-sniffles- My boyfriend dumped me. In a email. -sniffles again-

[Dejajeva]

Boys suck.

-cries-

[newbie]

I'm very sorry that that happened to you. Please take good care of yourself.

[CutiePie2000]

I don't know what is worse, being dumped by email or being dumped by telephone......I got dumped the day of a big family dinner thing that the b*st*rd invited me to!

here is the story:
My boyfriend emails me on a Tuesday, "If you think you want to and you're ready to, do you want to meet my family this Saturday at a big family dinner?" (and we're not young, I was 30, he was 39, and he is divorced...so to me, meeting one's family MEANS SOMETHING).
So I said sure that would be nice.

I see him during the week, he tells me, "My mother is really looking forward to meeting you".
So I smile and say breezily, "
That is nice to hear. I am looking forward to meeting her as well".

We go out on Friday night, and have a lovely date. He drops me off at the door, hug hug, kiss kiss goodnight.
He confirms, "I will pick you up tomorrow (Saturday) at about 4 pm so that we can drive to the family dinner.
I say, "Sure, sounds good".

I wake up Saturday morning, happy and somewhat excited that I am going to meet his family. I am lying in bed, awake, smiling and thinking to myself, "This could be IT!"
Then the phone rings. It is my boyfriend.
He PHONES me on Saturday morning, the morning of the day of the "meet the family dinner" (not even 9 HOURS after our Friday night date ended) to announce that "It's not going to work out." His ex girlfriend who lives in another city, called him, announced that she was trying to get a job in our city, and that she wanted them to give it another try. And so he said "yes" to her and ended things with me. (And to my knowledge, sources tells me that she never even moved to our city in the end.) Pretty heinous behavior!

Nice huh? :(
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I am sorry that your BF broke it off with you via email. That is terrible. What ever happened to MANNERS?
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[Jeff OTMG]

Dejajeva, I am so sorry. Not all boys suck, but the one you picked sure does. Dumping someone via email is intensely impersonal and rude.

CutiePie, all I can say is to thine own self be true. You boyfriend was and it didn't work out for him. You may be able to derive some satisfaction knowing that. You are also lucky to have found out that he had some serious 'baggage' before you became too involved with him and became part of his family. It is a shame that you were mislead about your relationship, but lucky to have found out now rather than a year from now.

[GmuTeke]

Dejaveva,

I'm sorry, that was just a terrible way to break up with someone (the only thing worse that i could think of would be to break up with someone over instant messenger). i'd like to share something that my friend Erin (my romantic advisor and confidant) shared with me when i was in a bad spot. Hopefully it'll make you smile some:

Top Ten Reasons Why Having Fish Is Better Than Dating

10. Their food is a lot cheaper than eating out, and you
only have to by it once a month.
9. The names are more fun.
8. They don't speak.
7. They don't bite.
6. They never want to leave the house.
5. They never want to expand their horizons.
4. They never compare you to others, you're the only one
they ever see.
3. They listen, and they really understand.
2. They're cuter than people.
1. They're replaceable within 10 minutes.

[Dejajeva]

lol
that was cute, honey.

Thanks.

hey, you don't happen to be single are you?

-snickers-

Kidding.

Jess

[tickledpink]

Originally posted by Dejajeva
Boys suck.

-cries-

Sorry to hear that. Well, (I know you've probably heard this) you're probably better off without him! ;)

Take Care.

[SparkliiQTMTSU]

Aww I'm so sorry to hear about your breakup. This guy was obviously a bit immature seeing as how he couldn't even break up with you to your face. Keep your head up theres plenty of great guys out there!

Nichole

[aephi alum]

Dejajeva, I'm sorry this happened... You're definitely better off without that kind of insensitive individual in your life. CutiePie2000, same goes for you.

I actually *was* dumped by IM! :eek: Not IM exactly, but we had an intra-campus computer network and you could send IM-type messages over it. It was a Saturday night, and he and I had gone out with some of his friends earlier in the evening... he walks me back to my dorm, kisses me good night like nothing's wrong, and walks on to his own dorm. About 1/2 hour later I'm online checking my email and he messages me to say "I don't think we should see each other any more." Out of the blue, just like that. I tried to call him, but he wouldn't answer his phone... would only communicate via messages.

He said later on (to a mutual friend - I wasn't talking to him at this point), that he thought I would take it easier if he messaged me instead of calling or talking to me in person. Translation: He was too much of a coward to say it to my face.

Anyway, I am infinitely better off without him - not 3 months later, I met a wonderful man who became my husband. So, not all boys suck, though some can be real jerks... (actually, some stronger language is coming to mind :) )

Take care :)

[DGPhoney]

Hey Buddy:)
Yes they do suck :( But not all are bad! There a lot of good guys out there,ya just have to seek them out. Like I told you the night before things do get better in due time. Be strong and Hang in there and brighter days are aimed your way(lol, that sounds like a fortune cookie :D but true)
Good Luck
DGPhoney~

[DGPhoney]

ok sorry for the double post ya'll, oh my gosh aephialum, thats aweful. I mean really, if you don't mind me saying , what a jerk thats so harsh. Well, thats good you are better off without him, guys like that are such, AHHH GOOBERS :mad: but I am very glad that u found someone better and like a fairy tale , happily married :) thats great and good luck to you as well :)
DGPhoney~

[Jen]

Ugh. Men.

I hooked up with a guy friend a few times, and he even told me TO MY FACE that he liked me...then I started to notice he wouldn't answer his phone etc. He thought a good way to get rid of me would be to ignore me for weeks until I got it. He was too much of a coward to just say it wasn't working for him.

He actually called up one of our mutual friends and had him basically break up with me. PATHETIC!

An old bf broke up with me on the phone cuz he was too chicken. I've only had one bf who had the balls to tell me straight up. He's my best friend now lol. He tells the truth, and it gets him places.

NOTE TO MEN: IF YOU ARE MAN ENOUGH TO DATE US, YOU MUST BE MAN ENOUGH TO BREAK UP WITH US IN PERSON!

[Dejajeva]

So I was in theatre class bitching about the stupid boy problems I've been having and one girl was like, I've got a better story.
Seems her man sent the breakup email to her COUSIN to print out and give to her.

And, this guy, lived right behind the girl he dumped.


Boys, honestly.


I've got another question
Why don't guys wash their hands after they take a leak??

They TOUCH it and don't wash their hands. We don't touch anything and not only wash them, but use soap and antibacterial stuff afterwards!

ugh.
Men.

[James]

What is there and epidemic of girls being broken up with by email? This is like the third post?

Could be worse, he could have faxed you a break-up letter . . . I think Sylvester Stallone supposedly did that.

I agree that email is cowardly, and IM might be even worse LOL. Although I honestly would be in hysterics if a girlfriend broke up with me by email or IM, I try to see the funny side of everything and would probably incorporate it into a story or script plot . . .

Does email deny you closure or something so that it bothers you even more? I mean what would you expect from a face to face break-up . . . most of us men are conditioned to avoid potentially painful and explosive emotional situations.

If email is a self defense mechanism, then might it not have been even worse for girls if a guy a came across cold and unfeeling during a face-to-face conversation? Cold and unfeeling being another self defense mechanism that we (boys) use.

Cutiepie2000,

That is kind of really leading you on, I mean sheez, at least take you to the silly dinner and then explain things later . . . Oh did you see the movie yet? With the ten-day plan to shape your man up?

aephi alum,

If he was that much of a coward you should have taken at least a week to make his life hellish for a while by appearing where he was going to be and ignoring him.

LAdies in general

Sometimes it might be better just to let yourselves be angry at the idiot than be so understanding you hurt yourself and pine away for someone wasting your time.

[Dejajeva]

What i NEED is a hot frat boy, right gals??

-grins-

[aggieAXO]

I have another horrible story-though it does not involve me, but my friend (I don't know about ya'll but hearing other peolple talk about their break-up and boy problems helps me feel not so alone when it happens to me)

Anyways:

My friend had just graduated from veterinary school and moved to Austin-the year was 97. During our 4th year of vet. school she started dating a radioloist resident (he is one of the radiologist on the emerg. vets animal planet show-but I will not reveal his name cause I am too nice). In May upon graduation he asked her to marry him and of course she said yes. They planned to marry in May of 98-1 year later. He finished his residency and moved to Colorado and again she moved to Austin. So, in early May of 98 she quit her job, called the moving company and packed her bags. A week before she was going up to Colarado to be with him, he sent her a letter breaking it off (very very devastating-what is even worse is she read the letter in the Wal-Mart parking lot). A few months later we found out that not only was he engaged but he had a child on the way. It took awhile, but my friend made it through this. It made her stronger and not to mention wiser (this guy had been divorced 2X already-possible pattern?) The most important thing is to have your friends around (esp. single friends-at least for me) YOU WILL GET THROUGH THIS!!!

K

[aggieAXO]

oops-spleeld Colorado wrong

[The1calledTKE]

Fratenity guys are good but they are just like GDI's but much cooler. Just go talk to the quiet one they will be the ones treating you good. My gf got me that way;)

[GmuTeke]

Originally posted by Dejajeva
What i NEED is a hot frat boy, right gals??
-grins-

nah, thats not what you need. you need a fraternity MAN, who has grown and matured through the years, who isn't afraid to tell you how he feels, and when things aren't working out, isnt afraid to break it off in person (though he will break it off in a space free of heavy blunt objects, we didnt say he was a stupid fraternity man), and of course, a man who washes his hands every time he uses the restroom.

they are out there. honest.

[Dejajeva]

You taken?

hmmm.

-smiles-
I actually THOUGHT i had a real fraternity man. Scott's an Alum of Sig ep.

-sighs-

Oh well.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

So my party had an impromptu last Thursday, and I asked my man Monday night if he would go (I always know about these things in advance). He said yes, and that was the last time I ever heard from him. Just like that, stopped returning calls, etc.

At first, I was worried about him. I really thought something must have happened when I didn't hear from him. My fears were relieved, though, when a sister informed me that he hit on her in the bar Wednesday night. At least I knew he was still alive and kicking.

I went to the impromptu alone, and it ended up turning out pretty well for me. Lots of men had been invited, so it wasn't really a date function because some girl invited the entire TKE house. So as it happens, I met a pretty nice boy.

So I traded in a sketchy grad student for a quality fraternity man. Funny how those things work out.

[Dejajeva]

whoo hoo.
Ugh, seriously.

I'm gonna go nun.

Unless billy optimist works out.
-grins-

[aephi alum]

DGPhoney, I don't mind you saying that about my "evil ex" at all ;) He was worse than scum - but he's been out of my life for years, and if he knows what's good for him he'll stay out of my life :)

James, my school wasn't very big, and he and I were in the same dept, so we did cross paths in the halls from time to time... And a few months later, both he and I got invited to our mutual friend's wedding, and I took my new boyfriend... oh, the look on my ex's face every time I danced with the new BF. You know, like one of those Mastercard ads: "New dress, $100. Strappy sandals, $30. Manicure, $15. The look on the ex's face: Priceless." :D (Yes, I know... I'm mean... :) )

Dejajeva and zntke711, ironically enough, my "evil ex" was in 2 fraternities - a social one and a service one - and my husband is a GDI! Come to think of it, everyone I ever dated in college was in a fraternity, except for my husband. Ah well... funny how things work out, indeed :)

[Salience]

Originally posted by Dejajeva
whoo hoo.
Ugh, seriously.

I'm gonna go nun.

I feel you, really I do. I just had to tell my mom not to expect this sibling to walk down the aisle. She says I'm just going through that "almost 30" phase, but I'm thinking I won't get hitched. But you know what? You ARE young, on a campus full of men. Be glad you got rid of that baggage early in your life. I wasted almost two years with my college boyfriend. When all I had was Senior Year left to date, I was pissed at all the missed opportunities! ;)

My horror story:

Dating a then-first-year law student, long distance. Did the "starting not to call so much" thing, the "call her while I'm drunk over a woman's house" thing, all the while saying we're together. I buy a non-refundable plane ticket to meet him for a special weekend. 10 days before I'm supposed to go, he e-mails me he's not coming, and he needs to devote time to law school, "so let's just take it down to a friendship level." :mad: I replied that that so-and-so needed to cough up for my ticket which he insisted I get. Didn't hear from him for over 6 months. I got the "here's all your stuff" package in the mail.

The kicker? There was a pair of pants that weren't mine in the box.

[Dejajeva]

Omg.

Now I feel like a complete idiot b/c of the stuff Scott did to me! I had it easy compared to you guys!

I'm seriously going through withdrawl though. We get our bids monday and all this stuff, including last tuesday's events still fresh in my mind. It's so much all to deal with and I really miss my boyfriend.

-sighs-

I miss him a lot, Guys.

[Salience]

And you will for a while, and that's okay. Just don't mope too long!

[AlphaSigLana]

In June my boyfriend dumped me by email. I'm sure if you searched you could find it in the chit chat section. I have been hanging out with his brothers lately and they have treated me soooo nice. No one knew he dumped me by email. One of his brothers was going ot have a talk with him- he asked me why we broke up and I was like good question. I have found a new guy, but that is another long story. I decided I am no longer angry because my ex could have waited to break up with me when school started- which was already stressful, he could have waited until we dated a long time which would have sucked bc the longer you are together the more effort you put into a relationship. I decided I amthankful he dumped me when he did becuase it prevented me from wasting any of my time. Of course he could have done it in a more mature way, but maybe he was scared. One brother told me that he knew Kenny did not want to hurt me. So live and learn. I forgive my ex and i am happier because of it.

[Unregistered-]

While I do sympathize with you and I do agree, breaking up via email (and breaking up for that matter) does suck, I just find it interesting how you went from devastated one day to worked up about Billy the next day. :rolleyes:

[TigerGirl52]

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
While I do sympathize with you and I do agree, breaking up via email (and breaking up for that matter) does suck, I just find it interesting how you went from devastated one day to worked up about Billy the next day. :rolleyes:

It's funny if you read the posts over and over. Not too be rude because I love Billy but COME ON!!!!!!!!! But hey...whatever floats your boat.

Allison

[Dejajeva]

Okay, Teenieweeniewhiney person. The posts about billy were JOKES. It was a JOKE. JOKES... I live in Indiana and obviously my LAST long distance didn't work out.

I'm not really sure why this seems to bother you so damn much. I'm very upset and hurt, so I use laughter and fun and being with friends to help ease the pain. Like I'd really hook up with Billy. (not that billy isn't an AMAZING guy)

I mean, COME ON.

It was obviously for fun. I mean, our first date was on the academic forum. How serious can you take that?????

ME haplessly flirting with a guy I've never seen or met on GC should be the least of your problems.

Please lighten up.

Jess

[DeltaBetaBaby]

I just got home from my chapter's barndance. We had a very, very fun time (at least I did, and I hope my date wasn't lying to me when he said he did too), and I am going to see him again very soon. So right now, the male species is on my good side.

I would type more, but I am noticing the burnt marshmallows that are still making my hands sticky, so I better go wash up.

[pbpck]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GmuTeke
[B]Dejaveva,

I'm sorry, that was just a terrible way to break up with someone (the only thing worse that i could think of would be to break up with someone over instant messenger). ]


Yeah....the instant messenger thing...juuust happened to me. How tacky.

[pbpck]

Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby
I just got home from my chapter's barndance. As I explained in the post above, I met a very nice boy at the impromptu for which I was stood up, and I took him tonight. We had a very, very fun time (at least I did, and I hope he wasn't lying to me when he said he did too), and I am going to see him again very soon. Plus, right now, it is very trendy to date TKE's. So I guess I was pretty lucky that the other guy ditched me when he did, so I didn't waste any more time on him.

I would type more, but I am noticing the burnt marshmallows that are still making my hands sticky, so I better go wash up.

Did I misread your post or did you say that dating TKE's was "trendy"? Wow. Wow. That's all I can say. I didn't know that men were accesories. Well...at least not for dating. That seems a bit shallow, does it not?

Nonetheless, good luck with this new boy. Hopefully you will find something more substantially appealing than his letters.

[Dejajeva]

Wow.

Everyone's like seriously uptight tonight.

[Tibi]

Originally posted by Dejajeva
Wow.

Everyone's like seriously uptight tonight.

Seriously! I mean, ohteeniewahine, I'm sure Billy has enough love to go around....Anyways, I'd think if they really were planning something, they wouldn't be using public forums!

[GmuTeke]

Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby
Plus, right now, it is very trendy to date TKE's.

Wow! good to hear that! Give my brothers up there my best. Maybe you need to be in contact with the ladies down in my neck of the woods :p

[Lil_G]

Originally posted by Tibi


Seriously! I mean, ohteeniewahine, I'm sure Billy has enough love to go around....Anyways, I'd think if they really were planning something, they wouldn't be using public forums!

Hahahaha you obviously haven't been around this place that long, you'd be surprised at some of the craziness of that's gone on here.

[Unregistered-]

First of all, it's OOHTEENYWAHINE...OTW. Get it right, or don't even bother writing it at all.

You're relatively new to GC, so YOU DON'T KNOW what happened here last year. In fact, you (and another GC user who shall remain nameless) really remind me of the nutcases who used to frequent our boards last year. GCers have every right to be uptight especially when they notice suspicious behavior!

So, if your intentions were meant as a joke, I apologize. I do understand how it feels like to be dumped....but to want so much attention (LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME! I'VE JUST BEEN DUMPED....and then later 'PM ME SEXY') I'm sorry, that merits some eye rolling IMHO. You don't have to agree with me and I really don't give at rat's azz if you don't...but don't resort to name calling. It's very childish and very immature.

If you wish to discuss this further, my email's in the profile.

[carnation]

Right on, OTW!!! Way to go!!! Say it, sister! :) :) :) :) :)

[Miami1839]

Well Said Sandy :)

Kevin

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally posted by pbpck


Did I misread your post or did you say that dating TKE's was "trendy"? Wow. Wow. That's all I can say. I didn't know that men were accesories. Well...at least not for dating. That seems a bit shallow, does it not?

Nonetheless, good luck with this new boy. Hopefully you will find something more substantially appealing than his letters.

I'm sorry, that totally came out wrong. It just happens that a lot of my friends are dating a lot of his friends right now, which is really cool because we all have a lot of fun. They are a really great group of guys, no matter what their "status" is.

[Dejajeva]

-rolls her eyes-

I find it rude that you like to insult people here, in public.

[carnation]

Ummm, like you didn't insult her first? I smell SH80.:mad: :mad:

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby
Plus, right now, it is very trendy to date TKE's. So I guess I was pretty lucky that the other guy ditched me when he did, so I didn't waste any more time on him.


I find it hard to believe that anyone would actually have a hard time believing that certain fraternities are "trendier" than other ones. When I was in college (long before the days of Kate Spade bags or Tiffany heart bracelets), the sorority girl's ultimate accessory was a FIJI. They were hot, they were loaded and everyone was dying to get asked to their big "FIJI Island" weekend every spring. Hey, I didn't make the rules, I'm just reporting on 'em :D

Now, I know we've all been under stress lately. But some people need to remove those sticks and play nice!

[TigerGirl52]

OTW...Thank you for saying what I was thinking!!! We can always count on you to get the point across.

P.S.--Carnation...I love that last post!!!!

Allison

[Tibi]

EXCUSE ME! OOHTEENIEWAHINE, God forbid I should spell your name wrong! By the way, ever hear of reading and not posting? I've been around for about 2 and a half years, I was not Greek and did not feel comfortable posting yet. As for the SHSU situation, thank you for comparing me to a nutcase. I think this thread is out of hand.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose


I find it hard to believe that anyone would actually have a hard time believing that certain fraternities are "trendier" than other ones. When I was in college (long before the days of Kate Spade bags or Tiffany heart bracelets), the sorority girl's ultimate accessory was a FIJI. They were hot, they were loaded and everyone was dying to get asked to their big "FIJI Island" weekend every spring. Hey, I didn't make the rules, I'm just reporting on 'em :D

Now, I know we've all been under stress lately. But some people need to remove those sticks and play nice!

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I corrected myself in a later post. As I said, it came out wrong. It has nothing to do with "accesorizing," it is just really fun when a whole bunch of my sisters are all dating guys who are friends.

[ZTAngel]

I usually don't get involved in this kind of stuff but.......
WHOA!!!!!!!!!! Comparing someone to the nutcase who was on here a year ago just because they spelled a name wrong?! Everyone needs to chill out. None of these people even come remotely close to what happened on here last year!!!
<stepping off the soap box>

[Thrillhouse]

Wow this thread has gotten way off of topic.

[pbpck]

Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby


I'm sorry, that totally came out wrong. It just happens that a lot of my friends are dating a lot of his friends right now, which is really cool because we all have a lot of fun. They are a really great group of guys, no matter what their "status" is.

No prob, girl. I totally understand how things can come out wrong. I just didnt want you to get sucked into the "dating for letters" scene. It gets ridiculous and the drama and gossip is insane. Go for a guy that you truly enjoy. And good luck....dating any guy is a challenge. Didn't mean to get on your case.

[Unregistered-]

Originally posted by ZTAngel
I usually don't get involved in this kind of stuff but.......
WHOA!!!!!!!!!! Comparing someone to the nutcase who was on here a year ago just because they spelled a name wrong?! Everyone needs to chill out. None of these people even come remotely close to what happened on here last year!!!
<stepping off the soap box>

ZTAngel, you're funny. No really, you are.

Read the posts in the moderator forum and you'll see why some of us feel this way. Suprisingly, there are lots of GCers who feel the same way...and when someone actually says something about it she gets bitched at. Come on, folx.

Jess I'm sorry if you feel like I've insulted you. But...next time, as one fine GCer once said (I can't remember her name)...."if ya can't stand the heat...get out of the damn kitchen."

[AlphaSigLana]

All I want to say is that I thought this issue was about being dumped and the sucky ways it happens. Let's all chill and let's make an effort to no longer continue this post if people are going to get upset with what others write.

[IowaHawkeye]

BuCutie or ZetaAce -
I'm calling for this thread to be closed. It has turned into nothing but a bickering match back and forth with accusations flying every which way - besides the fact that it is COMPLETELY off topic. Thanks.
Nicole

[Thrillhouse]

I second that notion.

[Dejajeva]

Okay.
I apologize for the fact that I'm sure I've been rather rude to OTW. I don't like the fact that she jumps to conclusions, as do others, one-because I've only been here a short time? and two- because she doesn't like the fact that I flirt with people for some reason..

This post had interesting replies...I thought it was a great way to have people bitch about silly boys. That's why it's in the chit-chat forum. I wasn't begging for attention. I hardly need to. I was complaining about the shitty way the man I thought I was in love with, let me go. Billy happened to be a nice funny situation that made me feel a little better.

I'm sorry for my harsh words, but let me get one fact straight.

I can stand the heat just as well as you can and I'm sure as hell not going anywhere anytime soon.

:)

Let's all just lighten up and take this post for the fun it was meant to be.


All of you.

I third the motion to close it, btw.

Jessica

[Dejajeva]

What the hell happened last year???????

I'm dying to know.

[Tom Earp]

What is this S---?
This is one of if not the best site for Greeks. Sure you can read some of my old posts, I dont type well I typo great!

We have enuff fight on our hands with non Greeks. I for one like to see the interaction good or bad, it helps to vent to friends and I hope I am one! We need to stay some line of sanity while the world goes nuts.

Cogito Ergo Sum, I Think Therefore I Am.

No matter Where You Go There You Are!

I do not agree with all things said and if so feel inclined I jump in and speak my peace! After all I am related to several hard asses or know them!

We are all in a very trying time for our country and way of life or is this anything new to We Greeks!!!???

By the way what were you doing when the GC Site was down?

Ah YES, going as nuts as I was!

[33girl]

Re DBBaby's "trendy TKE" comment, I know what she means...the year after I graduated, I came back to visit and half my sisters were dating Delta Chis. Very nice guys but none of us had ever looked at any of them before, so I was kind of like "what's up with this?" I think one sister starts dating a bro, sees that they are nice, then she tells 2 friends and so on and so on.

To play devil's advocate and give an example of bad behavior from the female gender: my friend Ron, who is absolutely the nicest guy in the world, dated a woman for a YEAR (and put down payments on a house for the 2 of them) before the b@#$* told him....she was married. If I ever run into this chickie-babe, she's getting stuffed in the nearest drainpipe, head first.

[ZTAngel]

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine


ZTAngel, you're funny. No really, you are."

No, you're funny. I've read the comments in the moderator forum and I've voiced my opinion that I do feel the same way. But, what happens in the moderator forum should stay there. Let the moderators of this forum handle any troublemakers. The problem is that if someone voices an opinion other than yours than they end up getting "bitched at" or insulted for all to see. And I am positive that there are plenty others who agree. If you have any comments for me after reading this, I prefer you send me an e-mail instead letting this thing get carried away more than it has. Thank you.

[ZetaAce]

Can we act like adults? Please!?!?

Well, since this post is way off topic and has resorted to flaming, it's now closed! Any questions? Email me.

ZetaAce