aside from guzzling gas and having a terrible impact on our environment, they are dangerous to smaller vehicles on the road. IMHO, they are the epitome of selfishness. So please do not make a blanket accusation.

I hate to say it but we all do things or purchase things that will inevitablly hurt the environment or human rights. I don't want to step on everyone's views and I'm only harvesting friendly debate...however I for one am thankful for SUV's because they allow my family and myself to get around when it snows. I can't begin to tell you how many times I got stuck in the snow in my small vehical and had to rely on my father's Blazer to rescue me ;)

I suppose we should all stop purchasing diamonds because of the whole funding of terrorist groups in sierra leon (spelling?)! OH! And don't buy anything Sapphire this Christmas because the largest supply of Natural Sapphires is...from Afghanistan ;)

Hootie

12-06-2001, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by IowaHawkeye

i'm just curious as to what youre refering to? In 1992, when Clinton took office, the unemployment rate was 7.5 percent. Under Clinton, unemployment was at a 4.3 Percent low in January of 2000 -- A 41-year peacetime low. Employment was at an all-time high. 133.4 million Americans worked in December of 1999 that's 64.5 percent of the working-age population, the highest percentage of people working ever. 17.8 Million New Jobs were created under Clinton. Inflation was at it's lowest since the 1950's.

So what pit did he put us in :confused: are we talking "i did not have sex with that woman stuff ;)

I think what JustAMom is referring to is the fact that Clinton was well aware of the power that was being built up and aware of Al Quiada (Spelling?). He didn't do anything.
Shortly after the 9/11 tragedy I was reading a USA TODAY that was left on a table in the food court. The front page story referred to how Clinton's "See No Evil, Know No Evil" (and those are my words) policy put us in the position we are in today. If we had stepped up to the bat when they first bombed the Trade Center and had attacked Tanzania, we'd be farther along in our battle against Terrorism.
But that's just what the story was about and I happen to agree. I had NO idea there were these types of people out there that HATED us and AMERICA with such passion that they'd bring the greatest tragedy to our homeland.
I suppose this is just all harvested anger, but that's what I think LOL.

Hootie :)

lyrelyre

12-06-2001, 10:59 PM

justamom may also have been refering to the fact that economic policy takes five to ten years to be effective. So basically what Clinton takes credit for was actually done by Reagan and Bush (Sr.) and our current recession is thanks to none other that Mr. Clinton.

lionlove

12-06-2001, 11:37 PM

Is anyone else suspicious of Bush and Ascroft's military tribunals? These secret military trials have no place in an advanced democracy. Military tribunals have been used as the perferred form of "justice" in military dictatorships in Latin American during the 70's and 80's and more recently as the "justice" system of the Taliban. Do we really want to use the same "justice" system as military dictators and uneducated religious fundamentalists?

I do support the war in Afghanistan and the Operation Enduring Liberty. Many people our age are out there fighting for our freedom and safety and I have nothing but respect and admiration for them. Also, I commend the Bush administration's policy of food drops and other aid for Afghan civilians. i hope that the people of Afghanistan (esp. the women) are able to build a stable democracy for themselves.

Just my 2 cents as an International Studies major :rolleyes:

Beef

12-06-2001, 11:43 PM

I wouldnt trust our legal system to handle a case of that nature. All we need is Johnny Cochran defending Osama and using the 'chewbaca' defense. :eek:

IMO if its not a US citizen under question, they are not subject to the same rights and garuntees as actual citizens.

volgirl2376

12-06-2001, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by lionlove
I do support the war in Afghanistan and the Operation Enduring Liberty. Many people our age are out there fighting for our freedom and safety and I have nothing but respect and admiration for them. Also, I commend the Bush administration's policy of food drops and other aid for Afghan civilians. i hope that the people of Afghanistan (esp. the women) are able to build a stable democracy for themselves.

Just my 2 cents as an International Studies major :rolleyes:

Now this is something I dont support. Well, its not that Im against it...but I will go to my grave *wishing* we would come to the aid of starving, homeless, and abused people in THIS country. There is an obscene amount of people in the good ol USA who have nothing....and I guess I will just always think that before going to the rescue of every country in the world...mostly countries who HATE the USA...we should give aid to our own. It would be nice to see a food drop here...after hearing how many millions and millions of people dont have anything.

Beef

12-06-2001, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by volgirl2376

Now this is something I dont support. Well, its not that Im against it...but I will go to my grave *wishing* we would come to the aid of starving, homeless, and abused people in THIS country. There is an obscene amount of people in the good ol USA who have nothing....and I guess I will just always think that before going to the rescue of every country in the world...mostly countries who HATE the USA...we should give aid to our own. It would be nice to see a food drop here...after hearing how many millions and millions of people dont have anything.

I agree with that 10000%!!

lionlove

12-07-2001, 12:00 AM

Beef,
I wouldn't trust our legal system either but there is the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands that was set up to handle these types of cases.

Also, less than 0.5% of the federal budget goes to foreign aid so it really isn't like we are trying to save every starving country in the world. In the case of Afghanistan, there is a need to rebuild their country to prevent future Osama bin Laden's from using their propaganda to rally support against the "evil" United States

valkyrie

12-07-2001, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by justamom
HOWEVER, since becoming a "respectable" member of the community, (this means I pay TAXES and a LOT of them) I have learned my money goes to all sorts of things I am adamantly against. At this point in my life I AM A REPUBLICAN! If we need to drill for oil to break the hold of foreign interests, if we have to KILL peope to insure the safety of our sons and daughters, if we have to ANNIHILATE the green crosseyed toad to build a communications lab, hey, I vote YES! Just WAIT till you open your paycheck and you see your hard earned money going to social programs with NON EXISTENT PEOPLE on the roles collecting money.

Aiiiii! You sound exactly like my parents!! :)

I have to say this...I have considered myself a democrat since I was old enough to form my own opinions on issues. To this day (I am 30) my dad has ALWAYS been telling me, "You'll change. I used to be liberal, yada yada yada, but you'll become a republican someday." I always laughed.

You know what? For once, my dad is wrong. I really, honestly believe in my heart of hearts, that I will always be a democrat, or, more accurately, liberal. As attorneys, my husband and I fork over wads of $$ with every paycheck, that's true. Honestly, though, I can deal with that.

Here's why -- I have always believed that there are some things that are more important than money, for example, my reproductive freedom, the ability of children to receive a public education free of religious influence, separation of church and state and the environment. On all of these issues, I agree with democrats and not republicans, 99% of the time. As humans, it is our duty to protect that goofy little frog, because it is our duty to take care of the earth -- if we don't, and if we continue to abuse it as we have been doing, we're all going to be screwed. I will happily shell out extra money to ensure all of these things in which I believe, even if that means that someone is abusing the system and getting money he or she doesn't deserve.

Aw, shucks. I'm going to go outside and hug a tree now. ;)

IowaHawkeye

12-07-2001, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by valkyrie

You know what? For once, my dad is wrong. I really, honestly believe in my heart of hearts, that I will always be a democrat, or, more accurately, liberal. As attorneys, my husband and I fork over wads of $$ with every paycheck, that's true. Honestly, though, I can deal with that.

Here's why -- I have always believed that there are some things that are more important than money, for example, my reproductive freedom, the ability of children to receive a public education free of religious influence, separation of church and state and the environment. On all of these issues, I agree with democrats and not republicans, 99% of the time. As humans, it is our duty to protect that goofy little frog, because it is our duty to take care of the earth -- if we don't, and if we continue to abuse it as we have been doing, we're all going to be screwed. I will happily shell out extra money to ensure all of these things in which I believe, even if that means that someone is abusing the system and getting money he or she doesn't deserve.

You're like my idol, lol, can i come and hang out with you ;)
I too believe I will always be a liberal democrat even though my background is more republican.

valkyrie

12-07-2001, 01:11 AM

Of course you can!!

When you graduate law school at the top of your class, we can both go work at the public defender's office and save the world!
:)

AlphaChiGirl

12-07-2001, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by justamom
HOWEVER, since becoming a "respectable" member of the community, (this means I pay TAXES and a LOT of them) I have learned my money goes to all sorts of things I am adamantly against. At this point in my life I AM A REPUBLICAN! If we need to drill for oil to break the hold of foreign interests, if we have to KILL peope to insure the safety of our sons and daughters, if we have to ANNIHILATE the green crosseyed toad to build a communications lab, hey, I vote YES! Just WAIT till you open your paycheck and you see your hard earned money going to social programs with NON EXISTENT PEOPLE on the roles collecting money.

It's easy to be a democrat when you aren't supporting a family and paying taxes!

I'm sure it's easy to be a Democrat when you aren't supporting a family and paying taxes, but what if you are left of center, like my parents? They're in the highest tax bracket, fork over a huge amount of money for taxes, etc., but they didn't support Bush in the past election. In fact, they're pretty freaking "liberal". I know their money (and mine, since a good part of my "income" goes to the government) goes to things which they (and I) don't necessarily support, but changing parties isn't going to change that. The world is so much bigger than your pocketbook, regardless of how big it is. It includes those people whose sons and daughters are getting killed so that your sons and daughters may live freely or safely, that poor little toad, and the fish floating in the Prince William Sound belly-up from one oil spill too many.

There is a pervasive myth which I think fuels a lot of this anger about tax money going to people who don't "deserve" it. It's the myth of the welfare mother with 5 kids, unmarried, having children just to stay on the dole...and it just ain't true. I know FOR A FACT that most of the people on public assistance aren't there because they're lazy or want to live off the government (it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to do that on a public assistance check, by the way). People get hurt on the job, can't work, and don't have insurance. Husbands leave. Kids get sick, and parents have to quit their jobs. Parents get ill. Not everyone has the nest egg to get back on their feet after such a setback, and that is why I am afraid that once the 911 turmoil has settled some more, that Bush and his cronies will try to alter public assistance programs. For every "stereotypical" welfare mother, there are more families who didn't want to get on welfare, disability, or food stamps, and I think most Americans realize that. And THAT is the reason there are more Democrats.

::::jumping off my soapbox::::

Once again, please don't blame me! I voted for Nader! :D

aggieAXO

12-07-2001, 01:45 AM

Valkyrie-we must be twins-I am always agreeing with you. BTW my parents too are republicans, I am about to be 30 and as a veterinarian shell out tons of $$ to the govt. but I can also deal with this.

Originally posted by valkyrie

Aiiiii! You sound exactly like my parents!! :)

I have to say this...I have considered myself a democrat since I was old enough to form my own opinions on issues. To this day (I am 30) my dad has ALWAYS been telling me, "You'll change. I used to be liberal, yada yada yada, but you'll become a republican someday." I always laughed.

You know what? For once, my dad is wrong. I really, honestly believe in my heart of hearts, that I will always be a democrat, or, more accurately, liberal. As attorneys, my husband and I fork over wads of $$ with every paycheck, that's true. Honestly, though, I can deal with that.

Here's why -- I have always believed that there are some things that are more important than money, for example, my reproductive freedom, the ability of children to receive a public education free of religious influence, separation of church and state and the environment. On all of these issues, I agree with democrats and not republicans, 99% of the time. As humans, it is our duty to protect that goofy little frog, because it is our duty to take care of the earth -- if we don't, and if we continue to abuse it as we have been doing, we're all going to be screwed. I will happily shell out extra money to ensure all of these things in which I believe, even if that means that someone is abusing the system and getting money he or she doesn't deserve.

Aw, shucks. I'm going to go outside and hug a tree now. ;)

DukeBlue

12-07-2001, 04:51 AM

"Republicans want a government so small that it fits in your bedroom."

When did "liberal" become a 4-letter word? I take it as a compliment.

I care about civil rights for everyone, and I care about the world in which I live. I'm willing to shell out a little more money to protect those rights and to protect the planet. There's nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong with that, and I won't accept insinuations that it's something bad. Yes, maybe I'm optimistic, and a bit on the idealistic side, but really, the world could use some more idealists...

"Better a bleeding heart than none at all..."

justamom

12-07-2001, 07:09 AM

HOOTIE AND LYRELYRE-EXACTLY! Plus, his main focus was on Hollywood (don't forget he was considering working with the "Dream...Corp" the one wth Speilberg etc) His own people have said the head of security couldn't get a meeting with him.
Rather than discuss issues pertaining to peace and security threats, he directed them to work on patent infringement and copyright laws. He was/IS a mess. His weakness as a leader is so apparent his old staffers have distanced themselves. Even Giraldo Rivera has washed his hands of Clinton. OH WELL...
I still have strong sentiments for children of deadbeat PARENTS and believe we need to help those who are infirm. BUT, I get so angry when people line up and stick out their hand for money without EARNING it when they are physically and mentally able to do so. One more note-As a small business, we are TAXED to death! Our assistant that we "let go", is working on the weekends, and files unemployment on us...Of course I don't blame Clinton for all the current economic woes, but in general, democratic policies have created a system of abuse. They want to create more and more governmental jobs to increase the number of employees nation wide who will vote Deomocrat. I'm not going to post again on this topic because nothing ANYONE says will change one person's opinion on this board. You have to live it before you can see it!

KillarneyRose

12-07-2001, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by DukeBlue

"Better a bleeding heart than none at all..."

I have a heart; many say an exceedingly large and generous one. Whether a person's priority is the duckbilled platypus or the unborn child is not what is important to me. What is important is that people research and learn so that they can make INFORMED decisions about the issues. It's the people that just want to jump on whatever bandwagon is nearby that really make me want to lose my lunch. (Ex: How many of the college age kids riding around with "Free Tibet" on their bumperstickers really have a clue about what's going on over there? How about the World Bank protestors; how informed were most of them? Some people just like to be troublemakers.)

NinjaPoodle

12-07-2001, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by Hootie
How did he CHEAT his way into office. I do believe that there was never any evidence he cheated in anything...
And I certainly hope that if you feel he cheated his way into office, that you also don't respect our former president who cheated on his wife...and furthermore...if he had done a lick about problems in the middle east...we may not have this problem we're all facing right now!
Sorry but I had to say it!

Hootie \

:rolleyes: Give me a break. If the guy had won fair, I still wouldn't be happy but he would have won the RIGHT way and I could get over it.

As far as Clinton's escapades, I really could care less. I didn't vote for him to worry about his personal life (yes it is public but like I said, I don't care) What he does for the country is my concern.

and for the record, "what if's" don't count...Bush is the one in office. Let's deal with that.

Originally posted by Hootie

"and furthermore...if he had done a lick about problems in the middle east...we may not have this problem we're all facing right now!"\

KillarneyRose

12-07-2001, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by justamom
When I was in college, I was THE biggest Democrat that ever existed. I got FIRED from a job because they felt my flower child image didn't fit the mold. Actually, I was a semi-hippi working at a raquet club and REFUSED to go out with the owner. HOWEVER, since becoming a "respectable" member of the community, (this means I pay TAXES and a LOT of them) I have learned my money goes to all sorts of things I am adamantly against. At this point in my life I AM A REPUBLICAN! If we need to drill for oil to break the hold of foreign interests, if we have to KILL peope to insure the safety of our sons and daughters, if we have to ANNIHILATE the green crosseyed toad to build a communications lab, hey, I vote YES! Just WAIT till you open your paycheck and you see your hard earned money going to social programs with NON EXISTENT PEOPLE on the roles collecting money.

BUSH IS GREAT! HOPEFULLY, WE WILL PULL OURSELVES OUT OF THE PIT CLINTON AND HIS CRONIES HAVE FLUNG US INTO!

It's easy to be a democrat when you aren't supporting a family and paying taxes! I have a ZILLION stories that anyone under 27 would be unable to relate to (unless they were raised with an exposure to a Republcan view of economics)
Now here's a little political humor-
What's the difference between democrats and
republicans? Democrats are fun loving "cest' la vie" type people who party and make love. They sleep in a doublebeds. Republicans are all uptight because they work so hard and come home exhausted...they sleep in seperate beds.

THAT'S why there are more Democrats!

JAM hitting the nail dead-on as always! ;) I was personally never a Democrat but my dear, sweet (trust fund baby) college boyfriend was proud to call himself a "bleeding heart liberal". He hated G.H.W. Bush; thought him an Ivy League snob from a rich family (pot calling the kettle....) When he got accepted to law school he told everyone who would listen how he was going to graduate and become an attorney for the ACLU because of "the passion with which they protect our rights." I guess once he put in all that time in law school he figured that the ACLU had enough passion without him since last I heard he is making a very high six figures as an entertainment attorney in L.A. :rolleyes:

AlphaChiGirl

12-08-2001, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by skip101

Who's fault is it that you, your parents, your sorority sisters and all of your friends drive cars? No its not your fault, its GWBush's fault that oil is being drilled. You are a hypocrite.

Actually, that oil wasn't drilled (at least, not the fields I'm discussing) until the Reagan/Bush era. I know that in my area, Bush signed SPECIFIC bills allowing offshore drilling in the Gulf. Also, I don't drive, so don't you dare call me a hypocrite. Get your facts straight before you start calling people names. :rolleyes:

skip101

12-08-2001, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by AlphaChiGirl

Actually, that oil wasn't drilled (at least, not the fields I'm discussing) until the Reagan/Bush era. I know that in my area, Bush signed SPECIFIC bills allowing offshore drilling in the Gulf. Also, I don't drive, so don't you dare call me a hypocrite. Get your facts straight before you start calling people names. :rolleyes:

Ever been in a bus, car, or a plane. If so then you are still using oil. Do you grow your won food? How do you think the food get from the farms to you dinner table?

Unless you are living in a cave, growing your own food and making your won clothes, you consume oil. You are definitely a hypocrite. Everyone in this country uses oil. You probably couldn't even go one day without it.